RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland

@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Mr-Fish a lot to agree with in there.

On the flip side, sport is a funny thing, especially in one off games/events.

Nobody gave France a chance in 2007. Ireland were a shoe in for their QFs in 2007 and 2015 too, but ended up out of the competition.

...

Sport, hey!

I fully agree that sports throws out random results all the time - but all the evidence points in one direction and while a random result in entirely possible, that doesn't mean the All Blacks are being underrated!

@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Mr-Fish said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

This team is very average and at the moment it feels like people are saying the All Blacks are underrated purely based on irrelevant history. I'd love to know what some posters here think is being overlooked?

Here's the thing though. Overall it's very average - but that's because it's a mix of sublime and appalling from game to the next.

What sublime games have we seen from the All Blacks? I'd say they were good in parts against the Springboks in Auckland this year (but still let them back into the match in the second half) and then they've destroyed some tier-two (or borderline tier-two) sides. But against decent to strong opposition they've been found wanting.

I think we are saying the same thing. Brilliant one moment, rat-shit the next

Dipolar?

@Mr-Fish Nobody has put 35 points on the Boks this year. Nobody has put 35 points on the Boks at home at Ellis Park in a long time. There is the sublime.

The Boks have never beaten the ABs by a bigger margin than 35-7 at Twickenham (red card mitigation accepted). There is the ridiculous.

4 things to consider:

1. Ireland have never got past qtr final stage
2. only 2 teams have ever recorded 18 wins in a row in the history of rugby.
3. Ireland have never beaten NZ at a World Cup before
4. Their former coach is now an AB coach plotting against them.

1 of those things would be tough for the Irish to overcome but 4 of them?

Surely the rugby gods will not let them overcome all 4?

Quite simply Nz have nothing to lose and will be written off by pretty much everyone.

I get the sense that this AB outfit will be a desperate side on Saturday and will turn up with a performance to blitz Ireland as we did against SA.

As far as I can see (hope!) we took the RC seriously then entered a long S&C programme to get ourselves in the best shape possible for the qtr finals (look at tamati Williams as proof of this) so we can play the high octane rugby and gameplan that we have seen glimpses of this year.

We all know Ireland are a highly cohesive side and have well established patterns - if we play like Scotland, then we will be easily contained by their defensive aystem but I think we are a far more dynamic side and will test them more than they have been tested for some time.

There is no doubt that Schmidt will be working overtime to undo them with some changes to our attack and bring something they haven’t seen from us.

If not and we lose, then fuck off Foz and hello razor!

This game is doing my head in ,

All the logic points to Ireland, but blind faith keeps me hanging in there with some belief.

What’s the scenario with their injuries ? allegedly 3 or 4 to wingers .

Looks like they didn’t select enough .

@kiwiinmelb

Here you go

None ruled out at this stage but Ryan and Hansen probably look the least likely

I don't want the ABs to be desperate. That is when Foster's ABs are at their bumbling worst.

@rustycruiser said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Come on New Zealand. If SA can get past the French, would love to see an all SH final

And another of the OG returns

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@kiwiinmelb

Here you go

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None ruled out at this stage but Ryan and Hansen probably look the least likely

They can get the fuck out with this shit. Getting their excuses in early, trying to steal our underdog status.

We’ve sacrificed a great deal for the underdog tag, be damned if they’re taking it off us now.

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

@canefan Take some coaching viagra mid-week. Should be good to go for Saturday through to the end of the tournament

Had thier backs to the wall last year when Foz had his head on the block, everyone had us getting smoked v SA this year after they sent a b side to dispose of Aus...not many giving them a shot this weekend too

@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@booboo said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Some random thoughts...
2. The ABs are not as bad and so many people are making out.

Yup, that was random!

Yeah, hate typos from typing on the phone late at night.

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

Yeah be nice for them to be motivated to win for a change when they usually don't give a shit eh

We can talk about Foz getting them up for this, but if they come out flat that’s a massive indictment on the senior players. This may not be the 2015 crop talent-wise, but there’s a shit-ton of experience in this side. No excuses.

@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Porter got away with what would now be a clear red.

Was a clear red then.

Most important decision of the week...who do you want from this list for the game?

Cronan, Foley, Jonker or Whitehouse.

Does the TMO normally get picked in line with the ref's nationality?

So, if Cronan is picked, does that mean the ref is likely to be Gardner?

If Foley, does that mean Wayne Barnes or Luke Pearce?

If Jonker, does that mean Jaco Peyper?

Ben Whitehouse doesn't have any Welsh mates, so it will probably be Nika Amushakeli as ref.

@booboo Obviously not

@Bones

Oh geez bones. Don’t like desperation don’t like high motivation.

What do you actually want from 23 ABs on Saturday?

@voodoo yeah wont be, or shouldnt be any lacking of motivation anywhere in this squad:

For many, this could be thier last ever game in black, for Foz it could be his last match in charge.

If that doesnt get them up for it...

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Oh geez bones. Don’t like desperation don’t like high motivation.

What do you actually want from 23 ABs on Saturday?

Accuracy, discipline, and no shit dinky kicks (read beaudy pulls hammy in warm up)

@voodoo

I often think we try to be too clinical in certain games and don’t use the emotion of the occasion to feed off.

South Africa are the side that are able to lift the most through emotional energy imo.

We will both need to lift ourselves more than normal as Sa will have a hugely partisan Home crowd to try to silence. The French are in party mode and have never seen them so committed to supporting their team - it’s been great tbh.

We will clearly have a large Irish section of the crowd to contend with which will make it feel like a proper away game for us.

AB teams of old feed off going into hostile grounds and silencing the crowd with their play.

I want stunned silence in the crowd after 20 minutes.

The international careers of many ABs are on the line on Saturday
Lose and for many it will be their last game in black.
The legacy of the ABs is being eroded and they have the opportunity to stop that.
They have allowed this Irish team to embarrass them at home.

I want unseen levels of frothing from this aB side that we saw against England in ‘95 where we will stop at nothing to smash them and send them home

@Machpants

Honestly I think DMAC should be fullback.

I don’t mind the occasional chip kick. As long as it is used sparingly as part of a varied attach to keep Ireland on the back foot and guessing what we will come up with next.

If we see to many it is because we are running out of ideas asnd he simply cannot help himself from doing them as this is his only way he can make something happen.

This was circulating social media 12 years ago...

Who got us this time?

Apparently, we don't do well as under dogs

Be afraid, All Blacks fans – New Zealand are not favoured to win a game for the first time in their Rugby World Cup history.

And starting a game as rare underdogs has not worked well for the three-time Cup winners – on the four occasions their opponents have been favoured to win, New Zealand have lost.

The All Blacks have only been underdogs in four of their 359 games since the NZ TAB first offered sports betting odds in 1996 – all of them away to the Springboks in South Africa.

@Machpants not sure TAB odds setting for the ABs are a true gauge...

So the only game we were underdogs and won was SA last year?

@voodoo Razor / Crusaders, Farrell / Ireland would have something to say about that.

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Machpants not sure TAB odds setting for the ABs are a true gauge...

So the only game we were underdogs and won was SA last year?

Nope, TAB have had abs under dogs 5 times, 4 times away versus SA and all for lost. 5th time is this game

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.

@Machpants so they had us as faves for the test we won in SA last year?

Kinda proves my point about the TAB and thier odds setting?

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Machpants so they had us as faves for the test we won in SA last year?

Kinda proves my point about the TAB and thier odds setting?

Oh correct tab always over rate the abs. Like now, no way we should be paying 2$, 4$ would be more accurate. But the of times when they say abs are going lose, like the quarters, they're right

Come on use f_ckas. Lets do this
Ah it's only Monday

@Machpants said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

But the of times when they say abs are going lose, like the quarters, they're right

in terms of that statement, surely they didnt have us as under dogs in 2007, our only 1/4 exit?

Or am I reading what you are saying wrong?

Irish proved last year stats mean jack

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

This was circulating social media 12 years ago...

Who got us this time?

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Weepu could come on off the bench as replacement prop.

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.

If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.

I hate to say it but that 3rd test against Ireland at home, series decider, to protect that record should have seen ample motivation no? Foster's ABs have just not displayed the backlash to an AB loss which we'd become used to seeing. Where was the backlash against France to getting thrashed by SA?
It will take more than frothing to beat these guys - up front they are physically our equals, motivated as fuck, and crucially far better disciplined and more cohesive - we actually need to play smart and show some patience i.e. play some territory and not think we have to come up with some piece of low percentage chip kick magic on every single play Beauden. Either that or we need a shitload of luck, as we got vs SA in NZ where every bounce of the ball and contested kick went our way. I would really far rather have the former, but figure we are relying on the latter.

@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.

If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.

Your mob were saying the same about England last go round

@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

Yeah be nice for them to be motivated to win for a change when they usually don't give a shit eh

You are spot on on this and your previous post.

Motivation isn't an issue - but if they are desperate to win or playing catch-up they can go to pieces. Try too hard and you get the Read Wild Staring Eyes nightmare again.