Springboks

Just had a look at the squads Rassie has been selecting this year.
He’s fielded 46 players thru 9 matches.
27 are local URC team players, and 19 are foreign based players.
Quite a few foreign players; but it seems to work well.
I’d say it allows flexibility in selections, both short, and long term.

The current set up in SA pro rugby looks good.
The 4 local URC teams give them a taste of top Euro rugby. Not just of other URC teams but also through the EC, the top French and English teams.
And a foreign based legion he can call on.

Second year in a row the Lions have lost in extra time to a penalty kick.

The Springboks were awesome again. Can anyone stop this formidable team winning a third World Cup in a row?

@sparky said in Springboks:

The Springboks were awesome again. Can anyone stop this formidable team winning a third World Cup in a row?

As it stands today, only themselves.

But a lot can change.. plenty of time for another team to come good.

@W32 Maybe a really fired up full strength French team? With a lot of luck......

@sparky said in Springboks:

@W32 Maybe a really fired up full strength French team? With a lot of luck......

It’s going to be a great game. Concern is the boks are going to peak a year before the WC

@sparky said in Springboks:

The Springboks were awesome again. Can anyone stop this formidable team winning a third World Cup in a row?

Um… yes? They got thumped by an average Oz at home a month ago and a fairly average AB team stopped them two games ago.

But the World Cup is two years away. What matters now is demolishing opposition scrums, sharpening the bok attack and bringing through youngsters whilst continuing to win games. Bonus points for leaving emotional scars that can be reopened in future tests.

@sparky said in Springboks:

@W32 Maybe a really fired up full strength French team? With a lot of luck......

We will know more after the November internationals. Both teams will be eyeing that game.

France have as much firepower as the Boks. Boks stronger in the scrum, but I’d say France edge the lineout. Backrows are incredibly strong in both teams. France run off Dupont at 9, SA have SFM and Libbock pulling strings at 10. Both teams have good centre combos (Boks may edge this), but the back 3 match ups are insane.

When France get a roll on at home in front of a partisan French crowd, they play like the Boks did today.

So I don’t think luck will be the deciding factor when these two teams meet in November ️.

@Smuts said in Springboks:

@sparky said in Springboks:

The Springboks were awesome again. Can anyone stop this formidable team winning a third World Cup in a row?

Um… yes? They got thumped by an average Oz at home a month ago and a fairly average AB team stopped them two games ago.

But the World Cup is two years away. What matters now is demolishing opposition scrums, sharpening the bok attack and bringing through youngsters whilst continuing to win games. Bonus points for leaving emotional scars that can be reopened in future tests.

To negate the Boks, you need to stand up to the scrum pressure, neutralise their aerial game, kick more intelligently, make your tackles and force them to make that additional pass/offload and don’t give away penalties that allow them territory. Oh, and take your chances and make them feel the scoreboard pressure. Basically, the blueprint is what the Wallabies executed at Ellis Park this year.

The Boks have played brilliantly in the last 2 games, but the blueprint to beat them is there. It is the blueprint to beat most teams

Is it easy? No. But in a World Cup, it only takes one perfectly executed gameplan to derail 4 years of prep .

I see some Bok fans are already calling for the 2027 trophy to be given early. I know this is a vocal minority, but the thing that may ultimately trip the Boks up is having too many choices and Rassie being too cute (the Guardiola syndrome) or the players believing the hype from big wins and freezing when someone punches them in the nose on the day when they forget that wins need to be earned.

Failing that, I believe Bryce Lawrence is being brought out of retirement

@sparky said in Springboks:

@W32 Maybe a really fired up full strength French team? With a lot of luck......

The Boks should be #1 or #2 contenders at RWC but I'm actually more worried about the French than the Boks at the next RWC. I think the French could be formidable. The Boks still have some pressure points but should thank the ABs for giving them that extra shot of confidence.

And Argentina, they generally fade after the first 3-4 scrappy games. Maybe depth or conditioning.

@sparky said in Springboks:

The Springboks were awesome again. Can anyone stop this formidable team winning a third World Cup in a row?

It's not for two years.

I seem to recall other premature predictions failing to come to pass.

@booboo said in Springboks:

I seem to recall other premature predictions failing to come to pass.

This is every night with the wife.

@chimoaus can just see you yelling 4 more years in her agonized face…

@stodders said in Springboks:

@Smuts said in Springboks:

@sparky said in Springboks:

The Springboks were awesome again. Can anyone stop this formidable team winning a third World Cup in a row?

Um… yes? They got thumped by an average Oz at home a month ago and a fairly average AB team stopped them two games ago.

But the World Cup is two years away. What matters now is demolishing opposition scrums, sharpening the bok attack and bringing through youngsters whilst continuing to win games. Bonus points for leaving emotional scars that can be reopened in future tests.

To negate the Boks, you need to stand up to the scrum pressure, neutralise their aerial game, kick more intelligently, make your tackles and force them to make that additional pass/offload and don’t give away penalties that allow them territory. Oh, and take your chances and make them feel the scoreboard pressure. Basically, the blueprint is what the Wallabies executed at Ellis Park this year.

The Boks have played brilliantly in the last 2 games, but the blueprint to beat them is there. It is the blueprint to beat most teams

Is it easy? No. But in a World Cup, it only takes one perfectly executed gameplan to derail 4 years of prep .

I see some Bok fans are already calling for the 2027 trophy to be given early. I know this is a vocal minority, but the thing that may ultimately trip the Boks up is having too many choices and Rassie being too cute (the Guardiola syndrome) or the players believing the hype from big wins and freezing when someone punches them in the nose on the day when they forget that wins need to be earned.

Failing that, I believe Bryce Lawrence is being brought out of retirement

I know a lot of bok supporters think Bryce cheated that day ,

He was well known for having shit performances well before that game , he was actually being consistent that day .

@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks:

@stodders said in Springboks:

@Smuts said in Springboks:

@sparky said in Springboks:

The Springboks were awesome again. Can anyone stop this formidable team winning a third World Cup in a row?

Um… yes? They got thumped by an average Oz at home a month ago and a fairly average AB team stopped them two games ago.

But the World Cup is two years away. What matters now is demolishing opposition scrums, sharpening the bok attack and bringing through youngsters whilst continuing to win games. Bonus points for leaving emotional scars that can be reopened in future tests.

To negate the Boks, you need to stand up to the scrum pressure, neutralise their aerial game, kick more intelligently, make your tackles and force them to make that additional pass/offload and don’t give away penalties that allow them territory. Oh, and take your chances and make them feel the scoreboard pressure. Basically, the blueprint is what the Wallabies executed at Ellis Park this year.

The Boks have played brilliantly in the last 2 games, but the blueprint to beat them is there. It is the blueprint to beat most teams

Is it easy? No. But in a World Cup, it only takes one perfectly executed gameplan to derail 4 years of prep .

I see some Bok fans are already calling for the 2027 trophy to be given early. I know this is a vocal minority, but the thing that may ultimately trip the Boks up is having too many choices and Rassie being too cute (the Guardiola syndrome) or the players believing the hype from big wins and freezing when someone punches them in the nose on the day when they forget that wins need to be earned.

Failing that, I believe Bryce Lawrence is being brought out of retirement

I know a lot of bok supporters think Bryce cheated that day ,

He was well known for having shit performances well before that game , he was actually being consistent that day .

Consistently shit, yes

@stodders November tests are at France and Ireland home venues. If they cant beat the Boks at home, they will find it more difficult to do on a neutral venue in Australia.

@stodders said in Springboks:

@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks:

@stodders said in Springboks:

@Smuts said in Springboks:

@sparky said in Springboks:

The Springboks were awesome again. Can anyone stop this formidable team winning a third World Cup in a row?

Um… yes? They got thumped by an average Oz at home a month ago and a fairly average AB team stopped them two games ago.

But the World Cup is two years away. What matters now is demolishing opposition scrums, sharpening the bok attack and bringing through youngsters whilst continuing to win games. Bonus points for leaving emotional scars that can be reopened in future tests.

To negate the Boks, you need to stand up to the scrum pressure, neutralise their aerial game, kick more intelligently, make your tackles and force them to make that additional pass/offload and don’t give away penalties that allow them territory. Oh, and take your chances and make them feel the scoreboard pressure. Basically, the blueprint is what the Wallabies executed at Ellis Park this year.

The Boks have played brilliantly in the last 2 games, but the blueprint to beat them is there. It is the blueprint to beat most teams

Is it easy? No. But in a World Cup, it only takes one perfectly executed gameplan to derail 4 years of prep .

I see some Bok fans are already calling for the 2027 trophy to be given early. I know this is a vocal minority, but the thing that may ultimately trip the Boks up is having too many choices and Rassie being too cute (the Guardiola syndrome) or the players believing the hype from big wins and freezing when someone punches them in the nose on the day when they forget that wins need to be earned.

Failing that, I believe Bryce Lawrence is being brought out of retirement

I know a lot of bok supporters think Bryce cheated that day ,

He was well known for having shit performances well before that game , he was actually being consistent that day .

Consistently shit, yes

I think you mean “too unbiased”

@OomPB said in Springboks:

@stodders November tests are at France and Ireland home venues. If they cant beat the Boks at home, they will find it more difficult to do on a neutral venue in Australia.

Or they are peaking for 2027 and Tony Brown has the Boks peaking between world cups like an old school Kiwi

If Tony Brown is a sleeper agent he seems to base his role model in Rip Van Winkle.

Most Springboks will be available for their URC franchises tours in the NH this weekend. This will be good preparation for their tour in a few weeks time.

Willemse, Hooker, SMZ, Moodie, Pollard, Krappies, Bongi, vd Merwe, Boan, Koch, RG, Escom start their NH tour this weekend

This is a continuation from the Springboks v Argentina Twickenham thread.

Hadn’t realised we had been funning so much in this line of conversating.

This issue goes all the way back to the very first tour.

The 1899-1901 tour.
We had to go over there and sort the bad ass f’ing Boers out.
We thought we’d got the job done.
BUT NO.
There were no Maori on that tour; and we all know a bad ass Maori is guna kick a bad ass Boers butt any day. So, If the Maori had been there, that really would have been the end of it.

Then came the 1928 tour.
Still no Maori boys. No George Nepia.
Then the 1949 tour, no Johnny Smith.
Then the 1960 tour, no Waka Nathan.
And a host of others.
But that’s not really on the Boers tho; that’s shame, shame, shame on the Kiwis for putting up with that f’ing BS.
The mild mannered, humble, unassuming, overly polite Enzeders.

Then the 1970 and 1976 tours.
These tours were a little different.
For the first time Enzeders could actually see the absolutely BS refereeing that was being dished out to them.
Danie Craven [I was guna swear there, but I have some respect] started that gold watch crap.
That DH Louis Luyt [and I know a lot saffers even think Louis was a DH] was just carrying on one of the great Springbok rugby traditions.

Now I know all Saffers are devoutly religious, god faring folk.
So when you are whining about “rugby quotas” and the like, you have to think of it as like it’s your penance.
Penance for carrying on like DHs for a century or so.

And as for the nightmare Rassie rugby, well . . .
First of all, there would be no LIV/R360 rugby talk if it wasn’t for Rassie rugby.
And I do watch Rassie rugby, but never in real time.
Only on replay.
It’s an 80-minute game, but if Rassies involved you know it’s guna be stretched to more than a couple of hours.
When I fast-forward all Rassie’s BS, you can be all the way thru the game in 10 to 15 minutes.
Then go and find something useful to do, with all that time saved.
The worst thing tho, is when you’ve been watching on a bit of delay, and there is soooo much BS you catch up to the game in REAL TIME!
And you have to watch the last ten minutes of the game LIVE!
FUCK THAT.
Now that really is a RASSIE F’ING NIGHTMARE!

Saturday, November 1

South Africa v Japan
(Wembley Stadium, London)
Referee: Eoghan Cross (IRFU)
Assistant referees: Ben O’Keeffe (NZR) & Adam Leal (RFU)
TMO: Mike Adamson (SRU)

Saturday, November 8

France v South Africa
(Stade de France, Saint-Denis)
Referee: Angus Gardner (RA)
Assistant referees: Nika Amashukeli (GRU) & Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Ian Tempest (RFU)

Saturday, November 15

Italy v South Africa
(Allianz Stadium, Turin)
Referee: James Doleman (NZR)
Assistant referees: Ben O’Keeffe (NZR) & Jérémy Rozier (FFR)
TMO: Tual Trainini (FFR)

Saturday, November 22

Ireland v South Africa
(Aviva Stadium, Dublin)
Referee: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant referees: Karl Dickson (RFU) & Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Andrew Jackson (RFU)

Saturday, November 29

Wales v South Africa
(Principality Stadium, Cardiff)
Referee: Luc Ramos (FFR)
Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU) & Pierre Brousset (FFR)
TMO: Eric Gauzins (FFR)

@mohikamo said in Springboks:

This is a continuation from the Springboks v Argentina Twickenham thread.

Hadn’t realised we had been funning so much in this line of conversating.

This issue goes all the way back to the very first tour.

The 1899-1901 tour.
We had to go over there and sort the bad ass f’ing Boers out.
We thought we’d got the job done.
BUT NO.
There were no Maori on that tour; and we all know a bad ass Maori is guna kick a bad ass Boers butt any day. So, If the Maori had been there, that really would have been the end of it.

Then came the 1928 tour.
Still no Maori boys. No George Nepia.
Then the 1949 tour, no Johnny Smith.
Then the 1960 tour, no Waka Nathan.
And a host of others.
But that’s not really on the Boers tho; that’s shame, shame, shame on the Kiwis for putting up with that f’ing BS.
The mild mannered, humble, unassuming, overly polite Enzeders.

Then the 1970 and 1976 tours.
These tours were a little different.
For the first time Enzeders could actually see the absolutely BS refereeing that was being dished out to them.
Danie Craven [I was guna swear there, but I have some respect] started that gold watch crap.
That DH Louis Luyt [and I know a lot saffers even think Louis was a DH] was just carrying on one of the great Springbok rugby traditions.

Now I know all Saffers are devoutly religious, god faring folk.
So when you are whining about “rugby quotas” and the like, you have to think of it as like it’s your penance.
Penance for carrying on like DHs for a century or so.

And as for the nightmare Rassie rugby, well . . .
First of all, there would be no LIV/R360 rugby talk if it wasn’t for Rassie rugby.
And I do watch Rassie rugby, but never in real time.
Only on replay.
It’s an 80-minute game, but if Rassies involved you know it’s guna be stretched to more than a couple of hours.
When I fast-forward all Rassie’s BS, you can be all the way thru the game in 10 to 15 minutes.
Then go and find something useful to do, with all that time saved.
The worst thing tho, is when you’ve been watching on a bit of delay, and there is soooo much BS you catch up to the game in REAL TIME!
And you have to watch the last ten minutes of the game LIVE!
FUCK THAT.
Now that really is a RASSIE F’ING NIGHTMARE!

Uhh .. you do realize that the ABs didn’t play in South Africa until …1928. The series was drawn. Then SA went to NZ and beat the ABs in their own back yard. Tori Reid was part of the team that was thrashed 17-6 by Phil Nels springboks.
That SA team was known in NZ as the best team to ever leave NZ.

Over to you.

@mohikamo said in Springboks:

The 1899-1901 tour.

Huh?

@Nepia said in Springboks:

@mohikamo said in Springboks:

The 1899-1901 tour.

Huh?

There was this tournament joined by a number of British Colonies. But it seems the Afrikaners weren't keen on playing with the English speaking Seffricans. I believe the team representing Britain won.

@booboo said in Springboks:

@Nepia said in Springboks:

@mohikamo said in Springboks:

The 1899-1901 tour.

Huh?

There was this tournament joined by a number of British Colonies. But it seems the Afrikaners weren't keen on playing with the English speaking Seffricans. I believe the team representing Britain won.

Also, I'd suggest @W32 not take the post too seriously.

@booboo said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@Nepia said in Springboks:

@mohikamo said in Springboks:

The 1899-1901 tour.

Huh?

There was this tournament joined by a number of British Colonies. But it seems the Afrikaners weren't keen on playing with the English speaking Seffricans. I believe the team representing Britain won.

Also, I'd suggest @W32 not take the post too seriously.

Ah yes that’s right, demean a whole people, blame your losses on things like racism and crooked referees - and then pretend it’s all a joke. Of course it’s not serious.

@W32 said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@Nepia said in Springboks:

@mohikamo said in Springboks:

The 1899-1901 tour.

Huh?

There was this tournament joined by a number of British Colonies. But it seems the Afrikaners weren't keen on playing with the English speaking Seffricans. I believe the team representing Britain won.

Also, I'd suggest @W32 not take the post too seriously.

Ah yes that’s right, demean a whole people, blame your losses on things like racism and crooked referees - and then pretend it’s all a joke. Of course it’s not serious.

Dude. Chillax.

There's this thing called humour

@booboo said in Springboks:

@W32 said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@Nepia said in Springboks:

@mohikamo said in Springboks:

The 1899-1901 tour.

Huh?

There was this tournament joined by a number of British Colonies. But it seems the Afrikaners weren't keen on playing with the English speaking Seffricans. I believe the team representing Britain won.

Also, I'd suggest @W32 not take the post too seriously.

Ah yes that’s right, demean a whole people, blame your losses on things like racism and crooked referees - and then pretend it’s all a joke. Of course it’s not serious.

Dude. Chillax.

There's this thing called humour

I’m laughing on the inside

@W32 said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@W32 said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@Nepia said in Springboks:

@mohikamo said in Springboks:

The 1899-1901 tour.

Huh?

There was this tournament joined by a number of British Colonies. But it seems the Afrikaners weren't keen on playing with the English speaking Seffricans. I believe the team representing Britain won.

Also, I'd suggest @W32 not take the post too seriously.

Ah yes that’s right, demean a whole people, blame your losses on things like racism and crooked referees - and then pretend it’s all a joke. Of course it’s not serious.

Dude. Chillax.

There's this thing called humour

I’m laughing on the inside

great grandma Smuts apparently also laughed on the inside …

Had to, couldn’t get past the barbed wire & okes in red coats conned into travelling halfway round the world to fight for the wrong side.

@Smuts said in Springboks:

@W32 said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@W32 said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@booboo said in Springboks:

@Nepia said in Springboks:

@mohikamo said in Springboks:

The 1899-1901 tour.

Huh?

There was this tournament joined by a number of British Colonies. But it seems the Afrikaners weren't keen on playing with the English speaking Seffricans. I believe the team representing Britain won.

Also, I'd suggest @W32 not take the post too seriously.

Ah yes that’s right, demean a whole people, blame your losses on things like racism and crooked referees - and then pretend it’s all a joke. Of course it’s not serious.

Dude. Chillax.

There's this thing called humour

I’m laughing on the inside

great grandma Smuts apparently also laughed on the inside …

Had to, couldn’t get past the barbed wire & okes in red coats conned into travelling halfway round the world to fight for the wrong side.

This after slim Jannie tried to avoid/prevent the war. Milner wanted to crush the upstarts. Pretty cool that you are a descendant of Smuts.

@W32 you lot take it far in our past political history. I lived a few years in Riebeek Kasteel. The hometown of Smuts, Malan and Piet Spiere and his grandson PSdT.

@Smuts

Ha
That was those A hole Brits.

Kiwis know all about those fuckers.
We still pickin up the tab for the dumb ass shite those guys got up to 150 years ago.

@mohikamo same, same.

@W32 my ou Ouma was not a Smuts. She was just a young girl, like a lot of other young boer children, who was placed in a concentration camp.

Chose Smuts as a handle because it’s a nickname we used to give guys who bitched and moaned. Can’t remember why we used Smuts for whingers. But it works:

“Fucking porridge for breakfast again? Aah man, it’s cold and lumpy.” “Shut up Smuts.”

“Fucking one eyed ref screwed us again.” “Fuck off Smuts - you blew a three man overlap.”

“It’s colder than a witch’s tit. I’m freezing my ballas af.”

“Shut up Smuts, you wanted to go skiing.”

Seemed fitting as a South African joining a kiwi forum.

@OomPB asablief Oom, moenie Malan in die selle asem as Smuts, Spiere en Pieter-Stef se nie. [please don’t say Malan on the same breath as Smuts, Spiere and PSDT, UnclePB]

@Smuts Sappe vs Natte. Way back in the past. My broer het verongeluk by Kloovenburg. Vrou het gewerk by die Kelders , Piet Spiere was die voorsitter en het saam my broer gedien op die rugbyklub. Good old days.