Foster, Robertson etc

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@stodders said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@MajorRage said in Foster must go:

Their players are not necessarily better. But by god their team is.

They also have a fantastic culture and leadership group

NZ led the way on this. Others followed. Then improved on it.

Time for NZRU to take some lessons from others and build again.

Before we had a player run team we had headmaster Ted dictating things. The player leadership group from 2011 to 2015 was chock full of GOATs. The current lot are a shadow of those guys and a firmer hand is required

And even with a team full of GOATs, they went out and played a clear game plan rather than just leaving it to talented individuals under Ted and Hansen. Giving players a clear role allows them to develop the skills for that role rather than making something up each week..

How many times has Fosters team lost and there have been calls for the AB's to have a "Plan B" to break down the opposition? We don't even have a "Plan A".

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

Would meet the (understandable) NZR requirement of continuity while being a pretty fresh broom with a proven track record at Test level.

Before 2007 we had a slash and burn mentality. Continuity was the right decision then. But this isn't 2007, the GH/Shag coaching tree has outlived its time. Burn it all down

He'd give NZR the continuity figleaf. Need to pick his own assistants for sure and be give a pretty free hand.

@Tim said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew Do you think he wants to be a head coach? He'd be my pick if he does.

I haven't a clue. But who wouldn't want to coach the All Blacks and not just be a mentor? Persuade him to take over until RWC2023 for starters

He'd be a safe pair of hands and then be able hand over to Rennie, Jesus, Joseph or another assistant.

We all know Foster is staying as HC to after the WC,NZR are not going to admit their big mistake of reappointing Foster after the NH tour.

@Chris
Exactly: "Foster must go, except my behaviour will not change if stays".

@Chris said in Foster must go:

We all know Foster is staying as HC to after the WC,NZR are not going to admit their big mistake of reappointing Foster after the NH tour.

Yep, we'll probably have to wait until the Quarter Final exit before anyone in the NZRU admits making a mistake.

@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:

@Chris said in Foster must go:

We all know Foster is staying as HC to after the WC,NZR are not going to admit their big mistake of reappointing Foster after the NH tour.

Yep, we'll probably have to wait until the Quarter Final exit before anyone in the NZRU admits making a mistake.

There is going to be a lot of pain.

I blame Jordies haircut most of all

@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:

@Chris said in Foster must go:

We all know Foster is staying as HC to after the WC,NZR are not going to admit their big mistake of reappointing Foster after the NH tour.

Yep, we'll probably have to wait until the Quarter Final exit before anyone in the NZRU admits making a mistake.

No admission. Just thanks to Fozz for dedicated service. What a dumpster fire

@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:

@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:

@Duluth said in Foster must go:

The realistic option is Schmidt

He starts his AB contract right now. So no other logistics needed.

Does he want a head coach role though?

@Duluth I know you can't answer that but I'm not convinced he wants a head coach role, so we are either stuck with Foster or we go to Razor with Schmidt taking the reigns short term. I'd love for Schimidt to take over for what it's worth.

reins
Sorry - but I've noticed it a couple of times now...
(Edit: to be fair, you could nearly go with reign - without the s)

@canefan
They have the best of both worlds, treat the ABs purely as a business enterprise except your biggest customers will keep buying the product no matter how shite it gets. I support a boycott except I know it won't happen and half of you will think I am being melodramatic or disloyal. What's the point in supporting something if the fans have zero input?

@Kruse said in Foster must go:

@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:

@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:

@Duluth said in Foster must go:

The realistic option is Schmidt

He starts his AB contract right now. So no other logistics needed.

Does he want a head coach role though?

@Duluth I know you can't answer that but I'm not convinced he wants a head coach role, so we are either stuck with Foster or we go to Razor with Schmidt taking the reigns short term. I'd love for Schimidt to take over for what it's worth.

reins
Sorry - but I've noticed it a couple of times now...

When I've been drinking most of what I type on my phone is the thing that predicts the word I'm gonna type below the keyboard so if it looks roughly right I hit the word and move on

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

Would meet the (understandable) NZR requirement of continuity while being a pretty fresh broom with a proven track record at Test level.

Before 2007 we had a slash and burn mentality. Continuity was the right decision then. But this isn't 2007, the GH/Shag coaching tree has outlived its time. Burn it all down

Foster was the only part of the GH/Shag coaching tree that still existed at the end of 2019 as far as I can see. Arguably the tree is sprouting again with Cron coming back in as a mentor.

But its less about the tree and more about cutting off the dead wood. At the end of 2019 the old wood sprouted legs and walked away leaving the NZRFU with the dead wood. Which they planted and have reaped the fruit of their decision.

@Chris said in Foster must go:

We all know Foster is staying as HC to after the WC,NZR are not going to admit their big mistake of reappointing Foster after the NH tour.

I think if we lose the two tests in SA, which is highly likely, nothing will change. However a loss of the bled might be enough, as that would mean losing both to Oz including Eden park. I think if we keep the bled we're stuck with fidget until RWC, even if he loses every test in the lead up until then

@MN5 that was the only good thing to.cpmw.out of the test.

@Machpants said in Foster must go:

@Chris said in Foster must go:

We all know Foster is staying as HC to after the WC,NZR are not going to admit their big mistake of reappointing Foster after the NH tour.

I think if we lose the two tests in SA, which is highly likely, nothing will change. However a loss of the bled might be enough, as that would mean losing both to Oz including Eden park. I think if we keep the bled we're stuck with fidget until RWC, even if he loses every test in the lead up until then

Fucking depressing.

@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:

@Kruse said in Foster must go:

@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:

@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:

@Duluth said in Foster must go:

The realistic option is Schmidt

He starts his AB contract right now. So no other logistics needed.

Does he want a head coach role though?

@Duluth I know you can't answer that but I'm not convinced he wants a head coach role, so we are either stuck with Foster or we go to Razor with Schmidt taking the reigns short term. I'd love for Schimidt to take over for what it's worth.

reins
Sorry - but I've noticed it a couple of times now...

When I've been drinking most of what I type on my phone is the thing that predicts the word I'm gonna type below the keyboard so if it looks roughly right I hit the word and move on

Fair enough. When I've been drinking, I get sensitive about the English language and the fucking DIS-RISPUKT shown by goddamn imbeciles and so-called "smart keyboards"/"auto-checkers".
If I ever end up working in Silicon-Valley, and meet some fluffy-bunny who works for "Grammarly" - I'll be cutting a fluffybunny.

So it's been brought up on the roar, there's a presser tomorrow 9 am, is that standard? I think it is but please tell me it's not

@Machpants said in Foster must go:

So it's been brought up on the roar, there's a presser tomorrow 9 am, is that standard? I think it is but please tell me it's not

Will we lose to SA? I mean they just lost to Wales at home so it sounds like they aren't exactly hot shit this year, not that I've watched. And if we win that's more than enough for NZR to claim we are "building towards the RWC", which is so offensive as an AB fan when we are giving up 100+ year records.

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Tim said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew Do you think he wants to be a head coach? He'd be my pick if he does.

I haven't a clue. But who wouldn't want to coach the All Blacks and not just be a mentor? Persuade him to take over until RWC2023 for starters

He'd be a safe pair of hands and then be able hand over to Rennie, Jesus, Joseph or another assistant.

Like the thought of Jesus being an assistant

I wonder if losing the Bledisloe will be enough to move the mediocre Mark Robinson in to action, or will it have to be the Quarter Final exit in the end...

@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:

Will we lose to SA? I mean they just lost to Wales at home so it sounds like they aren't exactly hot shit this year, not that I've watched. And if we win that's more than enough for NZR to claim we are "building towards the RWC", which is so offensive as an AB fan when we are giving up 100+ year records.

Of course we will, it was a total b team that lost by a point

@BartMan said in Foster must go:

@MN5 that was the only good thing to.cpmw.out of the test.

The fact this result brings @BartMan out if hibernation says it all.

Who next, @Red-Beard ? Any others ?

@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:

Will we lose to SA? I mean they just lost to Wales at home so it sounds like they aren't exactly hot shit this year, not that I've watched. And if we win that's more than enough for NZR to claim we are "building towards the RWC", which is so offensive as an AB fan when we are giving up 100+ year records.

Foster would give a bollock for a test win right now

@Jailbreak7
According to some posters, he should be happy to be Fosters assistant and if he doesn't accept being an assistant then he doesn't deserve the top spot.

@MN5 said in Foster must go:

Who next, @Red-Beard ? Any others ?

He seems happily ensconced on Twitter these days.

Great to see @BartMan back - now he just needs to stay logged in

@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:

@MN5 said in Foster must go:

Who next, @Red-Beard ? Any others ?

He seems happily ensconced on Twitter these days.

Great to see @BartMan back - now he just needs to stay logged in

A @Bartman appearance is as rare as a good AB performance these day...

@Jailbreak7 said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Tim said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew Do you think he wants to be a head coach? He'd be my pick if he does.

I haven't a clue. But who wouldn't want to coach the All Blacks and not just be a mentor? Persuade him to take over until RWC2023 for starters

He'd be a safe pair of hands and then be able hand over to Rennie, Jesus, Joseph or another assistant.

Like the thought of Jesus being an assistant

Jesus?

I pray we lose to SA and the Bled. Because the small sliver of hope is that it's enough to dump foster and go into the RWC with some optimism (justified or not).

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@Jailbreak7 said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Tim said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew Do you think he wants to be a head coach? He'd be my pick if he does.

I haven't a clue. But who wouldn't want to coach the All Blacks and not just be a mentor? Persuade him to take over until RWC2023 for starters

He'd be a safe pair of hands and then be able hand over to Rennie, Jesus, Joseph or another assistant.

Like the thought of Jesus being an assistant

Jesus?

Jesus Crobinson. He's a saviour according to some.

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@Jailbreak7 said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Tim said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew Do you think he wants to be a head coach? He'd be my pick if he does.

I haven't a clue. But who wouldn't want to coach the All Blacks and not just be a mentor? Persuade him to take over until RWC2023 for starters

He'd be a safe pair of hands and then be able hand over to Rennie, Jesus, Joseph or another assistant.

Like the thought of Jesus being an assistant

Jesus?

Jesus Crobinson.

Thought so. I wouldn't want to be Fozz's assistant either. What does he have to gain, how much of himself can he tangibly give to the team without being the HC? Fozz is beyond redemption and Scott is the winningest coach in Super Rugby. I'm no Razor fanboy. But he needs to be given full control

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@Jailbreak7 said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Tim said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew Do you think he wants to be a head coach? He'd be my pick if he does.

I haven't a clue. But who wouldn't want to coach the All Blacks and not just be a mentor? Persuade him to take over until RWC2023 for starters

He'd be a safe pair of hands and then be able hand over to Rennie, Jesus, Joseph or another assistant.

Like the thought of Jesus being an assistant

Jesus?

Jesus Crobinson. He's a saviour according to some.

What the CEO Robinson ?

@Jailbreak7 He'd have the best water bottles.

@BartMan Smith did exceptionally well as a head coach at Super rugby level

@Tim Schmidt and MacDonald

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

Is this just a thread to vent? It’s a copy of every thread for the past year

You must have mistaken this for the 'Above it All' thread.

@Stag said in Foster must go:

@Tim Schmidt and MacDonald

MacDonald was awesome outcoaching Razor in the SR final. Oh wait....

@Stag was meaning at AB level he was not flash. He got 2 titles at the Chiefs in the background too, along with the 2 as head of the Crusaders, his only real head coaching success?

@PecoTrain yes, maybe one nepotism appointment, after WINNING a RWC is acceptable. But after losing the semi,.it should have been a new broom sweeping clean. It wasn't, and we're now here, lowest point in AB rugby ever.