All Blacks 2025

@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:

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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2025:

So the Eden Park record will stand for 31 years.

Well the record is going to fall one day.

The Boks will see it like a World Cup final.

Time for Razor and his team to become a win at all costs All Blacks side and protect the proud record.

I actually think the fear of losing is a decent part of the reason for Robertson's overly conservative selections, and Foster before him. It's holding us back.

AB players of the past talk about a fear of losing and upholding the AB legacy.

It’s striking a balance isn’t it? Fear of losing but going out and playing with no fear…

Defending Eden park record against the Boks is exactly the type of match for players and coaches to have for them to improve.

Where's Gilbert when you need him

@DaGrubster im sure they all know about the eden park run but we saw after the home loses to Ireland, when ardie came out and said he didn;t know we'd never load at home to them, i think the current generation of players are less about history and honour and more just about personal excellence (or when im feeling harsh, its just a job to them)....it works until you need a team to lift above themselves...i think previous generations often played better at international level where as the current one dont seem too as often

It's just depressing seeing the AB's play test after test at the graveyard of dreams/competency that is Wellington

https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/taranaki-daily-news/20241211/281891598860091 David Kirk tipped to be new Chairman of NZRU.

It's a shame the ABs aren't playing Samoa or Tonga in 2025.

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:

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Good to see Razor is a big fan of Zoolander

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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

Hoping France bring a decent squad to NZ in July.

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I hope they do send an under strength team and we pummel them.

But it's going to be embarrassing if we do lose.

France's depth is the biggest in the world, even bigger than South Africa's, IMO. If Dupont doesn't travel, his potential substitutes are all a class above most of the halfbacks in the NH, with the notable exception of Gibson-Parkes (Le Garrec, Serin, Couilloud). Where France's depth is the most impressive is in the loose forwards. There is a bunch of young, exciting players, who are or will probably be better than the current ones (Ollivon - Cros - Alldritt) : Castro-Ferreira, Gazotti, Matiu, Jegou, Boudehent are certainly going to form the French back row for the next RWC. The same could be written about many positions. The team which will play in NZ next July will be a team of no names but it will be stronger than expected by most of the Ferners.

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:

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Interesting article. And the comments section had similar sentiment to what I read on here

@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:

Good to see Razor is a big fan of Zoolander

Looks more to me like Razor impersonating Popeye impersonating Zoolander..

@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

France's depth is the biggest in the world, even bigger than South Africa's, IMO.

I’d agree with this. The JIFF-rule in the Top14 seems to have worked pretty well, their academies are quite comfortably the best-resourced in the world. Looking at the France 7s over the weekend, fringe Top14 squad players like Celian Pouzelgues and Victor Hannoun have a nicely developed skillset but they aren’t required by their XVs teams at all. That’s a luxury.

@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

There is a bunch of young, exciting players, who are or will probably be better than the current ones (Ollivon - Cros - Alldritt) : Castro-Ferreira, Gazotti, Matiu, Jegou, Boudehent are certainly going to form the French back row for the next RWC.

I myself am not quite as confident about the upcoming class of loose forwards as likely being better than their predecessors. Not just because I think that Ollivon, Cros and Aldritt were and are still very good (Aldritt will only be 30 in 2027!), but also because not all the U20 guys have performed as well as might be expected. I’ve watched a lot of Gazzotti these past months and I feel like he still has some way to go. It won’t have helped that he’s being played across the backrow from week-to-week but when watching him closely, to me it looks like he still struggles to impact the game without the ball. I’m sure he’ll get there eventually but I was honestly surprised he was called-up by Galthié this November.

Agree on Jégou, though, very good player. Excellent at linking play and at operating a lineout. France should be more than competitive in July.

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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:

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Interesting article. And the comments section had similar sentiment to what I read on here

It’s not a fair comparison - Rassie has been there 6 years. Razor’s 1st season.

Rassie has the freedom to do what he wants based on his success. Razor has been given a lot of support but has yet to build up a body of success that will allow him to do what he wants and not have any scrutiny.

Case in point, he gives the springbok captaincy to Saalman Moerat on his 7th cap. Why? It seems a crazy decision to give it to a relative unknown above more deserving Boks. They lost the game. Rassie is not questioned.

Can you imagine Razor doing that with a player of similar test caps?

Boks had quite a few injuries, have a weird 12 month season where they have to rest players due to workload as players come together from SA, Japan, Europe and they recognise they have to blood new players due to an ageing squad.

They used 9 players more than us this year? Or around 18% more. 52 in total, but have only really added Fassi as a player who has arguably taken ownership of a starting jersey.

It would be interesting stat would be the spread of minutes as opposed to just number of players. A guy like plummer being counted as a new player with like 25 seconds is not the same as a guy getting a start.

@DaGrubster I think people would have understood if he tried some of the form players in SR. Not doing so, instead picking old stagers, along with some homer picks and losing matches anyway eroded much of his goodwill

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:

It would be interesting stat would be the spread of minutes as opposed to just number of players. A guy like plummer being counted as a new player with like 25 seconds is not the same as a guy getting a start.

Likewise - only played against Japan or Fiji.

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:

It would be interesting stat would be the spread of minutes as opposed to just number of players. A guy like plummer being counted as a new player with like 25 seconds is not the same as a guy getting a start.

Yeah certainly makes Razor look better in that regard with no context involved. Guys like Bell, Proctor, Love, Lakai and Hotham barely played at all.

@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

The team which will play in NZ next July will be a team of no names but it will be stronger than expected by most of the Ferners.

Their series in Aust in 2021 was a good example of that. The pressure will be all on the ABs.

I not huge fan of Razor or otherwise, he's got the job (like Foster before) so has my complete support. The one thing I will say about his so called sticking with old players, I would of picked both Cane and TJ myself, this crap about just building for WCs, I personally disagree with. If it's a test match where possible put the players on field you think will win the game. Age old or young shouldn't come into it, what a player will contribute towards winning said test should be the marker!

@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

@DaGrubster I think people would have understood if he tried some of the form players in SR. Not doing so, instead picking old stagers, along with some homer picks and losing matches anyway eroded much of his goodwill

I agree. Players like Sititi/Lakai, Tosi Darry to a lesser extent, have shown that super rugby does produce players who can excel at test rugby. We need to put more faith into it and not get hung up on experience for experience sake.

Razor went down the experience route this year. I hope he has seen he can put his trust into younger players next year.

Perhaps one of the reasons for Rassie using more players is that he could afford to as they had an easier year of fixtures than the All Blacks

@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:

I not huge fan of Razor or otherwise, he's got the job (like Foster before) so has my complete support. The one thing I will say about his so called sticking with old players, I would of picked both Cane and TJ myself, this crap about just building for WCs, I personally disagree with. If it's a test match where possible put the players on field you think will win the game. Age old or young shouldn't come into it, what a player will contribute towards winning said test should be the marker!

I can see why he wanted to pick certain players such as TJ and Cane.

Cane to a lesser extent because he hadn’t played since February with a back injury but he was in and around the squad at Razor’s first squad naming which may have made it harder for Scott Barrett to put his own stamp on the team as
Captain.

Both have now gone and the only real veterans are Taylor and B Barrett

Taylor has proved his worth this year and we should have 3 world class hookers in the squad next year barring injury.

I agree with your sentiment about winning test match now. Winning test matches creates a positive team culture and with rugby being so attritional, there will always be a need for a large squad to cover injuries and workload.

Razor hasn’t been as good as I expected him to be. We saw how good his team can be at times and I am looking for him to now kick on and see the ABs improve next year in Razors second year.

@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:

this crap about just building for WCs, I personally disagree with

as I expect many do, sadly, it is a reality of where the game is at currently, and has been for some time now, so does need to be a focus.

I'd take the 'choker' tag of winning everything in between RWCs that losing all sorts of random games we shouldnt lose, vs winning the RWC.

@taniwharugby does it have to be a choice? Want cake and eat it.

@Machpants Interesting how the article goes from a analysis of Razors selections to a highly specific analysis on Jordie Barrett's 40 minutes of game time for Leinster - perhaps something more relevant to Holland & his ingame tactics?.

On that topic, it is lovely to watch Jordie showing what he really can offer - after a tough ABs season of pretty much exclusively running hard straight lines with Rieko on his shoulder doing the exact same thing, his distribution was not something that shone through

My disappointment with Razor is that he has a full 12 months between finishing up at the Crusaders and starting the ABs job

I was hoping that unprecedented lead in time would mean he would hit the ground running more than he has in terms of selection.

He has selected the squad as if he got thrown the job on short notice straight off the back of a Super Rugby campaign.

"Razor has been selecting players he knows"

Well what was he doing for 12 months between finishing up at the Crusaders and starting the ABs.

He had 12 months to try and learn as much as possible about other franchises and what they do.

I'm sceptical that much is going to change in year 2.

@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:

I not huge fan of Razor or otherwise, he's got the job (like Foster before) so has my complete support. The one thing I will say about his so called sticking with old players, I would of picked both Cane and TJ myself, this crap about just building for WCs, I personally disagree with.

but it wasn't just that for WC-building, but beyond this year! And Cane came back from Japan so really got a special gold card entry into the team! Were the Cane and TJP picks the best for this year, looking back? Sounds like the beginning of a hotly contested Fern thread. But they certainly are not helping 2025 All Blacks..

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:

I not huge fan of Razor or otherwise, he's got the job (like Foster before) so has my complete support. The one thing I will say about his so called sticking with old players, I would of picked both Cane and TJ myself, this crap about just building for WCs, I personally disagree with.

but it wasn't just that for WC-building, but beyond this year! And Cane came back from Japan so really got a special gold card entry into the team! Were the Cane and TJP picks the best for this year, looking back? Sounds like the beginning of a hotly contested Fern thread. But they certainly are not helping 2025 All Blacks..

Agree they not helping 2025 ABs, except to perhaps help with bringing young fellas through. But not their job, their job was to do what they could to help the 2024 team win tests. See what concerns me is the idea if a player is retiring at end of this or next year we decide not to pick him, that is not how it should ever be.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:

My disappointment with Razor is that he has a full 12 months between finishing up at the Crusaders and starting the ABs job

I was hoping that unprecedented lead in time would mean he would hit the ground running more than he has in terms of selection.

He has selected the squad as if he got thrown the job on short notice straight off the back of a Super Rugby campaign.

"Razor has been selecting players he knows"

Well what was he doing for 12 months between finishing up at the Crusaders and starting the ABs.

He had 12 months to try and learn as much as possible about other franchises and what they do.

I'm sceptical that much is going to change in year 2.

100% this

ive also seen the comments about not having scouted people and so playing it safe and was thinking to myself WTF had he been doing? Hell, if local club teams scout their opposition then i would expect he would have all the top players in NZ already scouted when he was crusader coach let alone the time in between gigs

There might be some cheap used Ford Rangers on the market soon. Ford is ending their sponsorship.

Ford confirmed the end of its New Zealand rugby sponsorship, stating, "We are incredibly proud to have been a sponsor of the All Blacks and NZ Rugby for over 30 years. However, the decision has been made to conclude our partnership in 2025." They expressed disappointment at the separation but reflected positively on their experience, acknowledging the strong relationships forged with athletes and fans alike. In their farewell, Ford assured support for players during the transition period.

@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

There might be some cheap used Ford Rangers on the market soon. Ford is ending their sponsorship.

Ford confirmed the end of its New Zealand rugby sponsorship, stating, "We are incredibly proud to have been a sponsor of the All Blacks and NZ Rugby for over 30 years. However, the decision has been made to conclude our partnership in 2025." They expressed disappointment at the separation but reflected positively on their experience, acknowledging the strong relationships forged with athletes and fans alike. In their farewell, Ford assured support for players during the transition period.

So, this extra revenue from Silverlake is probably just consultants telling the NZRU to shake down sponsors. If it works, they could land some really big names; let's hope they don't chase away the firms that had a commitment to the team (brand).

@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:

I not huge fan of Razor or otherwise, he's got the job (like Foster before) so has my complete support. The one thing I will say about his so called sticking with old players, I would of picked both Cane and TJ myself, this crap about just building for WCs, I personally disagree with.

but it wasn't just that for WC-building, but beyond this year! And Cane came back from Japan so really got a special gold card entry into the team! Were the Cane and TJP picks the best for this year, looking back? Sounds like the beginning of a hotly contested Fern thread. But they certainly are not helping 2025 All Blacks..

Agree they not helping 2025 ABs, except to perhaps help with bringing young fellas through. But not their job, their job was to do what they could to help the 2024 team win tests. See what concerns me is the idea if a player is retiring at end of this or next year we decide not to pick him, that is not how it should ever be.

There's is now way we needed cane and TJ versus Italy. That is indefensible apart from sentiment

@gt12 so Ford & Steinlager moving on, or Silverlake moving them on?

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:

I not huge fan of Razor or otherwise, he's got the job (like Foster before) so has my complete support. The one thing I will say about his so called sticking with old players, I would of picked both Cane and TJ myself, this crap about just building for WCs, I personally disagree with.

but it wasn't just that for WC-building, but beyond this year! And Cane came back from Japan so really got a special gold card entry into the team! Were the Cane and TJP picks the best for this year, looking back? Sounds like the beginning of a hotly contested Fern thread. But they certainly are not helping 2025 All Blacks..

Agree they not helping 2025 ABs, except to perhaps help with bringing young fellas through. But not their job, their job was to do what they could to help the 2024 team win tests. See what concerns me is the idea if a player is retiring at end of this or next year we decide not to pick him, that is not how it should ever be.

There's is now way we needed cane and TJ versus Italy. That is indefensible apart from sentiment

It's bonkers, and we wonder why players continue to leave NZ rugby.

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:

@gt12 so Ford & Steinlager moving on, or Silverlake moving them on?

Better not be replace by Chevrolet and miller lite!

@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:

@gt12 so Ford & Steinlager moving on, or Silverlake moving them on?

Better not be replace by Chevrolet and miller lite!

Ugh

@DaGrubster Cadillac and Budweiser!

Bud Light

@booboo

I actually heard Razor is pushing for the ABs to be sponsored by Canterbury Drought and Canterbury Clothing, hence Steinlager pulling the pin because they are feeling they are not getting a decent opportunity to show what they can do. Adidas are getting the jitters because Ryan feels fat in their clothes and is more comfortable wearing CCC. And Hansen hates Rangers and loves motorbikes, so the ABs will be riding around on Britten's soon.

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:

I not huge fan of Razor or otherwise, he's got the job (like Foster before) so has my complete support. The one thing I will say about his so called sticking with old players, I would of picked both Cane and TJ myself, this crap about just building for WCs, I personally disagree with.

but it wasn't just that for WC-building, but beyond this year! And Cane came back from Japan so really got a special gold card entry into the team! Were the Cane and TJP picks the best for this year, looking back? Sounds like the beginning of a hotly contested Fern thread. But they certainly are not helping 2025 All Blacks..

I think Cane especially was like Henry bringing the Suitcase back into the team as much for his value off the field. But, Cane actually did a fairly decent job on the field this year if anti-Cane blinkers are removed.

@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

There might be some cheap used Ford Rangers on the market soon. Ford is ending their sponsorship.

Ford confirmed the end of its New Zealand rugby sponsorship, stating, "We are incredibly proud to have been a sponsor of the All Blacks and NZ Rugby for over 30 years. However, the decision has been made to conclude our partnership in 2025." They expressed disappointment at the separation but reflected positively on their experience, acknowledging the strong relationships forged with athletes and fans alike. In their farewell, Ford assured support for players during the transition period.

Plummer, Sotutu, Stevenson, Ford. What wont Razor chase away?