EPL 2022 / 2023

@KiwiPie said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@bayimports said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@Hooroo said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@KiwiMurph said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

I don't understand the hate towards Wrexham. Having rich owners is how you succeed in modern football.

I’ve only seen the love for what’s going on.

Great series but I wish they would do a more up to date version than waiting until end of season. It’s addictive as smack

I struggle to find hate too its a great story of which Notts have also played a great part, if "bloody Wrexham" is hate then I don't think @KiwiMurph hasn't read through the thread and the context of KP's team. Unless it was something else..

F*ck Arsenal on the other hand...kidding how's those nerves @Hooroo?, at least you're battling for top of table, Im hoping to survive the drop ha ha

Not sure how much money the owners are prepared to put in to Wrexham - they have enough for them to climb up the leagues by buying someone like Mullin who would be sought after in the championship. But to get higher than the championship will require major investment. Also interesting to see if this is the next model for sport - the content for the documentary becomes more important than success on the field.

Although Reynolds has plenty, I'm not sure he's going to want to spend it all on the club. But he's smart so I'd expect he'll work it out, or bring in an investor

@Hooroo said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@bayimports said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@Hooroo said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@KiwiMurph said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

I don't understand the hate towards Wrexham. Having rich owners is how you succeed in modern football.

I’ve only seen the love for what’s going on.

Great series but I wish they would do a more up to date version than waiting until end of season. It’s addictive as smack

I struggle to find hate too its a great story of which Notts have also played a great part, if "bloody Wrexham" is hate then I don't think @KiwiMurph hasn't read through the thread and the context of KP's team. Unless it was something else..

F*ck Arsenal on the other hand...kidding how's those nerves @Hooroo?, at least you're battling for top of table, Im hoping to survive the drop ha ha

I have mostly thought that we would be caught. Got a young squad so could be competitive for a while which is nice for the future.

Arsenal have stayed at the top until the end of the season - that's quite an achievement and especially given that they don't really have much quality below the first XI (Saliba getting injured was a real blow for them). And they can still win the league, just go to City and win and it is back in their hands!

Not just Saliba, Tomiyasu being out for the year limits the options in defence. Arsenal's fortunes tend to go with Partey's form, and he has been poor in recent games. I don't think that Holding has been too bad. He wasn't directly responsible for the goals conceded in the last couple of games.

Let's face it. Man City have unlimited funds so their 2nd XI is top 6 quality. No other team can say that.

Arsenal aren't "bottling" the league, they are still on target for 89 points. Up until about 2017 that won the league more often than not

It's just that this City side have pushed the points needed up by at least 6, so what used to be just common dropped points are now fatal. They do shit like win 13 games straight to win the league. It's fucked.

They're kissed on the dick by injury too. They've actually used the least number of players in the Premier League this year.

Torville & Dean, Warne & McGrath, Nonu & Smith, the rowing lads whose name I forget, Pippen & Jordan

De Bruyne & Haaling

City are O for awesome. A completely and utterly one sided half. Pure quality.

I haven’t historically watched that much soccer but I struggle to think of a better out and out striker than haaland. Fast, tall, strong, accurate…and not selfish (CR7…)

He’s the kind of guy that could single-handedly get Norway to the knockout stages of the euros.

Maybe Thierry Henry?

Citeh cruising to the Title now.

In the more interesting anyway relegation battle Forest are leading Brighton 2-1 after 88 and West Ham are losing at Anfield.

In the West London League Chelsea are going down at Brentford which will put the Bees at the top of the bragging rights comp.

@mariner4life

I think they are the very definition of bottling it.

3 points from the last 4 games.

City’s quality has nothing to do with them not being able to handle the pressure of being runaway leaders.

@dogmeat said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

Citeh cruising to the Title now.

In the more interesting anyway relegation battle Forest are leading Brighton 2-1 after 88 and West Ham are losing at Anfield.

Finished 3-1, wow didn't see that coming.. that now does put pressure on the remaining games this week for those down the bottom and helps lift Forest out of the drop zone (for now)

Leeds 16th - 30 points - 4 points from last 5 games Max 37 points
Bournemouth (A), Man City (A), Newcastle (H), West Ham (A), Tottenham (H)

Forest 17th 30 points - 3 points from last 5 games Away form dire Max 35 points
Brentford (A), Southampton (H), Chelsea (A), Arsenal (H), Crystal Palace (A)

Everton 18th - 28 points -6 points from last 6 games Max 35 points
Newcastle (H), Leicester (A), Brighton & Hove Albion (A), Man City (H), Wolves (A), Bournemouth (H)

Leicester 19th - 28 points - 4 points from last 5 games Max 33 points
Everton (H), Fulham (A), Liverpool (H), Newcastle (A), West Ham (H)

Southampton 20th -24 points - 2 points from last 6 games - All but relegated
Bournemouth (H), Newcastle (A), Nottingham Forest (A), Fulham (H), Brighton (A), Liverpool (H),

All of the above are poor sides.

I reckon Saints and Forest are doomed and then it's who is the least bad out of Leeds, Leicester and Everton.

FWIW I reckon Leicester will become the 2nd Premiership winning club to be relegated, but you can make an argument for anyone but Southampton surviving, or indeed Bournemouth / West Ham getting sucked back into the shit fight.

@dogmeat Genuinely tricky to pick who will go down given how much a single win can change things. Southampton surely goneburger as they need 2 wins just to be in the conversation. But if they beat Bournemouth and Forest then they will still have hope. Forest will need to get some away points. Leeds are looking dodgy still and the loser of Leicester v Everton will also be struggling. And for @bayimports if the Cherries lose to Southampton, Leeds and Everton then they are in with a good chance of going down!

If you crave final day excitement, what about the battle to make the playoffs in National League North? Without checking who plays who, Darlington in 13th look to still have a very remote chance.

@KiwiPie I know!... we play Southampton overnight and we need points at the very least, preferably a win. We can effectively relegate them if we win I believe, but lose and we are back in the swamp

..Then hopefully the squad stays fit for Leeds. (big couple of games where losses are more problematic than anything)

@bayimports
I didn't include you in the relegation update because, as I thought three weeks ago, you have a comparatively easy run in. You have nine points from your last five games so sit on 33 with six games to go.

Only one of those games is against a top 10 side. Southampton (A), Leeds (H), Chelsea (H), Crystal Palace (A), Man Utd (H), Everton (A)

I reckon given the number of games between relegation contenders that 36 points will be the cut-off. If you do lose your next two games it will definitely be sphincter clenching, but I believe you've done enough already to stagger over the line.

Such a relief to be able to post on the relegation battle without skin in the game.

Everton are the one in big trouble. Been in the top tier all my life. Given their financial situation, relegation could be catastrophic for them.

Bournemouth are safe!!!! Yes I'm calling it. 7 clear of the relegation zone and to be pulled into the bottom 3 they would need to lose their last 5 games and have 3 of the bottom 5 get 6 or 7 points in 5 games. Southampton must be goneburger now and Everton have won only 6 games all season - their game at Leicester is huge for both teams.

Meanwhile Newcastle look nailed on for top 4, and Spurs come back from 2-0 down for a vital point in the 5/6th place race.

@KiwiPie said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

Bournemouth are safe!!!! Yes I'm calling it. 7 clear of the relegation zone and to be pulled into the bottom 3 they would need to lose their last 5 games and have 3 of the bottom 5 get 6 or 7 points in 5 games. Southampton must be goneburger now and Everton have won only 6 games all season - their game at Leicester is huge for both teams.

Meanwhile Newcastle look nailed on for top 4, and Spurs come back from 2-0 down for a vital point in the 5/6th place race.

Im with Gary ONeil and I dont think 36 is safe just yet, 37 on the other hand and I will be breathing easier. Currently 2 wins ahead of Leeds and Forest but goal difference thanks to Liverpool declaring 9 without loss on us earlier in the season puts us back the fight if we tie. One more point gives us that extra room. Any points from the Leeds fixture should put us in safety. Interestingly we are only one win away from Chelsea on the table...what a weird season.

Still very happy with the result!

@dogmeat said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

Leeds 16th - 30 points - 4 points from last 5 games Max 37 points
Bournemouth (A), Man City (A), Newcastle (H), West Ham (A), Tottenham (H)

Forest 17th 30 points - 3 points from last 5 games Away form dire Max 35 points
Brentford (A), Southampton (H), Chelsea (A), Arsenal (H), Crystal Palace (A)

Everton 18th - 28 points -6 points from last 6 games Max 35 points
Newcastle (H), Leicester (A), Brighton & Hove Albion (A), Man City (H), Wolves (A), Bournemouth (H)

Leicester 19th - 28 points - 4 points from last 5 games Max 33 points
Everton (H), Fulham (A), Liverpool (H), Newcastle (A), West Ham (H)

Southampton 20th -24 points - 2 points from last 6 games - All but relegated
Bournemouth (H), Newcastle (A), Nottingham Forest (A), Fulham (H), Brighton (A), Liverpool (H),

All of the above are poor sides.

I reckon Saints and Forest are doomed and then it's who is the least bad out of Leeds, Leicester and Everton.

FWIW I reckon Leicester will become the 2nd Premiership winning club to be relegated, but you can make an argument for anyone but Southampton surviving, or indeed Bournemouth / West Ham getting sucked back into the shit fight.

So my guess for bottom three from here, after thinking it through a bit more 33 is now enough to be safe

1. Southampton - after this morning, a bit of a no brainer, Forest will use their match up to save themselves
2. Leicester - match with Everton potentially helps decide Everton's fate but no further wins, game against West Ham will confirm or deny this, but assume West Ham too strong.
3. Leeds - Im going a bit left field here. If Leeds dont beat Bournemouth this weekend then I don't see them winning again. I see Everton and Leeds in a head to head scrap for the drop. GON wants points this weekend and will fight all the way. I'm going to say Bournemouth win/draw at home (they do have a recent habit of tripping up on these home games though). My thoughts are Everton get lucky that their last two matches will be against teams with nothing to play for at this stage and will sneak points to pass Leeds.

Of course, Leeds will beat Bournemouth, Southampton will now beat Forest, Leicester will beat West Ham and a completely different two go down with the Saints, as this always happens with predictions lol

Can I call it now @bayimports ????

Looking a lot like Southampton down and any 2 from 4 with West Ham still vulnerable.

@KiwiPie yes... and significant relief, should allow us to retain Lerma now too. Start planning some further spending over the summer. If you said a two months ago, we would have the same points as Chelsea I don't think I would have believed it

I think Forest beat Southampton taking them past Leeds then it becomes a scrap between Leicester, Everton and Leeds with Everton the easier draw.

Chelsea are absolute rubbish at the moment. Reminds me of when Kirwan coached the blues.

At least lampard has Mme Bleakley for consolation.

Meanwhile the madness continues. Leeds apparently set to appoint Big Sam as their fourth Manager of the season. With only four games left - Citeh, Newcastle, West Ham and Spurs

@dogmeat said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

Meanwhile the madness continues. Leeds apparently set to appoint Big Sam as their fourth Manager of the season. With only four games left - Citeh, Newcastle, West Ham and Spurs

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Have they even got a shot of saving themselves?

@canefan
You'd have thought not but they are still in 17th . All three clubs behind them have similarly difficult draws with one massive exception. Southampton play Forest next. They need Saints to win that an then all the bottom three to keep losing. If that happens (not totally unrealistic) they don't need another point to stay up.

29 points would have been enough two years ago so in theory....

@dogmeat said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@canefan
You'd have thought not but they are still in 17th . All three clubs behind them have similarly difficult draws with one massive exception. Southampton play Forest next. They need Saints to win that an then all the bottom three to keep losing. If that happens (not totally unrealistic) they don't need another point to stay up.

29 points would have been enough two years ago so in theory....

Big Sam is a master at keeping teams up, but they have left it pretty late

@canefan said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

Big Sam is was a master at keeping teams up

West Brom...

Chelsea have pulled one back. Still looking unlikely they will get a point from this game which means Lampard still won't have won a game in 2023. Or indeed drawn one!! Currently looking at a goal diff of -16

Inspired signing

Arsenal did enough in the 1st half but once again poor defending by Zinchenko for the Chelsea goal.

Chelsea the sixth best club in London :astonished_face:

@Bovidae said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

Arsenal did enough in the 1st half but once again poor defending by Zinchenko for the Chelsea goal.

@Bovidae said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

Arsenal did enough in the 1st half but once again poor defending by Zinchenko for the Chelsea goal.

I am struggling to see why they are persisting with him.

What are the odds Lampard is dumped before the end of the season?

@broughie said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

I am struggling to see why they are persisting with him.

He plays as an inverted fullback, which is an important role in Arteta's attacking system. In short, Zinchenko is used as an additional midfielder. He's not a great defender though, and is often out of position because of where he is on the field (central).

@dogmeat said in EPL 2022 / 2023:

@canefan
You'd have thought not but they are still in 17th . All three clubs behind them have similarly difficult draws with one massive exception. Southampton play Forest next. They need Saints to win that an then all the bottom three to keep losing. If that happens (not totally unrealistic) they don't need another point to stay up.

29 points would have been enough two years ago so in theory....

Personally I think Leeds are done, maybe Big Sam can help earn them a couple of points and that could be enough..but talk about leaving it late, but looking at their next games, I can't see them winning any.

@dogmeat lol that is quite funny, earliest changes generally ok, change twice you're gooone

@Bovidae yeah, I can see his role but I don't think it's beneficial if you're sacrificing defense. He is better suited a pure midfielder and it seems to me that they have enough play makers. He tends to slow things down to.

@bayimports You look at that list and it reeks of clubs panicking.

Apart from Parker and Gerrard have any of the others really made a difference?

Obviously Lampard is also a shite Manager but Everton could still go down.

Maybe Big Sam is the answer

Big Sam is in at Leeds and talking himself up as usual. Almost exactly 25 years ago, he was celebrating taking Notts up to League 1 in a record-breaking season of 99 points and the next season Bolton came calling.

Haaland breaks the EPL scoring record with 35 in the season. Nice finish for his goal. Dixie Dean on 60 is the ultimate target - that is a true outlier as nobody else has beaten 50 goals in the top flight. And he was only 21 at the end of that season and Everton only managed 102 for the whole season - even Haaland doesn't get close to 60% of City's goals.

@dogmeat At the start of the season who would have thunk that from having Tuchel and spending big money, Chelsea would end the season with Lampard after he was sacked by Everton?