Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA

@Canes4life said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

Looking to the Champions Trophy, who's our starting side based on these games? I'm tempted to open with Ravindra and Conway. Drop the out of form Latham and move Young down to four. Conway can keep. Or move Conway down to four so we open with a right hand / left hand combination.

We should go with the below.

1. Conway (WK)
2. Ravindra
3. Williamson
4. Young
5. Mitchell
6. Phillips
7. Bracewell
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Sears
11. O'Rourke

Looks good aside from what I’ve bolded. He’s just got his first decent score in yonks. Do we want to put that burden on him too ?

Ferguson will play ahead of Sears if fit, but I doubt they can risk him with the hamstring injury.

@MN5 said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@Canes4life said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

Looking to the Champions Trophy, who's our starting side based on these games? I'm tempted to open with Ravindra and Conway. Drop the out of form Latham and move Young down to four. Conway can keep. Or move Conway down to four so we open with a right hand / left hand combination.

We should go with the below.

1. Conway (WK)
2. Ravindra
3. Williamson
4. Young
5. Mitchell
6. Phillips
7. Bracewell
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Sears
11. O'Rourke

Looks good aside from what I’ve bolded. He’s just got his first decent score in yonks. Do we want to put that burden on him too ?

It's either include him as a batsman/keeper, or drop him/Young and keep Latham.

@Canes4life said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@MN5 said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@Canes4life said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

Looking to the Champions Trophy, who's our starting side based on these games? I'm tempted to open with Ravindra and Conway. Drop the out of form Latham and move Young down to four. Conway can keep. Or move Conway down to four so we open with a right hand / left hand combination.

We should go with the below.

1. Conway (WK)
2. Ravindra
3. Williamson
4. Young
5. Mitchell
6. Phillips
7. Bracewell
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Sears
11. O'Rourke

Looks good aside from what I’ve bolded. He’s just got his first decent score in yonks. Do we want to put that burden on him too ?

It's either include him as a batsman/keeper, or drop him/Young and keep Latham.

Yeah when those are the alternatives perhaps you have a point.

It's almost like they should have taken a punt on Hay.....

How long is Ravindra injured for? Conway was at his worst once he hit 70ish whether it was nerves approaching 100 or he realized his appalling calling almost got Kane out, his nerves came back. Looked very awkward from then on.

Still better than Latham at the moment. Geez, has anyone done last 10 innings for Latham in all formats, I suspect he doesn't average 10 across them

Latham, hope youre reading this lol

The last thing NZ should do is give the gloves to Conway,He is just sorting out that footwork and has some runs under his belt.
Throwing 50 overs at him as WK is not what he needs,He needs to build on that innings concentrate on that not drain him in the field for 50 overs in the heat, then expect him to open the batting and score runs.
That would be a very poor selection.

@Chris agree completely. He'll never have the footwork of someone like Kane but he was moving his feet more than I have seem him in a long time last night, great to see. I opined when he was selected that hopefully the shorter forms will force him into a more positive mindset and that seemed to be the case, albeit against a pretty poor bowling lineup. But the innings should do him a world of good.

@Chris said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

The last thing NZ should do is give the gloves to Conway,He is just sorting out that footwork and has some runs under his belt.
Throwing 50 overs at him as WK is not what he needs,He needs to build on that innings concentrate on that not drain him in the field for 50 overs in the heat, then expect him to open the batting and score runs.
That would be a very poor selection.

Who keeps then ?

@bayimports said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

How long is Ravindra injured for? Conway was at his worst once he hit 70ish whether it was nerves approaching 100 or he realized his appalling calling almost got Kane out, his nerves came back. Looked very awkward from then on.

Still better than Latham at the moment. Geez, has anyone done last 10 innings for Latham in all formats, I suspect he doesn't average 10 across them

Latham, hope youre reading this lol

His dismissal was unlucky, he hit the shit out of that cut. Problem was he hit it directly to the fieldsman
Hopefully he has gained alot of confidence

@KiwiMurph said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

It's almost like they should have taken a punt on Hay.....

They've got no choice but to just hope like hell Latham finds form now, omitting Hay was just another stupid, overly conservative decision, very frustrating.

@Canes4life said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

Looking to the Champions Trophy, who's our starting side based on these games? I'm tempted to open with Ravindra and Conway. Drop the out of form Latham and move Young down to four. Conway can keep. Or move Conway down to four so we open with a right hand / left hand combination.

We should go with the below.

1. Conway (WK)
2. Ravindra
3. Williamson
4. Young
5. Mitchell
6. Phillips
7. Bracewell
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Sears
11. O'Rourke

As honking as Conway taking the gloves is, I'd argue squeezing Young in at 4 and shifting Mitchell down is worse.

That guys is cricket's answer to David Havili. A solid player, able to fill many roles, but ultimately one who goes missing when the heat really comes on.

Across 31 Test Innings against AUS/SA/IND/ENG he has 3 scores above 60
Across 9 ODI Innings against AUS/SA/IND/ENG he has a high score of 33

@Virgil you definitely gain confidence just by staying in the middle, but often in games when youre out of form you hit good shots to fielders anyway, I agree just hope he focuses on the earlier part of his innings with him, rather than the end

@MN5 said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@Chris said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

The last thing NZ should do is give the gloves to Conway,He is just sorting out that footwork and has some runs under his belt.
Throwing 50 overs at him as WK is not what he needs,He needs to build on that innings concentrate on that not drain him in the field for 50 overs in the heat, then expect him to open the batting and score runs.
That would be a very poor selection.

Who keeps then ?

Latham he kept well in this game v SA.
They have to back him like they did with Conway and he scored runs again.Latham is one of our best players of Spin we have,Batting at 5 will suit him,7 one day 100s is hard to throw away.
Every one has form dips, at the moment Ravindra is losing his head once he score 25/30 and gets out But back him as well.Young is back to losing his off stump and is getting in trouble the last 2 games.
Back the experience if it's proven.
Especially going in to the champions trophy,If Latham and some others need replacing do it in the next series that doesn't mean as much.
On another note I expect to see Matt Boyle in this team soon a great 131 v Wellington in the Ford Trophy the other day.To back up a very good 20/20 comp as leading run scorer.
He is one of the hardest and cleanest hitters I have seen to come out of NZ along with Jacobs.

@bayimports said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

Still better than Latham at the moment. Geez, has anyone done last 10 innings for Latham in all formats, I suspect he doesn't average 10 across them

cricinfo does a rolling last 10 matches in each player's profile:

For international innings, it is:

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Latham is this years Southee, there on reputation and doing his overall record no good by hanging around

one 50+ score in there (so better than I remembered), would I be right in saying though he hasnt hit triple figures anywhere in internationals since that massive 200 odd 3 years+ ago (sorry should search myself lol)
I hope he finds some form again, but it looks pretty bad right now

@frugby said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@Canes4life said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

Looking to the Champions Trophy, who's our starting side based on these games? I'm tempted to open with Ravindra and Conway. Drop the out of form Latham and move Young down to four. Conway can keep. Or move Conway down to four so we open with a right hand / left hand combination.

We should go with the below.

1. Conway (WK)
2. Ravindra
3. Williamson
4. Young
5. Mitchell
6. Phillips
7. Bracewell
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Sears
11. O'Rourke

As honking as Conway taking the gloves is, I'd argue squeezing Young in at 4 and shifting Mitchell down is worse.

That guys is cricket's answer to David Havili. A solid player, able to fill many roles, but ultimately one who goes missing when the heat really comes on.

Across 31 Test Innings against AUS/SA/IND/ENG he has 3 scores above 60
Across 9 ODI Innings against AUS/SA/IND/ENG he has a high score of 33

Dave is a lot more successful at cricket than rugby, who knew!

@Chris said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

On another note I expect to see Matt Boyle in this team soon a great 131 v Wellington in the Ford Trophy the other day.To back up a very good 20/20 comp as leading run scorer.
He is one of the hardest and cleanest hitters I have seen to come out of NZ along with Jacobs.

Agree. I was impressed with him during the 20/20 season. If he has the doggedness of his uncle Dave to go with his hitting ability he could turn out to be a very good player.

By my standards I watched quite a bit of the 20/20 this year. I was heartened by some of the young talent coming through. I think we have some good players in the pipeline.

@Crazy-Horse said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@Chris said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

On another note I expect to see Matt Boyle in this team soon a great 131 v Wellington in the Ford Trophy the other day.To back up a very good 20/20 comp as leading run scorer.
He is one of the hardest and cleanest hitters I have seen to come out of NZ along with Jacobs.

Agree. I was impressed with him during the 20/20 season. If he has the doggedness of his uncle Dave to go with his hitting ability he could turn out to be a very good player.

By my standards I watched quite a bit of the 20/20 this year. I was heartened by some of the young talent coming through. I think we have some good players in the pipeline.

Yeah I agree a bit of talent coming through.

@Bones said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@frugby said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@Canes4life said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

Looking to the Champions Trophy, who's our starting side based on these games? I'm tempted to open with Ravindra and Conway. Drop the out of form Latham and move Young down to four. Conway can keep. Or move Conway down to four so we open with a right hand / left hand combination.

We should go with the below.

1. Conway (WK)
2. Ravindra
3. Williamson
4. Young
5. Mitchell
6. Phillips
7. Bracewell
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Sears
11. O'Rourke

As honking as Conway taking the gloves is, I'd argue squeezing Young in at 4 and shifting Mitchell down is worse.

That guys is cricket's answer to David Havili. A solid player, able to fill many roles, but ultimately one who goes missing when the heat really comes on.

Across 31 Test Innings against AUS/SA/IND/ENG he has 3 scores above 60
Across 9 ODI Innings against AUS/SA/IND/ENG he has a high score of 33

Dave is a lot more successful at cricket than rugby, who knew!

What’s the Rugby equivalent of 200 on debut ? Did Havilli manage that ?

Can we get some other equally ridiculous sporting comparisons while we’re at it ?

Live stream - Pak v SA - winner plays NZ in the Final on Friday night -

South Africa miss another final and cant defend 350, good confidence builder for PAK or NZ winning the final

Live | Pakistan vs New Zealand | ODI FINAL

1 Devon Conway, 2 Will Young, 3 Kane Williamson, 4 Daryl Mitchell, 5 Tom Latham (wk), 6 Glenn Phillips, 7 Michael Bracewell, 8 Mitchell Santner (capt), 9 Jacob Duffy, 10 Nathan Smith, 11 Will O'Rourke

No Henry, no Sears - not desperate to win this one - though, I'm far from convinced Henry, Sears, O'Rourke is our best ODI pace trio. Henry definitely is.

@Chris-B Ben Sears has been ruled out of the tournament due to a hamstring injury.
He is replaced in the Champions Trophy squad by Jacob Duffy.

@Daffy-Jaffy Aha - hadn't heard that, but actually, I'm not too disappointed.

I'm inclined to think Duffy is a better option at present.

@Chris-B That info was from @1kiwi in the Champions Trophy thread below. I agree, I also think Duffy is a better fit.

46/2 after 8.3 overs.

If you can assume this is another 300+ pitch, that's a good start.

Babar Azam out to a simple caught and bowled by Smith. Babar looked a bit perplexed that it happened.

57/3

57/3 after 13 and we're on top!

122/3 after 30.

We're on top, but a good time to use the pressure to grab a couple of wickets.

165/5 after 38.

Still travelling well.

Santner and Bracewell very economical... so far!

Never in doubt.

I can’t believe I’m the first to comment on this win at 8.47am.

Sounds like Mitchell, the much maligned Devon Conway and the even more maligned Tom Latham ( @Virgil would struggle to get his latest score ) got them home. Top stuff.

Is Latham's funk over? Great bowling figures from Santner.

It would be just like NZ to lose the game to Pakistan that really matters.

@Bovidae said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

Is Latham's funk over? Great bowling figures from Santner.

It would be just like NZ to lose the game to Pakistan that really matters.

One top game does not indicate a trend

@canefan said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@Bovidae said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

Is Latham's funk over? Great bowling figures from Santner.

It would be just like NZ to lose the game to Pakistan that really matters.

One top game does not indicate a trend

indicates Latham stood up and helped get us home.Good to see him get some runs under pressure.
Experience counts sometimes.

@Chris said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@canefan said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

@Bovidae said in Tri Series PAK/NZ/SA:

Is Latham's funk over? Great bowling figures from Santner.

It would be just like NZ to lose the game to Pakistan that really matters.

One top game does not indicate a trend

indicates Latham stood up and helped get us home.Good to see him get some runs under pressure.
Experience counts sometimes.

Don't get me wrong, it's great to see the likes of Tom and Devon in the runs. We need them firing if we have a chance to win the trophy