RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

Yeah be nice for them to be motivated to win for a change when they usually don't give a shit eh

We can talk about Foz getting them up for this, but if they come out flat that’s a massive indictment on the senior players. This may not be the 2015 crop talent-wise, but there’s a shit-ton of experience in this side. No excuses.

@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Porter got away with what would now be a clear red.

Was a clear red then.

Most important decision of the week...who do you want from this list for the game?

Cronan, Foley, Jonker or Whitehouse.

Does the TMO normally get picked in line with the ref's nationality?

So, if Cronan is picked, does that mean the ref is likely to be Gardner?

If Foley, does that mean Wayne Barnes or Luke Pearce?

If Jonker, does that mean Jaco Peyper?

Ben Whitehouse doesn't have any Welsh mates, so it will probably be Nika Amushakeli as ref.

@booboo Obviously not

@Bones

Oh geez bones. Don’t like desperation don’t like high motivation.

What do you actually want from 23 ABs on Saturday?

@voodoo yeah wont be, or shouldnt be any lacking of motivation anywhere in this squad:

For many, this could be thier last ever game in black, for Foz it could be his last match in charge.

If that doesnt get them up for it...

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Oh geez bones. Don’t like desperation don’t like high motivation.

What do you actually want from 23 ABs on Saturday?

Accuracy, discipline, and no shit dinky kicks (read beaudy pulls hammy in warm up)

@voodoo

I often think we try to be too clinical in certain games and don’t use the emotion of the occasion to feed off.

South Africa are the side that are able to lift the most through emotional energy imo.

We will both need to lift ourselves more than normal as Sa will have a hugely partisan Home crowd to try to silence. The French are in party mode and have never seen them so committed to supporting their team - it’s been great tbh.

We will clearly have a large Irish section of the crowd to contend with which will make it feel like a proper away game for us.

AB teams of old feed off going into hostile grounds and silencing the crowd with their play.

I want stunned silence in the crowd after 20 minutes.

The international careers of many ABs are on the line on Saturday
Lose and for many it will be their last game in black.
The legacy of the ABs is being eroded and they have the opportunity to stop that.
They have allowed this Irish team to embarrass them at home.

I want unseen levels of frothing from this aB side that we saw against England in ‘95 where we will stop at nothing to smash them and send them home

@Machpants

Honestly I think DMAC should be fullback.

I don’t mind the occasional chip kick. As long as it is used sparingly as part of a varied attach to keep Ireland on the back foot and guessing what we will come up with next.

If we see to many it is because we are running out of ideas asnd he simply cannot help himself from doing them as this is his only way he can make something happen.

This was circulating social media 12 years ago...

Who got us this time?

Apparently, we don't do well as under dogs

Be afraid, All Blacks fans – New Zealand are not favoured to win a game for the first time in their Rugby World Cup history.

And starting a game as rare underdogs has not worked well for the three-time Cup winners – on the four occasions their opponents have been favoured to win, New Zealand have lost.

The All Blacks have only been underdogs in four of their 359 games since the NZ TAB first offered sports betting odds in 1996 – all of them away to the Springboks in South Africa.

@Machpants not sure TAB odds setting for the ABs are a true gauge...

So the only game we were underdogs and won was SA last year?

@voodoo Razor / Crusaders, Farrell / Ireland would have something to say about that.

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Machpants not sure TAB odds setting for the ABs are a true gauge...

So the only game we were underdogs and won was SA last year?

Nope, TAB have had abs under dogs 5 times, 4 times away versus SA and all for lost. 5th time is this game

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.

@Machpants so they had us as faves for the test we won in SA last year?

Kinda proves my point about the TAB and thier odds setting?

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Machpants so they had us as faves for the test we won in SA last year?

Kinda proves my point about the TAB and thier odds setting?

Oh correct tab always over rate the abs. Like now, no way we should be paying 2$, 4$ would be more accurate. But the of times when they say abs are going lose, like the quarters, they're right

Come on use f_ckas. Lets do this
Ah it's only Monday

@Machpants said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

But the of times when they say abs are going lose, like the quarters, they're right

in terms of that statement, surely they didnt have us as under dogs in 2007, our only 1/4 exit?

Or am I reading what you are saying wrong?

Irish proved last year stats mean jack

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

This was circulating social media 12 years ago...

Who got us this time?

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Weepu could come on off the bench as replacement prop.

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.

If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.

I hate to say it but that 3rd test against Ireland at home, series decider, to protect that record should have seen ample motivation no? Foster's ABs have just not displayed the backlash to an AB loss which we'd become used to seeing. Where was the backlash against France to getting thrashed by SA?
It will take more than frothing to beat these guys - up front they are physically our equals, motivated as fuck, and crucially far better disciplined and more cohesive - we actually need to play smart and show some patience i.e. play some territory and not think we have to come up with some piece of low percentage chip kick magic on every single play Beauden. Either that or we need a shitload of luck, as we got vs SA in NZ where every bounce of the ball and contested kick went our way. I would really far rather have the former, but figure we are relying on the latter.

@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.

If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.

Your mob were saying the same about England last go round

@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

Yeah be nice for them to be motivated to win for a change when they usually don't give a shit eh

You are spot on on this and your previous post.

Motivation isn't an issue - but if they are desperate to win or playing catch-up they can go to pieces. Try too hard and you get the Read Wild Staring Eyes nightmare again.

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

This was circulating social media 12 years ago...

Who got us this time?

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Wrong pic.

That's Piri Weepu and not Beaver.

@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.

If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.

Your mob were saying the same about England last go round

That’s why I said if

Foz

"We know them pretty well, and they know us pretty well, and there's no doubt that both teams will try and surprise around the edges, but the game's going to be about discipline defensively. It's going to be about intensity at the breakdown and body height. And winning corners and stuff like that.

“Kearney was also keen to point out that Schmidt laid a lot of the foundations before Farrell took over.

"I think a lot, to be honest with you," he said when asked about how much of the bedrock was still there from the Schmidt era.

"If you remember back initially when he took over we didn’t have [forwards coach] Paul O’Connell at that stage. Paul came in and Paul was probably one of Joe’s biggest fans and, I think as a coach, learned a huge amount from Joe.

"I think he’s put into practice a lot of the habits that Joe instilled into the team and even uses some of the language that Joe used as well so I think that there has been a lot of what Joe did in his period of time that we still use.

"But obviously with Andy as head coach and Mike Catt as attack/backs coach, there has been a fair bit of tweaking as well. We play a very different game to what we played under Joe, much more I suppose ball-in-hand focused and 15-man focused.

"But just to go back to the question, certainly Paul has honestly brought a lot of what Joe brought to the team and no doubt that we benefit from that still."

@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.

If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.

Your mob were saying the same about England last go round

At least England had some ability.

Why are Wales good all of a sudden because they got out of jail vs Fiji, and smoked the worst Australian side of the modern era... lets not forget the struggles vs Portugal as well.

Argentina also have been rubbish at this WC and have benefitted majorly from a weak pool... of the two, they are more likely of upsetting the applecart in the semis, but I'd be stunned if one of NZ and Ireland aren't in the final.

@frugby a bit of confidence can do amazing things.

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby a bit of confidence can do amazing things.

Can't turn Wales into world-beaters though. I think they are unlikely to pick up their first ever win over the ABs in the Semis, and if Ireland get through, they will have the bit between their teeth.

With Cheika at the helm, Argentina are always a wildcard, but they've been rubbish this year really. I think Wales, Argentina, Fiji and England have all built their respective hype levels via the fact by far and away the four best sides on the world are on a crash course for each other. If one of those four sneaks through the back door it'll be England, but they've hardly been convincing, and will shoot themselves in the foot by shoehorning in Farrell at 12.

@Machpants

TAB pricing also reflects the knowledge that a large proportion of their Kiwi customers bet with their "hearts rather than heads". The ABs are almost always under the odds.
Go offshore if you are looking for better value.

@bayimports said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

I wouldn’t pick one Irish player in a combined NZ/Ireland Father Ted’s XV….

TBF you wouldn’t pick anyone outside of Canterbury at any time

I’m open to the odd token.

Well if it all goes belly up this week, we can all get onboard the Santner bandwagon and bring home the CWC

@voodoo said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@kiwiinmelb

Here you go

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None ruled out at this stage but Ryan and Hansen probably look the least likely

They can get the fuck out with this shit. Getting their excuses in early, trying to steal our underdog status.

We’ve sacrificed a great deal for the underdog tag, be damned if they’re taking it off us now.

Ireland are the underdogs in the RWC. Never been past the quarters. Failed 117 times. In contrast, NZ perennial winners, always in the knockouts, best in the world, Beauden Barrett, Richie McCoy aka Sam Cane, Best coach in the world, NZ thoroughbreds vs Irish mongrels, etc, etc.

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

4 things to consider:

1. Ireland have never got past qtr final stage
2. only 2 teams have ever recorded 18 wins in a row in the history of rugby.
3. Ireland have never beaten NZ at a World Cup before
4. Their former coach is now an AB coach plotting against them.

So if we lose and Ireland overcome those 4 things we retitle the Fozzie’s firsts thread to Fozzie’s Quadrella’s

I’ve been lurking on this site for 20 years and I haven’t seen this level of anxiousness before. Although when one bright spark posted that we were at peak oil it had a few nerves going…

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

4 things to consider:

1. Ireland have never got past qtr final stage
2. only 2 teams have ever recorded 18 wins in a row in the history of rugby.
3. Ireland have never beaten NZ at a World Cup before
4. Their former coach is now an AB coach plotting against them.

So if we lose and Ireland overcome those 4 things we retitle the Fozzie’s firsts thread to Fozzie’s Quadrella’s

I’ve been lurking on this site for 20 years and I haven’t seen this level of anxiousness before. Although when one bright spark posted that we were at peak oil it had a few nerves going…

1. The point of the match
2. If two have done it, why not three - same as 1 really. Too early anyway, Getting the record would be more interesting.
3. See point 1. Plus they'd never won in NZ before.
4. Look how that turned out in 2019....

@Derm-McCrum said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@voodoo said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@kiwiinmelb

Here you go

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None ruled out at this stage but Ryan and Hansen probably look the least likely

They can get the fuck out with this shit. Getting their excuses in early, trying to steal our underdog status.

We’ve sacrificed a great deal for the underdog tag, be damned if they’re taking it off us now.

Ireland are the underdogs in the RWC. Never been past the quarters. Failed 117 times. In contrast, NZ perennial winners, always in the knockouts, best in the world, Beauden Barrett, Richie McCoy aka Sam Cane, Best coach in the world, NZ thoroughbreds vs Irish mongrels, etc, etc.

:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: That is some real shenanigans, right there!

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@bayimports said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

I wouldn’t pick one Irish player in a combined NZ/Ireland Father Ted’s XV….

TBF you wouldn’t pick anyone outside of Canterbury at any time

I’m open to the odd token.

Well if it all goes belly up this week, we can all get onboard the Santner bandwagon and bring home the CWC

All you need is for Ireland do a late late call up of Jaeger this week, no token will be needed.