RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland

@Machpants I know Taukeiaho and Roigard were blooded into the team and the system like the best ever, you won't see better. Plus Taylor rediscovered his form as a result of Taukeiaho being given extremely limited game time, plus we got to see Christie really isn't up to it because he got so much game time

But 🤮

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

When's the team named?

This thread is gonna go all over shop this week.

I’m just looking forward to the images of Sexton on the bench in the 72nd minute, with his eyes glazed over, channeling 2007 DC with a thousand-yard stare.

@game_film said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

I’m just looking forward to the images of Sexton on the bench in the 72nd minute, with his eyes glazed over, channeling 2007 DC with a thousand-yard stare.

would this be the biggest choke ever if Ireland continued to never win a knockout game with this team, and this level of international dominance?

Let's go Black - hoping for the best, but fearful of what a properly disciplined team will do against us.

1. the ruck. this is where they are the best in the world. We need to disrupt without being penalised, and stop them from doing the same to us. Ireland have realised that rucks are more frequent than any other contest for possession, and the biggest source of turnovers and penalties in almost every single game, and this is where their focus is. i find it really disturbing that so many comments above on 'how we can win it' talk about every bloody other thing and don't mention this: everything else is secondary.
2. they obstruct terribly and get away with it, and chase well when the ball is in the air. this is the other area where they are clearly better than us, and it ought to be brought up with the referees in advance and worked on heavily by us, as it isn't that hard - just needs people to know what their roles are.
3. discipline. it's hard enough to beat them without going down to 14 men.

Hope they realised how thier lack of physicality was a major issue then, as it has been on and mostly off for the past 4 years.

There is a special line from Retallick in this for you @mariner4life

Retallick says he has enjoyed the atmosphere the Irish fans have brought to the tournament, particularly the renditions of the 1990s pop song 'Zombie'.

"I think that's one of the awesome parts about a World Cup, the enthusiasm the crowd bring," he added. "I've seen them singing the Cranberries, it's a great song, but hopefully they're not singing it on Saturday."

when sexton starts choking and missing kicks i could handle an 'in your head, in your heeeaad" or two.
still a shit song though.

Give 110 percent
Leave it all on the field
Play for the jersey
Do it for the people back home
Play with a chip on your shoulder
Get stuck in

It’s the best sporting cliches that really matter

Ooh complaining about it being unfair, mental weakness?

Sexcovkwomble said “We are delighted to win the pool. This is where we want to be now in a quarterfinal against the toughest opposition we could get,” Sexton said after their final pool match against the Scots.

“The way the draw was made three years ago, it turned out a bit unfair. It is the hand that we were dealt and we have to be ready for New Zealand next week.”

But probably just pointing to the fact he's a whiny fluffybunny. We can whine, we're fans, he's Pro and should be above that

@reprobate said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

1. the ruck. this is where they are the best in the world. We need to disrupt without being penalised, and stop them from doing the same to us. Ireland have realised that rucks are more frequent than any other contest for possession, and the biggest source of turnovers and penalties in almost every single game, and this is where their focus is. i find it really disturbing that so many comments above on 'how we can win it' talk about every bloody other thing and don't mention this: everything else is secondary.
2. they obstruct terribly and get away with it, and chase well when the ball is in the air. this is the other area where they are clearly better than us, and it ought to be brought up with the referees in advance and worked on heavily by us, as it isn't that hard - just needs people to know what their roles are.
3. discipline. it's hard enough to beat them without going down to 14 men.

One thing I noticed watching Jocks go down, was how often an Irish tackler hangs on by tackled player’s foot, thus placing him full length right behind attacking ruck. They roll away lethargically sometimes away from halfback and sometimes towards him.

For example, at 11.38 Irish 5 rolls back into Price’s feet.

All teams do it but I’m sure Paddies in double figures, so a tactic.

For me it’s an automatic penalty unless obvious that genuine attempt made to avoid disruption.

Rassie video required?

@pakman GAGR video would be better

@pakman said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@reprobate said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

1. the ruck. this is where they are the best in the world. We need to disrupt without being penalised, and stop them from doing the same to us. Ireland have realised that rucks are more frequent than any other contest for possession, and the biggest source of turnovers and penalties in almost every single game, and this is where their focus is. i find it really disturbing that so many comments above on 'how we can win it' talk about every bloody other thing and don't mention this: everything else is secondary.
2. they obstruct terribly and get away with it, and chase well when the ball is in the air. this is the other area where they are clearly better than us, and it ought to be brought up with the referees in advance and worked on heavily by us, as it isn't that hard - just needs people to know what their roles are.
3. discipline. it's hard enough to beat them without going down to 14 men.

One thing I noticed watching Jocks go down, was how often an Irish tackler hangs on by tackled player’s foot, thus placing him full length right behind attacking ruck. They roll away lethargically sometimes away from halfback and sometimes towards him.

For example, at 11.38 Irish 5 rolls back into Price’s feet.

All teams do it but I’m sure Paddies in double figures, so a tactic.

For me it’s an automatic penalty unless obvious that genuine attempt made to avoid disruption.

Rassie video required?

I think we just need to exaggerate the effect it has....eg Sexton being tripped after the ball was out.

How the game will be played will depend heavily on who has the whistle....
I suspect we will have an Englishmen or Frenchmen....excluding Barnes...that would mean we're in trouble before we even get on the field

Come on New Zealand. If SA can get past the French, would love to see an all SH final

@rustycruiser you assume you’ll win your semi

A few instances of HB tripping over Paddy would force ref’s hand (or should that be mouth)?!

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Retallick says he has enjoyed the atmosphere the Irish fans have brought to the tournament, particularly the renditions of the 1990s pop song 'Zombie'.

"I think that's one of the awesome parts about a World Cup, the enthusiasm the crowd bring," he added. "I've seen them singing the Cranberries, it's a great song, but hopefully they're not singing it on Saturday."

Hardly a song about Irish unity and creativity! As has been pointed out, "Ireland are very metronomic and robotic in how they play" so strange then the Irish fans have borrowed it (but the history and controversy is interesting if you look it up)...

What can the AB fans do? A reverse chant, borrowed from Georgie G and the Wattles?
"Four more years
Four more years
Get on the beers
You'll need four more years"
.

@stodders said in All Blacks 2023:

Ireland haven’t been behind so far in this World Cup, have they? We don’t know how they react to scoreboard pressure.

So this is the straw we need to grasp? That unlike Ireland the ABs know how to lose and get dominated on a regular basis?! Well, that really puts my mind at rest, I'm sure?!

@pakman yeah they do all that right on the fringes, slowly.

Probably the smartest team going at present, gaming the rules to perfection, but its thier discipline to stay in thier systems that separates them, thier excellent rushing d-line is almost always off side, but with a whole line of players moving at the same time it is alot harder to see (although surely the AR should pick this easier than the ref in his peripheral)

@stodders I fear Ireland, France and New Zealand more than either England or Fiji.

@stodders they were briefly v SA?

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@pakman yeah they do all that right on the fringes, slowly.

Probably the smartest team going at present, gaming the rules to perfection, but its thier discipline to stay in thier systems that separates them, thier excellent rushing d-line is almost always off side, but with a whole line of players moving at the same time it is alot harder to see (although surely the AR should pick this easier than the ref in his peripheral)

Never been a ref, but if far AR lines himself up with back foot of ruck he can see offside by line of sight. So why not do it?

@pakman at club footy the AR sets the off side line, it would seem quite simple to police.

@nostrildamus Not to labour the point, in 2007, NZ were the form team coming into the tournament and romped through the pool games. It was only under the blowtorch pressure of the QF that the systems that had looked so good fell apart.

Scotland tried to put the Irish under pressure last night. Irish shut them down because so much goes through Finn Russell and Kinghorn got injured early. Ireland coughed up penalties in the first 20 mins and Scotland did not take the points when offered. Irish defence was v good, but I would expect NZ to take the points and trust their systems to get them back down into the red zone.

@nzzp Hmmmm. Guess it would depend on how the game played out. There’s losing …and there’s losing. But yeah. Difference between getting a statue or not. Jeeez, that’s a good line for an AB to use this week.

@game_film I honestly would be surprised if Ireland won 13+, or NZ won 13+. So much uncertainty.

The All Blacks don't win this game if it is an arm-wrestle. It doesn't suit us. We've got to back our expansive gameplan - will it look ugly if it doesn't work? Sure, but trying to beat Ireland at their own game is unlikely to work either.

In the same mode??
So this is the only possible time the ABs can win the RWC or the only possible time in the near future? Or maybe I just don't understand Ian Foster logic.

@nostrildamus guess plenty are at the end of thier time in this team, so this is thier time too?

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus guess plenty are at the end of thier time in this team, so this is thier time too?

if that is what he meant, but how many of the oldtimers have won an RWC gold medal or two? Probably quite a few!

@nostrildamus who is left from 2015? Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Taylor, Coles, BB, SB?

@bayimports said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

The fucking carry on after every little thing that goes their way

You mean doesn’t go their way right? Curiously does Hawkes Bay have a large Irish heritage?

Whadda ya talking about? Everything's going our way. We've got the shield (well, we're letting Wellington repair it for us over summer), we're the best at shield partying, we won the battle of the bays and knocked Of Plenty out of the finals on the same day.

@Stargazer said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Swap Havili for Kirifi and send him out on a mission.

Yep, call him up before this weekend's NPC semifinal. :grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
Just to let him hold the tackle pads though.

Not sure if I endorse that, I'm relying on him giving away dumb penalties.

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus who is left from 2015? Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Taylor, Coles, BB, SB?

@frugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

The All Blacks don't win this game if it is an arm-wrestle. It doesn't suit us. We've got to back our expansive gameplan - will it look ugly if it doesn't work? Sure, but trying to beat Ireland at their own game is unlikely to work either.

in a boxing analogy , we are the dangerous fighter with the fast powerful explosive hands, but with a few more technical flaws ,

And they are the more rounded technically correct boxer ,

Yeah trying to outbox them is probably not going to work .

@kiwiinmelb said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

The All Blacks don't win this game if it is an arm-wrestle. It doesn't suit us. We've got to back our expansive gameplan - will it look ugly if it doesn't work? Sure, but trying to beat Ireland at their own game is unlikely to work either.

in a boxing analogy , we are the dangerous boxer with the fast explosive hands with a few more technical flaws ,

And they are the more rounded technically correct fighter,

Yeah trying to outbox them is probably not going to work .

We’re Earnie Shavers, they’re Larry Holmes.

Lots of chest thumping here.

I fucking love it!

Ok Foster you Jabba looking, KFC munching cnut, I'll put aside the last 4 years and pledge my unquestioning allegiance to the cause. You don't deserve it, but fark me if I won't offer you my privates if you achieve the impossible.

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:

Friz, Paps, Ardie

I think that’s what they’ll pick. Finish the game with Cane subbing on for Papali’i & Barrett at 6

That makes no sense to me. It's like 2019 all over again. Cane doesn't offer much coming on as an impact forward whereas Paps will.

Cane on first to blunt the Irish attack, Paps comes on fresh when the game is hopefully opening up.

@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

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Foster: “They've got a group of players … this is probably their moment. If they’re ever going to win a World Cup, they’ll probably feel like it’s now, and as a team we’re kinda in the same mode. So it’s pretty exciting.”

In the same mode??
So this is the only possible time the ABs can win the RWC or the only possible time in the near future? Or maybe I just don't understand Ian Foster logic.

The issue here is your over-analysing a coach's comment in the media. If we take our Fozzy bashing glasses off for a minute, he's basically saying we are in the mode of winning the World Cup.

Of this squad, most of these players have either never won it or won't be there in 2027, so I don't think that for this team, it is that unreasonable.

Foz ramping up the pressure on Ireland. Good.

The problem is neither Paps or Cane are great from the bench. Both are better starters.