@Chester-Draws Yeah, trying to find the next Wayne Smith is like trying to capture lightning in a bottle.
One thing that I've noticed about guys like Wayne Smith and Joe Schmidt is that after they have had a head coach gig they prefer roles that deliver high impact in a short amount of time. They're quite different to the guys who are stuck in the "I'm a head coach and I can't be anything other than a head coach" mode.
It's hard to innovate when you are the head honcho. There's too many other demands on your time and energy.
@Chester-Draws Exactly. I suspect that's part of the reason the guys who just go from head coach job to head coach job (without taking a short term consultant type job in between) seem to run out of fresh ideas after a while. You need time away from big picture stuff to just focus on specific aspects (to refresh the mind).
I also like the type of role Smith is starting where he can rotate in and out of different team environments. It seems made for him.
@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Chester-Draws Exactly. I suspect that's part of the reason the guys who just go from head coach job to head coach job (without taking a short term consultant type job in between) seem to run out of fresh ideas after a while. You need time away from big picture stuff to just focus on specific aspects (to refresh the mind).
I also like the type of role Smith is starting where he can rotate in and out of different team environments. It seems made for him.
Some guys just seem to be deep thinkers too. Smithy has been all over the world coaching, but also seems to be very curious and thoughtful when he interviews. Grant Fox is another guy who seems to be very thoughtful. Graham Henry had success as a coach and as a mentor for the Blues
@Victor-Meldrew The idea of multiple individuals or a group would be ideal.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Bit confused over the Joe Schmidt situation, was hearing a few months ago that he would be a selector and have role with the Blues, lately it seems he is a near certainty for the Aussie job. Will be a hell of a loss if he goes.
That's a real shame - I would love for the NZRU to have the same focus on retaining our top coaching talent as well as our playing talent.
It's an odd double standard where are players are actively discouraged from going overseas while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
They are?
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Bit confused over the Joe Schmidt situation, was hearing a few months ago that he would be a selector and have role with the Blues, lately it seems he is a near certainty for the Aussie job. Will be a hell of a loss if he goes.
That's a real shame - I would love for the NZRU to have the same focus on retaining our top coaching talent as well as our playing talent.
It's an odd double standard where are players are actively discouraged from going overseas while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
I think the issue is the lack of Super Rugby coaching spots. Inevitably lots of our coaching talent have to leave if they want a bigger gig
@Windows97 Yep mate but as @canefan says, what are they going to do with the coaches, there's 5 super teams? I actually think it's good for them to coach overseas to increase their experience etc of coaching different styles of rugby . Also by them getting experience overseas etc it actually brings through more coaches.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
They are?
im assuming they mean all the talk about "international experience", razor being an obvious exception
That's a long list of staff.
2024 All Blacks Management
Scott Roberston (Head Coach)
Jason Ryan (Assistant Coach - Forwards)
Leon MacDonald (Assistant Coach - Attack)
Scott Hansen (Assistant Coach - Defence)
Jason Holland (Assistant Coach - Backs)
Tamati Ellison (Contact Skills Coach)
Wayne Smith (Performance Coach)
Jamie Hamilton (Head Performance Analyst)
Al Beeton (Assistant Performance Analyst)
Jon Gardner (Assistant Performance Analyst)
Ceri Evans (Head of Leadership + Mental Performance)
Nic Gill (Head of Performance)
Adam Hay (Performance Scientist)
Martin Swan (Doctor)
Karl McDonald (Lead Physiotherapist)
Teresa Te Tamaki (Assistant Physiotherapist)
Kat Darry (Dietician)
Paul McLaughlan (Team Manager)
Megan Compain (Commercial Manager)
James Iversen (Logistics Manager)
Matt Manukia (Communications Manager)
Note: Additional operations staff will support the Team Manager and Commercial Manager
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
That's a long list of staff.
2024 All Blacks Management
Wayne Smith (Performance Coach)
Jamie Hamilton (Head Performance Analyst)
Al Beeton (Assistant Performance Analyst)
Jon Gardner (Assistant Performance Analyst)
Ceri Evans (Head of Leadership + Mental Performance)
Nic Gill (Head of Performance)
Adam Hay (Performance Scientist)
Seven of them. So we'll soon know if the magic number is eight...
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bovidae No scrum coach?
Ryan is doing that.
How about kicking?
Holland or MacDonald I assume.
Three of the new support staff are from the Chiefs. I suppose they are doing double-duty now.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Seven of them. So we'll soon know if the magic number is eight...
That would be the Internal Coordination Performance Analyst gig which is clearly yet to be filled.
im not adverse to Schmidt not being there, in fact i do wonder about so many big names in one kitchen but as long as Razor has picked them then fingers crossed
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Wtf is a Performance Scientist?
Adam Hay is currently part of the S&C team at the Chiefs. His title there is "Head of Performance Insights". Someone must earn good money to come up with these job descriptions.
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Wtf is a Performance Scientist?
I was wondering why they need a dietician and physics and trainers? Surely one of them could tell the guys to eat pasta.
14 days later
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Given Richie Mo’unga’s move – apparently fulltime - to Japan
Nah, he's just there part-time.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@gt12 LOL at comparing Blackadder to PSDT
The state of NZ rugby media - cripes.
Good to start the year with some completely over the top Blackadder wank
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@gt12 LOL at comparing Blackadder to PSDT
The state of NZ rugby media - cripes.
Good to start the year with some completely over the top Blackadder wank
The same ones that had Clarke, based on one good game vs Oz, the best winger in the world?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@gt12 LOL at comparing Blackadder to PSDT
The state of NZ rugby media - cripes.
Jesus. I missed that.
The part about Paps is fucking laughable.
Is it perhaps likely that PSDT was running rampant as we only had 14 on the goddamn field? At the game, it was was incredibly noticeable how affected we were with one less loosie.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@gt12 LOL at comparing Blackadder to PSDT
The state of NZ rugby media - cripes.
Jesus. I missed that.
The part about Paps is fucking laughable.
Is it perhaps likely that PSDT was running rampant as we only had 14 on the goddamn field? At the game, it was was incredibly noticeable how affected we were with one less loosie.
Two, if you count 'one tackle Fizzle'
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@gt12 LOL at comparing Blackadder to PSDT
The state of NZ rugby media - cripes.
Jesus. I missed that.
The part about Paps is fucking laughable.
Is it perhaps likely that PSDT was running rampant as we only had 14 on the goddamn field? At the game, it was was incredibly noticeable how affected we were with one less loosie.
Two, if you count 'one tackle Fizzle'
That fucking guy, good fucking riddance.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@SBW1 he was given the opportunity. Didn’t want it. Said he couldn’t work with Razor.
Do you know why?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@SBW1 he was given the opportunity. Didn’t want it. Said he couldn’t work with Razor.
Do you know why?
I did a quick 5 minute google search, can't find any article to reference that quotes Schmidt as saying he couldn't work with Razor. The only thing close (not at all close) was an opinion piece by Reason who just says it but fails to back it up
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@SBW1 he was given the opportunity. Didn’t want it. Said he couldn’t work with Razor.
Do you know why?
I did a quick 5 minute google search, can't find any article to reference that quotes Schmidt as saying he couldn't work with Razor. The only thing close (not at all close) was an opinion piece by Reason who just says it but fails to back it up
yes I wondered if it was a personal remark relayed to @chchfanatic
@canefan As I recall Joe didn't say that he refused to work with Razor, but rather that he was unwilling to have discussions about being part of any future coaching team while still part of Foster's team. Idk if this is one of Joe's general principles or was just bc he didn't want to lose his focus on the then upcoming RWC.
@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan As I recall Joe didn't say that he refused to work with Razor, but rather that he was unwilling to have discussions about being part of any future coaching team while still part of Foster's team. Idk if this is one of Joe's general principles or was just bc he didn't want to lose his focus on the then upcoming RWC.
That's what I read
