All Blacks 2023

@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

I think the main thing of interest in that article is that Barrett will play 12 in Super Rugby this year.

Surprised to read he only played 6 games at 12 last year and 11 times in his whole career - compared to 87 at Fullback and that Holland only thinks it "likely" he will play at 12. I thought the Canes & Holland saw him as a natural 12 and it was the AB being over-cautious.

Be interesting to see how Rueben Love goes this year and if he can stake an AB claim post-RWC2023.

@mariner4life Retallick used to perform that role pretty well, as did Taylor/Coles when they had form - which does bring to light one "shortcoming" of Taukeiaho.

Blackadder could be that guy, but to me he's a 7, could maybe have him at 6 if we've got a bruiser at 8.

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

Be interesting to see how Rueben Love goes this year and if he can stake an AB claim post-RWC2023

Why just Love? I don't get the attention this guy gets.

@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

Be interesting to see how Rueben Love goes this year and if he can stake an AB claim post-RWC2023

Why just Love? I don't get the attention this guy gets.

Simpy as he's a contender for an AB slot and the article was mainly about him & JB.

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

Be interesting to see how Rueben Love goes this year and if he can stake an AB claim post-RWC2023

Why just Love? I don't get the attention this guy gets.

Simpy as he's a contender for an AB slot and the article was mainly about him & JB.

I was just trying to get you to say you read an article. Enjoy your ban.

Lomax has certainly come on in leaps and bounds over the last year - https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/just-backing-myself-lomax-s-journey-from-all-blacks-snub-to-scrum-star/ar-AA184nnu?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=de73820cc30d496193fc90582fadcb68&ei=9

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:

Lomax has certainly come on in leaps and bounds over the last year - https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/just-backing-myself-lomax-s-journey-from-all-blacks-snub-to-scrum-star/ar-AA184nnu?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=de73820cc30d496193fc90582fadcb68&ei=9

Holland's coaching?

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2023:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:

Lomax has certainly come on in leaps and bounds over the last year - https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/just-backing-myself-lomax-s-journey-from-all-blacks-snub-to-scrum-star/ar-AA184nnu?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=de73820cc30d496193fc90582fadcb68&ei=9

Holland's coaching?

Yeah, all down to the scrummaging maestro that is Holland.

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2023:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:

Lomax has certainly come on in leaps and bounds over the last year - https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/just-backing-myself-lomax-s-journey-from-all-blacks-snub-to-scrum-star/ar-AA184nnu?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=de73820cc30d496193fc90582fadcb68&ei=9

Holland's coaching?

Yeah, all down to the scrummaging maestro that is Holland.

I think @Crazy-Horse was having a dig that Lomax doesn't mention Holland but rattles of a bunch of others that have helped him.
To be fair Holland employed Whopper to do that job.

This Super season is not preparing us well for a world cup. It's great to watch, but the pace is way higher than the knockout stages will be, and I fear the physicality wont' be as high.

Seems crazy to play for most of the year with one set of laws, and then go into a different interpretation for the most critical stage of the 4 year cycle. Reminds me a bit of ELV years; we played low impact rugby all Super, and then ran into a good physical French side in Dunedin played under a slower, more grinding style. We lost, it sucked. I fear we could see something similar this year.

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:

This Super season is not preparing us well for a world cup. It's great to watch, but the pace is way higher than the knockout stages will be, and I fear the physicality wont' be as high.

Seems crazy to play for most of the year with one set of laws, and then go into a different interpretation for the most critical stage of the 4 year cycle. Reminds me a bit of ELV years; we played low impact rugby all Super, and then ran into a good physical French side in Dunedin played under a slower, more grinding style. We lost, it sucked. I fear we could see something similar this year.

Is that the case though? 6N is also being played at speed. Are these things all being ditched in the RWC?

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:

Is that the case though? 6N is also being played at speed.

Good question, don't know the answer. I thought there were a bunch of trial laws in play just in Super - and the games look a damns ight faster than last year (based on the 1 1/2 games I've seen).

What law changes are being modified?

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:

This Super season is not preparing us well for a world cup. It's great to watch, but the pace is way higher than the knockout stages will be, and I fear the physicality wont' be as high.

Seems crazy to play for most of the year with one set of laws, and then go into a different interpretation for the most critical stage of the 4 year cycle. Reminds me a bit of ELV years; we played low impact rugby all Super, and then ran into a good physical French side in Dunedin played under a slower, more grinding style. We lost, it sucked. I fear we could see something similar this year.

im afraid of that too, blues were much better than the highlanders....but they still scored a lot for broken play and from range, they kicked after only a few phases...we still dont see NZ teams making steady progress, long periods of possession and territory

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:

Is that the case though? 6N is also being played at speed.

Good question, don't know the answer. I thought there were a bunch of trial laws in play just in Super - and the games look a damns ight faster than last year (based on the 1 1/2 games I've seen).

What law changes are being modified?

Being applied is more the case.
No time wasting has always been a law. The interpretation of time wasting has drifted over time as no ref wants to be seen as pedantic. They have been given the backing to speed things up and enforce the prescribed time limits (kicking)
The SR different ones are around instructions to the TMO and the application of Red Cards. The infringing player leaves the field under a yellow and while play continues the off field officials look to see if it gets graded as a Red. That only happens rarely anyway so the keys to the worldwide game are the interpretation of time wasting and set piece restarts plus the TMO instructions to rule on clear and obvious as quickly as possible.
Set piece restarts is probably the biggest contributing factor I would say.

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2023:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:

Lomax has certainly come on in leaps and bounds over the last year - https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/just-backing-myself-lomax-s-journey-from-all-blacks-snub-to-scrum-star/ar-AA184nnu?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=de73820cc30d496193fc90582fadcb68&ei=9

Holland's coaching?

Yeah, all down to the scrummaging maestro that is Holland.

I think @Crazy-Horse was having a dig that Lomax doesn't mention Holland but rattles of a bunch of others that have helped him.
To be fair Holland employed Whopper to do that job.

Probably because Holland hasn't, what would he know about the dark arts haha.

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2023:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:

Lomax has certainly come on in leaps and bounds over the last year - https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/just-backing-myself-lomax-s-journey-from-all-blacks-snub-to-scrum-star/ar-AA184nnu?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=de73820cc30d496193fc90582fadcb68&ei=9

Holland's coaching?

Yeah, all down to the scrummaging maestro that is Holland.

I think @Crazy-Horse was having a dig that Lomax doesn't mention Holland but rattles of a bunch of others that have helped him.
To be fair Holland employed Whopper to do that job.

Probably because Holland hasn't, what would he know about the dark arts haha.

I'd guess getting shorter locks to jump higher than taller ones would be a dark art? Oh.

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:

This Super season is not preparing us well for a world cup. It's great to watch, but the pace is way higher than the knockout stages will be, and I fear the physicality wont' be as high.

Seems crazy to play for most of the year with one set of laws, and then go into a different interpretation for the most critical stage of the 4 year cycle. Reminds me a bit of ELV years; we played low impact rugby all Super, and then ran into a good physical French side in Dunedin played under a slower, more grinding style. We lost, it sucked. I fear we could see something similar this year.

Is that the case though? 6N is also being played at speed. Are these things all being ditched in the RWC?

I thought I read when the Laws for the 6N were announced,It was also said The RWC would be played under the old Laws for 2023.
Maybe due too short a time frame for international teams to adapt.

@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:

This Super season is not preparing us well for a world cup. It's great to watch, but the pace is way higher than the knockout stages will be, and I fear the physicality wont' be as high.

Seems crazy to play for most of the year with one set of laws, and then go into a different interpretation for the most critical stage of the 4 year cycle. Reminds me a bit of ELV years; we played low impact rugby all Super, and then ran into a good physical French side in Dunedin played under a slower, more grinding style. We lost, it sucked. I fear we could see something similar this year.

Is that the case though? 6N is also being played at speed. Are these things all being ditched in the RWC?

I thought I read when the Laws for the 6N were announced,It was also said The RWC would be played under the old Laws for 2023.
Maybe due too short a time frame for international teams to adapt.

Remember the URL?

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:

This Super season is not preparing us well for a world cup. It's great to watch, but the pace is way higher than the knockout stages will be, and I fear the physicality wont' be as high.

Seems crazy to play for most of the year with one set of laws, and then go into a different interpretation for the most critical stage of the 4 year cycle. Reminds me a bit of ELV years; we played low impact rugby all Super, and then ran into a good physical French side in Dunedin played under a slower, more grinding style. We lost, it sucked. I fear we could see something similar this year.

Is that the case though? 6N is also being played at speed. Are these things all being ditched in the RWC?

I thought I read when the Laws for the 6N were announced,It was also said The RWC would be played under the old Laws for 2023.
Maybe due too short a time frame for international teams to adapt.

Remember the URL?

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No not those laws.The Laws introduced in January 2023 to speed up the 6 nations and then introduced into SR.
The shot clock
90 seconds to form scrums etc

And I cant be fucked looking it up.

@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:

The Laws introduced in January 2023 to speed up the 6 nations and then introduced into SR.

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:

The Laws introduced in January 2023 to speed up the 6 nations and then introduced into SR.

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Thanks for that but that article didn't mention the WC.
Maybe I dreamed it,But I am sure I read an article saying these Laws would not be used in 2023 WC.

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:

This Super season is not preparing us well for a world cup. It's great to watch, but the pace is way higher than the knockout stages will be, and I fear the physicality wont' be as high.

Seems crazy to play for most of the year with one set of laws, and then go into a different interpretation for the most critical stage of the 4 year cycle. Reminds me a bit of ELV years; we played low impact rugby all Super, and then ran into a good physical French side in Dunedin played under a slower, more grinding style. We lost, it sucked. I fear we could see something similar this year.

Is that the case though? 6N is also being played at speed. Are these things all being ditched in the RWC?

The stats back this up too.

The Crusaders-Chiefs game topped the Round 1 fixtures with a ball-in-play time of 38.15. The Ireland-France clash in week 2 of the tournament recorded an astonishing 46:12 minutes of ball in play time.

Laws aren't changed in a RWC year. All laws applied during the RWC were already introduced in 2022 at the latest.

Don't confuse law changes with changes in law application guidelines, which is - @Crucial already said as much - what the attempts to speed up the game are.

The changes to how red cards are handed out in SRP is a law trial.

Been impressed with the 6n so far. Seems really high pace rugby.

@Darren said in All Blacks 2023:

Been impressed with the 6n so far. Seems really high pace rugby.

Yeah, the suckers are falling into our trap, it's like when the 1991 Wallabies convinced England to play running rugby in the final. We've convinced them to play our style in a RWC year.

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:

This Super season is not preparing us well for a world cup. It's great to watch, but the pace is way higher than the knockout stages will be, and I fear the physicality wont' be as high.

Seems crazy to play for most of the year with one set of laws, and then go into a different interpretation for the most critical stage of the 4 year cycle. Reminds me a bit of ELV years; we played low impact rugby all Super, and then ran into a good physical French side in Dunedin played under a slower, more grinding style. We lost, it sucked. I fear we could see something similar this year.

Yeah I'm not convinced, there was a lot of brutal physicality in the games I watched.

@Darren said in All Blacks 2023:

Been impressed with the 6n so far. Seems really high pace rugby.

With the notable exceptions of the games where England and Wales were involved.

@gt12 said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

How in the fuck do we need video refs if we are going to have absolute howlers still go missing. Get rid of them.

Beauden Barrett should not be near an AB 10 Jersey. The older he gets, the worse he gets.

Just signed a long term contract with the ABs to "close out" his career in NZ.

@Frank said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@gt12 said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

How in the fuck do we need video refs if we are going to have absolute howlers still go missing. Get rid of them.

Beauden Barrett should not be near an AB 10 Jersey. The older he gets, the worse he gets.

Just signed a long term contract with the ABs to "close out" his career in NZ

One of my favourite ever allblacks.

Never been the same since he moved to Japan and/or got married.

@gt12 said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

How in the fuck do we need video refs if we are going to have absolute howlers still go missing. Get rid of them.

Beauden Barrett should not be near an AB 10 Jersey. The older he gets, the worse he gets.

The problem is, himself and Mo'unga are both shite at 10 at international level.

DMAC looks the most measured which is something I never thought id say.

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Frank said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@gt12 said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

How in the fuck do we need video refs if we are going to have absolute howlers still go missing. Get rid of them.

Beauden Barrett should not be near an AB 10 Jersey. The older he gets, the worse he gets.

Just signed a long term contract with the ABs to "close out" his career in NZ

One of my favourite ever allblacks.

Never been the same since he moved to Japan and/or got married.

He looks gun shy.

His drop off in try scoring is unfathomable.

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Frank said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@gt12 said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

How in the fuck do we need video refs if we are going to have absolute howlers still go missing. Get rid of them.

Beauden Barrett should not be near an AB 10 Jersey. The older he gets, the worse he gets.

Just signed a long term contract with the ABs to "close out" his career in NZ

One of my favourite ever allblacks.

Never been the same since he moved to Japan and/or got married.

He looks gun shy.

His drop off in try scoring is unfathomable.

Those concussions may have rocked his confidence to go into contact.

@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Frank said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@gt12 said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

How in the fuck do we need video refs if we are going to have absolute howlers still go missing. Get rid of them.

Beauden Barrett should not be near an AB 10 Jersey. The older he gets, the worse he gets.

Just signed a long term contract with the ABs to "close out" his career in NZ

One of my favourite ever allblacks.

Never been the same since he moved to Japan and/or got married.

He looks gun shy.

His drop off in try scoring is unfathomable.

Those concussions may have rocked his confidence to go into contact.

Even his try in the Irish series was a ricochet off a few legs from a yard out that nutmegged a defender.

He has offered nothing in ball in hand that a Stevenson, DMAC , Will Jordan wouldn't offer from fullback.

Fly half (reluctantly) or not on the pitch for mine....

@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Frank said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@gt12 said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

How in the fuck do we need video refs if we are going to have absolute howlers still go missing. Get rid of them.

Beauden Barrett should not be near an AB 10 Jersey. The older he gets, the worse he gets.

Just signed a long term contract with the ABs to "close out" his career in NZ

One of my favourite ever allblacks.

Never been the same since he moved to Japan and/or got married.

He looks gun shy.

His drop off in try scoring is unfathomable.

Those concussions may have rocked his confidence to go into contact.

Maybe so. Im so disappointed with him. I don't even notice him on the pitch any more at club or country level.

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Frank said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@gt12 said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

How in the fuck do we need video refs if we are going to have absolute howlers still go missing. Get rid of them.

Beauden Barrett should not be near an AB 10 Jersey. The older he gets, the worse he gets.

Just signed a long term contract with the ABs to "close out" his career in NZ

One of my favourite ever allblacks.

Never been the same since he moved to Japan and/or got married.

He looks gun shy.

His drop off in try scoring is unfathomable.

Those concussions may have rocked his confidence to go into contact.

Maybe so. Im so disappointed with him. I don't even notice him on the pitch any more at club or country level.

Yep shadow of his former self,I would not pick him in the AB's at all now.

@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.

I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.

Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.

Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.

I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.

Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.

Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.

Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.

I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.

Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.

Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.

Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.

D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.

@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.

I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.

Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.

Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.

Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.

D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.

Finn Russell gets plenty of welly (today included) as being a flat track show pony.

Our 3 are no better at the moment.

Sexton is black and blue every week and comes out the next week and backs it up.

Our lads are cheque cashers between sabbaticals. Their Allblack careers are like sabbaticals within sabbaticals.

Ive never known a time like it to have no affinity with an allblack fly half.

The posiiton has been deified for so long.

We have one lad just back from Japan and the other 2 are on their way there.

And before anyone gives me the "but Carter".......DC earned it.

@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.

I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.

Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.

Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.

Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.

D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.

Perhaps if the Blues played their best 10 at 10 in Perofeta the ABs might have another option.

I'm more worried about how DMac goes in big Super games - being hot and cold vs Highlanders means little.