@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
At this stage of his career Abbas looks like a player who can give you a small number of overs bowling in limited overs formats rather than a genuine allrounder
So according to BC selectors a fully fledged all rounder then
Yeah I feel like we're in more trouble than it looks on the scorecard, since Abbas (or another part timer) has to bowl about a quarter of the remaining overs.
I don't know what the selectors are thinking - maybe he bowled more in the one day or plunket shield, but when I watched him play T20 his bowling was very much handy 6th option rather than core bowler.
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Yeah I feel like we're in more trouble than it looks on the scorecard, since Abbas (or another part timer) has to bowl about a quarter of the remaining overs.
I don't know what the selectors are thinking - maybe he bowled more in the one day or plunket shield, but when I watched him play T20 his bowling was very much handy 6th option rather than core bowler.
Babar Azam has an extraordinary record in this form of the game. Getting him is key. Bowling options are looking a bit light.
All over, Pakistan all out for 271.
Better than I thought they'd get. Should encourage them to be competitive for the next couple of games.
Fuck i gotta stop checking the score on cricinfo, been in twice and each time we lost a wicket.
can someone else take a look please...
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Fuck i gotta stop checking the score on cricinfo, been in twice and each time we lost a wicket.
can someone else take a look please...
95/2 after 14
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@booboo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls 19*
Good Mitch 16*theres a bad Mitch?
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@canefan cheers, makes sense now.
Son Mitch = Great
Dad Mitch = Cockwomble who didn't pick CC for the 2003 RWCsome reason i was assuming Bad Mitch was Satnav (who i know the fern loves very much)
Satnav was not liked, but after his heroics in India he is reborn
BCs now 102/4 off 17 overs. Bracewell and Abbas will need to form a partnership here to ensure we aren't bowled out for a miserable total.
Abbas finding out about the highs and lows of cricket at this level.
What a contrast from a few days ago.
Not a huge amount of batting in the shed. Important partnership !
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Abbas finding out about the highs and lows of cricket at this level.
What a contrast from a few days ago.
Not a huge amount of batting in the shed. Important partnership !
Based on our start he couldn't really go hard. Giving his wicket away cheaply would have been a silly move. He's got runs on the board which at this stage of the game, is most important.
@Canes4life said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Abbas finding out about the highs and lows of cricket at this level.
What a contrast from a few days ago.
Not a huge amount of batting in the shed. Important partnership !
Based on our start he couldn't really go hard. Giving his wicket away cheaply would have been a silly move. He's got runs on the board which at this stage of the game, is most important.
Yeah I think that's exactly what I meant, you may have worded it better.
The score still looks far too 1980s at the moment, time for them to have a swing.
Also, who is Rhys Mariu ?
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Also, who is Rhys Mariu ?
young batter, possibly our future Test opener.
Good innings from Mitch Hay here, critical he keeps going
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@canefan cheers, makes sense now.
Son Mitch = Great
Dad Mitch = Cockwomble who didn't pick CC for the 2003 RWCsome reason i was assuming Bad Mitch was Satnav (who i know the fern loves very much)
I love the interview where Son Mitch said he was furious and refused to speak to Dad Mitch after he left CC out of the squad. Great that he even copped it from his own son for that.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@canefan cheers, makes sense now.
Son Mitch = Great
Dad Mitch = Cockwomble who didn't pick CC for the 2003 RWCsome reason i was assuming Bad Mitch was Satnav (who i know the fern loves very much)
I love the interview where Son Mitch said he was furious and refused to speak to Dad Mitch after he left CC out of the squad. Great that he even copped it from his own son for that.
so he fucken should!
Nice to see Hay showing what he can do
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@canefan cheers, makes sense now.
Son Mitch = Great
Dad Mitch = Cockwomble who didn't pick CC for the 2003 RWCsome reason i was assuming Bad Mitch was Satnav (who i know the fern loves very much)
I love the interview where Son Mitch said he was furious and refused to speak to Dad Mitch after he left CC out of the squad. Great that he even copped it from his own son for that.
so he fucken should!
Nice to see Hay showing what he can do
99 not out. Bugger !
Nice recovery from a bad position though. A more than defendable total
Just on the confusing Mitch situation, Santner is THE greatest one that's ever lived after his efforts in the test series in India.
You could combine Starc, Johnson and Marsh across the ditch and they wouldn't be close.
Bloody hell just put the poor bloke out of his misery before he gets hurt. An in swinging yorker should do the job.
Sears reaping the rewards, both Salman and Rizwan hole out. This is a real hiding so far, Pakistan will be wishing this was the last ODI.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sears reaping the rewards, both Salman and Rizwan hole out. This is a real hiding so far, Pakistan will be wishing this was the last ODI.
Yeah they gave the BCs a bit of a scare last time out but this is a hiding, they will be lucky to get 100
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@canefan cheers, makes sense now.
Son Mitch = Great
Dad Mitch = Cockwomble who didn't pick CC for the 2003 RWCsome reason i was assuming Bad Mitch was Satnav (who i know the fern loves very much)
I love the interview where Son Mitch said he was furious and refused to speak to Dad Mitch after he left CC out of the squad. Great that he even copped it from his own son for that.
Look he's a great player, but I can't be alone in thinking Caleb Clarke was a bit raw still in '03?
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Abbas finding out about the highs and lows of cricket at this level.
What a contrast from a few days ago.
Huh? What happened?
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Abbas finding out about the highs and lows of cricket at this level.
What a contrast from a few days ago.
Huh? What happened?
Quickfire innings vs dogged innings
In other Black Caps news. South African white ball coach Rob Walter has resigned. Citing the travel stress of having to go between NZ and South Africa.
Stead's contract is up in June. Potentially a ready made replacement for the white ball teams. Hos record was alright, however he barely had his best team apart from major tournaments when South Africa quite well.
Couple of statistical oddities from last nights win
Hay's 99* is the first from a Black Cap in an ODI since Bruce Edgars waaay back in 1981
And i wonder how often would all 10 wickets fall caught behind the wicket in an ODI the way Pakistan's did last night?
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Couple of statistical oddities from last nights win
Hay's 99* is the first from a Black Cap in an ODI since Bruce Edgars waaay back in 1981And i wonder how often would all 10 wickets fall caught behind the wicket in an ODI the way Pakistan's did last night?
I’m amazed Edgar scored quick enough to even get to 99 after 50 overs
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Couple of statistical oddities from last nights win
Hay's 99* is the first from a Black Cap in an ODI since Bruce Edgars waaay back in 1981And i wonder how often would all 10 wickets fall caught behind the wicket in an ODI the way Pakistan's did last night?
I’m amazed Edgar scored quick enough to even get to 99 after 50 overs
There was a stat the other day highlighting how Good Mitch has the most ODI runs after 50 matches
in 5th place was ole Brucie
Edit: Found it
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Couple of statistical oddities from last nights win
Hay's 99* is the first from a Black Cap in an ODI since Bruce Edgars waaay back in 1981And i wonder how often would all 10 wickets fall caught behind the wicket in an ODI the way Pakistan's did last night?
I’m amazed Edgar scored quick enough to even get to 99 after 50 overs
There was a stat the other day highlighting how Good Mitch has the most ODI runs after 50 matches
in 5th place was ole BrucieEdit: Found it
It wasn't necessarily a dig, Edgar came and spoke to us at school once, awesome bloke. I loved the fact a guy from Wellington played for NZ and took the time to see us kids.
Different times but as as Jeff Thomson apparently sledged him once he would "never die of a stroke" !
Strike rate of 49 in ODIs.
I'm also REALLY surprised KW, Taylor and Crowe aren't on that list.
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Couple of statistical oddities from last nights win
Hay's 99* is the first from a Black Cap in an ODI since Bruce Edgars waaay back in 1981And i wonder how often would all 10 wickets fall caught behind the wicket in an ODI the way Pakistan's did last night?
I’m amazed Edgar scored quick enough to even get to 99 after 50 overs
There was a stat the other day highlighting how Good Mitch has the most ODI runs after 50 matches
in 5th place was ole BrucieEdit: Found it
It wasn't necessarily a dig, Edgar came and spoke to us at school once, awesome bloke. I loved the fact a guy from Wellington played for NZ and took the time to see us kids.
Different times but as as Jeff Thomson apparently sledged him once he would "never die of a stroke" !
Strike rate of 49 in ODIs.
I'm also REALLY surprised KW, Taylor and Crowe aren't on that list.
Crowe had scored 1413 runs @ 33
Kane had scored 1409 runs @ 36
Roscoe scored 1330 runs @36
so neither of them were great starters early in their ODI careers.
all turned out pretty handy though i suppose.
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Couple of statistical oddities from last nights win
Hay's 99* is the first from a Black Cap in an ODI since Bruce Edgars waaay back in 1981And i wonder how often would all 10 wickets fall caught behind the wicket in an ODI the way Pakistan's did last night?
I’m amazed Edgar scored quick enough to even get to 99 after 50 overs
There was a stat the other day highlighting how Good Mitch has the most ODI runs after 50 matches
in 5th place was ole BrucieEdit: Found it
It wasn't necessarily a dig, Edgar came and spoke to us at school once, awesome bloke. I loved the fact a guy from Wellington played for NZ and took the time to see us kids.
Different times but as as Jeff Thomson apparently sledged him once he would "never die of a stroke" !
Strike rate of 49 in ODIs.
I'm also REALLY surprised KW, Taylor and Crowe aren't on that list.
Crowe had scored 1413 runs @ 33
Kane had scored 1409 runs @ 36
Roscoe scored 1330 runs @36so neither of them were great starters early in their ODI careers.
all turned out pretty handy though i suppose.
Yep, 3-5 in an all time test team and ODI team.
Mitchell making a claim though
Kane ODI by 50 game chunk
50: 1409 at 36.12
51-100: 2558 at 55.61
101-150: 2187 at 49.70
151-173: 1081 at 60.06
Mitchell's run total is very impressive given he isn't guaranteed to get enough time at the crease to build an innings.
Neither Crowe, Taylor or Williamson had amazing starts to their Test careers either.
After 10 tests Crowe only averaged 20.68, (after 24 tests he still only averaged 34.23)
After 18 tests Williamson only averaged 32.71
After 14 tests Taylor only averaged 34.48
if any of them were English they probably wouldnt have played any more then they did.
