@pakman said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@reprobate said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
- the ruck. this is where they are the best in the world. We need to disrupt without being penalised, and stop them from doing the same to us. Ireland have realised that rucks are more frequent than any other contest for possession, and the biggest source of turnovers and penalties in almost every single game, and this is where their focus is. i find it really disturbing that so many comments above on 'how we can win it' talk about every bloody other thing and don't mention this: everything else is secondary.
- they obstruct terribly and get away with it, and chase well when the ball is in the air. this is the other area where they are clearly better than us, and it ought to be brought up with the referees in advance and worked on heavily by us, as it isn't that hard - just needs people to know what their roles are.
- discipline. it's hard enough to beat them without going down to 14 men.
One thing I noticed watching Jocks go down, was how often an Irish tackler hangs on by tackled player’s foot, thus placing him full length right behind attacking ruck. They roll away lethargically sometimes away from halfback and sometimes towards him.
For example, at 11.38 Irish 5 rolls back into Price’s feet.
All teams do it but I’m sure Paddies in double figures, so a tactic.
For me it’s an automatic penalty unless obvious that genuine attempt made to avoid disruption.
Rassie video required?
I think we just need to exaggerate the effect it has....eg Sexton being tripped after the ball was out.
How the game will be played will depend heavily on who has the whistle....
I suspect we will have an Englishmen or Frenchmen....excluding Barnes...that would mean we're in trouble before we even get on the field
@rustycruiser you assume you’ll win your semi 
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Retallick says he has enjoyed the atmosphere the Irish fans have brought to the tournament, particularly the renditions of the 1990s pop song 'Zombie'.
"I think that's one of the awesome parts about a World Cup, the enthusiasm the crowd bring," he added. "I've seen them singing the Cranberries, it's a great song, but hopefully they're not singing it on Saturday."
Hardly a song about Irish unity and creativity! As has been pointed out, "Ireland are very metronomic and robotic in how they play" so strange then the Irish fans have borrowed it (but the history and controversy is interesting if you look it up)...
What can the AB fans do? A reverse chant, borrowed from Georgie G and the Wattles?
"Four more years
Four more years
Get on the beers
You'll need four more years"
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2023:
Ireland haven’t been behind so far in this World Cup, have they? We don’t know how they react to scoreboard pressure.
So this is the straw we need to grasp? That unlike Ireland the ABs know how to lose and get dominated on a regular basis?! Well, that really puts my mind at rest, I'm sure?!
@pakman yeah they do all that right on the fringes, slowly.
Probably the smartest team going at present, gaming the rules to perfection, but its thier discipline to stay in thier systems that separates them, thier excellent rushing d-line is almost always off side, but with a whole line of players moving at the same time it is alot harder to see (although surely the AR should pick this easier than the ref in his peripheral)
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@pakman yeah they do all that right on the fringes, slowly.
Probably the smartest team going at present, gaming the rules to perfection, but its thier discipline to stay in thier systems that separates them, thier excellent rushing d-line is almost always off side, but with a whole line of players moving at the same time it is alot harder to see (although surely the AR should pick this easier than the ref in his peripheral)
Never been a ref, but if far AR lines himself up with back foot of ruck he can see offside by line of sight. So why not do it?
@nostrildamus Not to labour the point, in 2007, NZ were the form team coming into the tournament and romped through the pool games. It was only under the blowtorch pressure of the QF that the systems that had looked so good fell apart.
Scotland tried to put the Irish under pressure last night. Irish shut them down because so much goes through Finn Russell and Kinghorn got injured early. Ireland coughed up penalties in the first 20 mins and Scotland did not take the points when offered. Irish defence was v good, but I would expect NZ to take the points and trust their systems to get them back down into the red zone.
@game_film I honestly would be surprised if Ireland won 13+, or NZ won 13+. So much uncertainty.
The All Blacks don't win this game if it is an arm-wrestle. It doesn't suit us. We've got to back our expansive gameplan - will it look ugly if it doesn't work? Sure, but trying to beat Ireland at their own game is unlikely to work either.
Foster: “They've got a group of players … this is probably their moment. If they’re ever going to win a World Cup, they’ll probably feel like it’s now, and as a team we’re kinda in the same mode. So it’s pretty exciting.”
In the same mode??
So this is the only possible time the ABs can win the RWC or the only possible time in the near future? Or maybe I just don't understand Ian Foster logic.
@nostrildamus guess plenty are at the end of thier time in this team, so this is thier time too?
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus guess plenty are at the end of thier time in this team, so this is thier time too?
if that is what he meant, but how many of the oldtimers have won an RWC gold medal or two? Probably quite a few!
@nostrildamus who is left from 2015? Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Taylor, Coles, BB, SB?
@bayimports said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The fucking carry on after every little thing that goes their way
You mean doesn’t go their way right? Curiously does Hawkes Bay have a large Irish heritage?
Whadda ya talking about? Everything's going our way. We've got the shield (well, we're letting Wellington repair it for us over summer), we're the best at shield partying, we won the battle of the bays and knocked Of Plenty out of the finals on the same day. 
@Stargazer said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Swap Havili for Kirifi and send him out on a mission.
Yep, call him up before this weekend's NPC semifinal. :grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
Just to let him hold the tackle pads though.
Not sure if I endorse that, I'm relying on him giving away dumb penalties.
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus who is left from 2015? Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Taylor, Coles, BB, SB?
not sure what is currently happening with Moody but good guesses!
Cane of course, and JB. I count 9.
Just one.
@frugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The All Blacks don't win this game if it is an arm-wrestle. It doesn't suit us. We've got to back our expansive gameplan - will it look ugly if it doesn't work? Sure, but trying to beat Ireland at their own game is unlikely to work either.
in a boxing analogy , we are the dangerous fighter with the fast powerful explosive hands, but with a few more technical flaws ,
And they are the more rounded technically correct boxer ,
Yeah trying to outbox them is probably not going to work .
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The All Blacks don't win this game if it is an arm-wrestle. It doesn't suit us. We've got to back our expansive gameplan - will it look ugly if it doesn't work? Sure, but trying to beat Ireland at their own game is unlikely to work either.
in a boxing analogy , we are the dangerous boxer with the fast explosive hands with a few more technical flaws ,
And they are the more rounded technically correct fighter,
Yeah trying to outbox them is probably not going to work .
We’re Earnie Shavers, they’re Larry Holmes.
Lots of chest thumping here.
I fucking love it!
Ok Foster you Jabba looking, KFC munching cnut, I'll put aside the last 4 years and pledge my unquestioning allegiance to the cause. You don't deserve it, but fark me if I won't offer you my privates if you achieve the impossible.
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:
Friz, Paps, Ardie
I think that’s what they’ll pick. Finish the game with Cane subbing on for Papali’i & Barrett at 6
That makes no sense to me. It's like 2019 all over again. Cane doesn't offer much coming on as an impact forward whereas Paps will.
Cane on first to blunt the Irish attack, Paps comes on fresh when the game is hopefully opening up.
@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Foster: “They've got a group of players … this is probably their moment. If they’re ever going to win a World Cup, they’ll probably feel like it’s now, and as a team we’re kinda in the same mode. So it’s pretty exciting.”In the same mode??
So this is the only possible time the ABs can win the RWC or the only possible time in the near future? Or maybe I just don't understand Ian Foster logic.
The issue here is your over-analysing a coach's comment in the media. If we take our Fozzy bashing glasses off for a minute, he's basically saying we are in the mode of winning the World Cup.
Of this squad, most of these players have either never won it or won't be there in 2027, so I don't think that for this team, it is that unreasonable.
Ireland's defence is incredible.
8 points conceded vs Boks. nothing conceded vs Scotland until the contest was over.
I'd have Mo'unga and Beauden practicing drop goals all week.
Let's George Ford them.
Keep the scoreboard ticking over.
@KiwiMurph said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ireland's defence is incredible.
8 points conceded vs Boks. nothing conceded vs Scotland until the contest was over.
I'd have Mo'unga and Beauden practicing drop goals all week.
Let's George Ford them.
Keep the scoreboard ticking over.
it's good, but the Bok numbers are misleading, they left heaps of points out there
@KiwiMurph said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Keep the scoreboard ticking over.
See, it’s with cliches like this that we are destined to win.
We will only keep the scoreboard ticking over if we play what’s in front of us…
@ACT-Crusader dont want it to be a game of 2 halves, unless Ireland are good in the 1st and we are gooder in the 2nd...
Also missed full credit, do they still have ladies in the kitchen?
@mariner4life true, probably not been helping since Suzie left the fishcakes on the windowsill over night!
@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus who is left from 2015? Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Taylor, Coles, BB, SB?
not sure what is currently happening with Moody but good guesses!
Cane of course, and JB. I count 9.
Just one.
No SB or JB in 2015.
Just Coles, Taylor, Whitelock, Retallick, Cane, Smith, B. Barrett
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@ACT-Crusader dont want it to be a game of 2 halves, unless Ireland are good in the 1st and we are gooder in the 2nd...
Also missed full credit, do they still have ladies in the kitchen?
Yeah definitely. Yeah nah