@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@gt12 as a replacement or starter?
Two off the bench
Post edited accordingly
@gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@gt12 as a replacement or starter?
Two off the bench
Post edited accordingly
So either start him and replace him at halftime, or bring him off the bench in the 79th minute. Problem solved.
@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@gt12 as a replacement or starter?
Two off the bench
Post edited accordinglySo either start him and replace him at halftime, or bring him off the bench in the 79th minute. Problem solved.
His YC per minute played stat would be fun to calculate
@ploughboy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
a least one YC a team one? might have been two
Against England it was a tackle off the ball Iām pretty sure, just stupid from someone who should know better (and weād already had a penalty against us).
@ploughboy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
a least one YC a team one? might have been two
Against Italy, he was co-captain I believe , we were on a warning and he ripped the ball after being told to let it go by the ref.
Barrett also got a Yc in that game I think.
The thread is a good read.
@ploughboy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
a least one YC a team one? might have been two
Against Oz, I cant remember and the thread isnāt much help 
Quite some discussion of his lack of leadership though
It was for hands in the ruck, according to the newspaper.
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Chris-B
Yeah I'd be stunned if it wasn't Jordie and RIeko.
I am kinda shocked by PUJ's versus Rieko's stats.
It might be helpful if they were labelled at 12 or 13 but I guess too much work to separate when they've played both.
Yeah it was quite surprising to see guys that have regularly made big breaks, appear quite far down the gainline success stats
@gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@ploughboy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
a least one YC a team one? might have been two
Against England it was a tackle off the ball Iām pretty sure, just stupid from someone who should know better (and weād already had a penalty against us).
The comment was made above that he got three YCS in the autumn series. The original YC he received in this game was for an off the ball tackle, but they then found the below and the YC was changed to a head high tackle. So two YCs in the same game.
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Well those opta stats don't include line breaks.
So as soon as someone falls off the tackle, it's not considered for gainline?
@KiwiMurph said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@brodean Thanks - are Jordie's stats from URC?
And Leicester and Tua...
@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Well those opta stats don't include line breaks.
So as soon as someone falls off the tackle, it's not considered for gainline?
It's not the percentage made over the gain line.
It's the percentage of times you make it over the gainline when you carry.
So if AJ Lam makes 100 carries then 79 of them will make it over the gain line.
When Jordie Barrett makes 100 carries then 54 of them will make it over the gain line.
@gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@ploughboy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
a least one YC a team one? might have been two
Against England it was a tackle off the ball Iām pretty sure, just stupid from someone who should know better (and weād already had a penalty against us).
Didnāt he actually get two yellow card offences in the same passage of play?
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@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
When is the squad announced?
About 6 weeks too late
PROPS:
Tamaiti Williams (Crusaders)
Ethan de Groot (Highlanders)
Josh Fusitu'a (Blues)
Tyrel Lomax (Hurricanes)
Fletcher Newell (Crusaders)
Pasilio Tosi (Hurricanes)
HOOKERS:
Codie Taylor (Crusaders)
Samisoni Taukei'aho (Chiefs)
George Bell (Crusaders)
LOCKS:
Scott Barrett (c) (Crusaders)
Tupou Vaa'i (Chiefs)
Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)
Fabian Holland (Highlanders)
LOOSE FORWARDS:
Ethan Blackadder (Crusaders)
Samipeni Finau (Chiefs)
Ardie Savea (Moana Pasifika)
Peter Lakai (Hurricanes)
Dalton Papalii (Blues)
Wallace Sititi (Chiefs)
Luke Jacobson (Chiefs)
HALFBACKS:
Cameron Roigard (Hurricanes)
Cortez Ratima (Chiefs)
Noah Hotham (Crusaders)
FIRST FIVES:
Damian McKenzie (Chiefs)
Beauden Barrett (Blues)
MIDFIELDERS:
Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
Rieko Ioane (Blues)
Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
David Havili (Crusaders)
OUTSIDE BACKS:
Caleb Clarke (Blues)
Emoni Narawa (Chiefs)
Sevu Reece (Crusaders)
Will Jordan (Crusaders)
Ruben Love (Hurricanes)
Unavailable due to injury: Asafo Aumua (Hurricanes), Simon Parker (Chiefs), Anton Lienert-Brown (Chiefs)
Personally I'd have Ollie Norris ahead of Fusitu'a but the signs are there that the latter is getting the nod. Would also have Brodie McAlister ahead of Bell.
I think if the Maori All Blacks weren't playing then Rivez Reihana would be in this squad at the expense of David Havili. If I were in charge of selecting I'd also go for Folau Fakatava ahead of Hotham for much the same reason.
I can see Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens, Reihana and a fit Simon Parker and Caleb Tangitau all playing a role on the EOYT.
Louis Bielle-Biarrey is out of the Top 14 Semi Final with concussion. Will that make the World's best winger available for forthcoming French tour to New Zealand?
@sparky said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Louis Bielle-Biarrey is out of the Top 14 Semi Final with concussion. Will that make the World's best winger available for forthcoming French tour to New Zealand?
Unlikely, given UBB will probably still make the final and LBB has played considerable minutes already this year.
@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
When is the squad announced?
Monday 23rd, next week.
A back-three rota of Love, Jordan, JRK, Tangitau, Clarke (back in form) and Narawa going into the World Cup would be best in class. Reihana can push McKenzie for the 10 jersey leaving Barrett to set a new point-scoring record against Hong Kong in the pool stages.
@mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
As someone mentioned earlier, if our game plan really is supposed to be a wide game spreading thr ball to the edges, then ALB should be thr first midfielder picked.
But it's not. And he won't.
matching players skill sets to a game plan?....you're weird dude
@mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
As someone mentioned earlier, if our game plan really is supposed to be a wide game spreading thr ball to the edges, then ALB should be thr first midfielder picked.
But it's not. And he won't.
The last time we played a successful wide game was when we had the ALB/Crotty/SBW trio mixing it up as midfield starters with Ioane on the wing.
@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
As someone mentioned earlier, if our game plan really is supposed to be a wide game spreading thr ball to the edges, then ALB should be thr first midfielder picked.
But it's not. And he won't.
The last time we played a successful wide game was when we had the ALB/Crotty/SBW trio mixing it up as midfield starters with Ioane on the wing.
And how many RWCs did those guys win together?
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
As someone mentioned earlier, if our game plan really is supposed to be a wide game spreading thr ball to the edges, then ALB should be thr first midfielder picked.
But it's not. And he won't.
The last time we played a successful wide game was when we had the ALB/Crotty/SBW trio mixing it up as midfield starters with Ioane on the wing.
And how many RWCs did those guys win together?
yeah perfect metric.
How many did Cullen, Wilson, lomu, Bunce, Little, etc win again?
@mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
As someone mentioned earlier, if our game plan really is supposed to be a wide game spreading thr ball to the edges, then ALB should be thr first midfielder picked.
But it's not. And he won't.
The last time we played a successful wide game was when we had the ALB/Crotty/SBW trio mixing it up as midfield starters with Ioane on the wing.
And how many RWCs did those guys win together?
yeah perfect metric.
How many did Cullen, Wilson, lomu, Bunce, Little, etc win again?
Good point. Mine was much clumsier. The wide game plan is flawed. We need a blend of up the guts power rugby before we feed the backs
Itās only flawed if you donāt have the players to execute it. Crotty, ALB and SBW all had good passing games but more importantly used angles to create opportunities and space.
Jordie and Ioane are quite different and thatās one of the reasons things arenāt humming.
I think we have players currently running around that have been and could be ABs that possess the skill sets to use what ball the forwards provide to create and exploit space in the wider channels.
one of the things ive liked about proctor when ive watched him (and thats less than most of you i would guess so i could be wrong), he seemed to always work hard to get on the outside shoulder, working hard to connect with his wing and grow that seed of doubt in the defending winger..."should i come in"\
lots of guys try and hit the inside shoulder of the drifting defence which doesnt connect with the outsides as well
@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Itās only flawed if you donāt have the players to execute it. Crotty, ALB and SBW all had good passing games but more importantly used angles to create opportunities and space.
Jordie and Ioane are quite different and thatās one of the reasons things arenāt humming.
I think we have players currently running around that have been and could be ABs that possess the skill sets to use what ball the forwards provide to create and exploit space in the wider channels.
It would help if we didn't stand so flat as well
@Mr-Fish said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
PROPS:
Tamaiti Williams (Crusaders)
Ethan de Groot (Highlanders)
Josh Fusitu'a (Blues)
Tyrel Lomax (Hurricanes)
Fletcher Newell (Crusaders)
Pasilio Tosi (Hurricanes)HOOKERS:
Codie Taylor (Crusaders)
Samisoni Taukei'aho (Chiefs)
George Bell (Crusaders)LOCKS:
Scott Barrett (c) (Crusaders)
Tupou Vaa'i (Chiefs)
Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)
Fabian Holland (Highlanders)LOOSE FORWARDS:
Ethan Blackadder (Crusaders)
Samipeni Finau (Chiefs)
Ardie Savea (Moana Pasifika)
Peter Lakai (Hurricanes)
Dalton Papalii (Blues)
Wallace Sititi (Chiefs)
Luke Jacobson (Chiefs)HALFBACKS:
Cameron Roigard (Hurricanes)
Cortez Ratima (Chiefs)
Noah Hotham (Crusaders)FIRST FIVES:
Damian McKenzie (Chiefs)
Beauden Barrett (Blues)MIDFIELDERS:
Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
Rieko Ioane (Blues)
Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
David Havili (Crusaders)OUTSIDE BACKS:
Caleb Clarke (Blues)
Emoni Narawa (Chiefs)
Sevu Reece (Crusaders)
Will Jordan (Crusaders)
Ruben Love (Hurricanes)Unavailable due to injury: Asafo Aumua (Hurricanes), Simon Parker (Chiefs), Anton Lienert-Brown (Chiefs)
Personally I'd have Ollie Norris ahead of Fusitu'a but the signs are there that the latter is getting the nod. Would also have Brodie McAlister ahead of Bell.
I think if the Maori All Blacks weren't playing then Rivez Reihana would be in this squad at the expense of David Havili. If I were in charge of selecting I'd also go for Folau Fakatava ahead of Hotham for much the same reason.
I can see Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens, Reihana and a fit Simon Parker and Caleb Tangitau all playing a role on the EOYT.
Ahead of the squad naming, pretty confident with this selection.
Potential additional injury cover: George Dyer, George Bower, Christian Lio-Willie.
Can also see Finlay Christie and Braydon Ennor squeezing in ahead of Hotham and Tupaea, who can both play for the Maori.
@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Itās only flawed if you donāt have the players to execute it. Crotty, ALB and SBW all had good passing games but more importantly used angles to create opportunities and space.
Jordie and Ioane are quite different and thatās one of the reasons things arenāt humming.
I think we have players currently running around that have been and could be ABs that possess the skill sets to use what ball the forwards provide to create and exploit space in the wider channels.
Ball in two hands too. Always creating doubt.
Surprising so many pro's still get this wrong and just "tuck and truck".
See Tom Wright for his no try against the chiefs (DMAC's miracle play).
If Wright carries the ball in his left hand he scores.