All Blacks vs Springboks II

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@antipodean Jesus Christ, rugby media is so fucking servile and clueless!

This came up on my timeline a week or so ago. - what a load of simpering intellectual masturbation

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"What’s striking about Razor’s coaching style is how thoughtfully holistic it is.

Scott Robertson has mastered both rugby tactics and behavioural science. The self-proclaimed visionary lends his creativity to game-breaking attacking schemes and stifling defence. His IQ is impressive and while clearly a cut above the rest, what separates him is his EQ".

The messages that are delivered are carefully crafted to be concise and clear. Robertson’s experience at coaching workshops worldwide – at Saracens, the Brisbane Broncos, the Melbourne Storm, West Ham, the San Antonio Spurs and the Dallas Cowboys to name a few – have all informed and developed this skill.

This one quote sums up his approach perfectly: “I don’t motivate people, I inspire people to be motivated”
If his press conferences are anything to go by.....

@Tim

Try: "Innovation is a gravitorsional concept relating to reducing the cycle error rate is medium scale operational processes"

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Cracking start to the day

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What weird filter did you use on this image? Turned your beer clear.

Actually - that’s fucking genius Mike. Perfect for wish you were here snaps for the missus.

@game_film said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Great for the comp. Nice to play Oz with the outcome seriously in the balance.

God no. Much preferred it when we were destroying teams.

I know its been said before but they knew exactly what the Boks were bringing but they had no plan B

they do not have a plan A.

What a disgrace. I am ashamed to be honest. Where the fuck is the passion?
SB is no captain and if they do not get rid of the backs coach or find a decent play maker then then we are fucked.

What was the game plan. We need a new 10 because for mine BB and D MAC haven't got a clue.. Razor must be on thin ice !!

I am so fucking angry I can,t even think strait. All I know is if we do not make some serious changes, more embarrassment will follow. What a total shit show !!

@mencey Spot on. A terrible day for those of us who want the Black Jersey to be feared and respected.

Just embarrassing to see some of the side give up.

The coaches, players and senior administrators involved in that performance should be utterly ashamed.

@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Beauden is a poison every coach gets sucked into.

Forwards made to look like bunnies

Its really nothing personal, and it sounds like a vendetta from some of us against him.

He was one of my favourite players.

But the guy has to be put out of his misery.

140 caps.

It beggars belief.

Totally agree. Loved BB in his prime but he should now take the money up North. Lets be honest, since Carter left, we haven't had a consistently good 10.

Think they were smashed into submission. I remember seeing very good/legendary Boks like Etzebeth reduced to WTF moments when they lost 57-0. Nothing worked that day for the Boks and everything worked for NZ. A week (or two?) later they narrowly lost to NZ in SA.

The main issue with NZ is the game plan is just not conducive to consistent performance. The up/down performances and continual poor performances in second halves leave major questions for Robertson.

The kicking game worked in the first half, but it stopped working in the second half and just gave ball back to the Boks. When you can’t catch, can’t win lineouts and are giving away penalties and territory away at the scrum, any errors crank the pressure up.

Test matches are pressure cookers. It needs cool heads and leadership to slow things down and get some momentum. Too many AB leaders are looking for the high risk play, which when they come off look great. But when they don’t, it gives the opponent a lift and cranks that pressure up another notch.

What today showed is that the Bok management are able to lift their players performance at half-time. Robertson and his management might want to leave the players out on the pitch in future if their half-time impact is anything to go by.

Robertson is massively under pressure. Lose the Bledisloe and he won’t be around to play Mo’unga when he returns.

@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Think they were smashed into submission. I remember seeing very good/legendary Boks like Etzebeth reduced to WTF moments when they lost 57-0. Nothing worked that day for the Boks and everything worked for NZ. A week (or two?) later they narrowly lost to NZ in SA.

The main issue with NZ is the game plan is just not conducive to consistent performance. The up/down performances and continual poor performances in second halves leave major questions for Robertson.

The kicking game worked in the first half, but it stopped working in the second half and just gave ball back to the Boks. When you can’t catch, can’t win lineouts and are giving away penalties and territory away at the scrum, any errors crank the pressure up.

Test matches are pressure cookers. It needs cool heads and leadership to slow things down and get some momentum. Too many AB leaders are looking for the high risk play, which when they come off look great. But when they don’t, it gives the opponent a lift and cranks that pressure up another notch.

What today showed is that the Bok management are able to lift their players performance at half-time. Robertson and his management might want to leave the players out on the pitch in future if their half-time impact is anything to go by.

Robertson is massively under pressure. Lose the Bledisloe and he won’t be around to play Mo’unga when he returns.

Robertson should have got the gig in 2020 when he had his QB in Mo'unga.

Mo'unga leaving in 23 knowing Daddy was getting the keys to the castle was alarming in and of itself.

@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Robertson is massively under pressure. Lose the Bledisloe and he won’t be around to play Mo’unga when he returns.

He'll be there until the EOYT I suspect. He seems to be Robinson's pet project and if he goes, it will be when he steps down.

TBF the Boks were brilliant.
Pretty difficult to survive against that scrum and brilliance in the air but.
Holland needs to start he's a source of ball.
Need Roigard.
BB is not the answer at 10.
Love needs to start.
SB good player but not captaincy.
Razor has to make the tough calls.

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Christie would be nowhere near the side if not for a really rough run of injuries. I'd prefer Fakatava, but him I can cut Robertson some slack for him

It's bloody embarrassing to think that a 4th-string player (admittedly playing his heart out) didn't look all that out of place

If Scott Robertson is not clearing his desk on Monday morning, he should be told to do so.

A vastly better loose forward trio:

@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

If Scott Robertson is not clearing his desk on Monday morning, he should be told to do so.

He won’t. So what is the next step? He needs to change his assistants as they aren’t working.

@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Springboks looked fitter than us too.

After all their early injuries, I expected their bench to be gassed late in the game, but they finished far stronger than us

Easier when yo-yo,ay with the ball.

Well done Bokke, you bounced back and played bloody well, by equal measures we were bloodynawful in that 2nd half.

We had no ball, and what little we did, we aimlessly kicked it away or dropped it, or did something else equally dumb.

The Bokke owned the airspace around Wellington, and took full advantage of our appalling work in the air, over and over, bring back Cory Jane!

As many have said, several ABs are past thier time, even someone like Scott, who still has alot to offer, I wonder if he is so ingrained in Razor-ball, he can't see when it is not.working to allow him to make changes.

That said, too many are simply not self aware enough to know what they are.doing is not working, yet we keep banging away with the same plan.

Have to wonder if Razor is self aware enough to pull the trigger on his assistants, Ryan aside (although the last 2 weeks his head should be too) none of our coaching seems upto it.

Although, who is out there that would want to join this shit show?

@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

If Scott Robertson is not clearing his desk on Monday morning, he should be told to do so.

He won’t. So what is the next step? He needs to change his assistants as they aren’t working.

Maybe the assistants aren't the problem?

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

If Scott Robertson is not clearing his desk on Monday morning, he should be told to do so.

He won’t. So what is the next step? He needs to change his assistants as they aren’t working.

Maybe the assistants aren't the problem?

Do you think it is the message from the head coach? Because from what I have read about Rqzor, that is one thing he has been lauded for.

I really think Razor is a coach that builds through a regular season. His players bought into the team ethos and peaked for finals. The way international rugby works is different, and I think he is struggling to either articulate his message/strategy with players coming from very different set ups and cultures.

Congratulations SA - different level.

Worst loss outside of a WC by a large margin for me. We cannot carry on for 2 years with this muppet in charge. (We will though.)

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Fuck. Our scrum is toast..

That was a clear penalty to ABs. Wessels knee on ground. Dropped scrum down and ABs only went back after that destabilisation.

Right in front of AR. And TMO missed. Second Kolbe try should have been scrubbed.

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Fuck. Our scrum is toast..

That was a clear penalty to ABs. Wessels knee on ground. Dropped scrum down and ABs only went back after that destabilisation.

Right in front of AR. And TMO missed. Second Kolbe try should have been scrubbed.

Amashukeli refs based on what he feels, rather than sees sometimes. The Boks last week had the dominant scrum, and I am sure Rassie would have had a word pre-game to ask the ref for them to reap the benefit of that advantage. Before this scrum, the Boks had shown they had the edge. So the pictures to Amashukeli were clear and he penalised the ABs because he felt the Boks had the dominant scrum.

Rather than blame the ref, the ABs need to ask why their scrum has regressed as much as it has from last year when it was a weapon they used to gain penalties and launch strikes from.

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

TBF the Boks were brilliant.
Pretty difficult to survive against that scrum and brilliance in the air but.
Holland needs to start he's a source of ball.
Need Roigard.
BB is not the answer at 10.
Love needs to start.
SB good player but not captaincy.
Razor has to make the tough calls.

If you think fairy pants Holland is the answer you’re mad. He’s not even the fifth best second row in Nz and I’m a die hard highlanders supporter

Deaker asked Hart in 98 if he would resign, and Hart was a good friend of his at the time. Say what you want about Deaker but he wasn't afraid to ask the tough questions. We need people like him in our mainstream media today, not the cheerleaders that we currently have.

Anyway women up in our hotel room in Wellington, and I still pissed at what I saw. I actually said to Mrs, that could save us some money, as I feel I won't probably bother to coming to a test again. I can handle us losing, but not thinking an AB team pulled the plug with 15 minutes to go. If I see any press conference and Razor or anyone makes excuses, apart from pointing out how bad they seem to of been coached and played, I will kick the tv. And I can't afford a new one!

@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Jeez. How awful have we been on the 2nd half? Fuck

Thought your boys played bravely.

Condescension...

It's deserved.

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Anyway women up in our hotel room in Wellington, and I still pissed at what I saw. I actually said to Mrs, that could save us some money, as I feel I won't probably bother to coming to a test again. I can handle us losing, but not thinking an AB team pulled the plug with 15 minutes to go. If I see any press conference and Razor or anyone makes excuses, apart from pointing out how bad they seem to of been coached and played, I will kick the tv. And I can't afford a new one!

This is such a negative post by your standards Dan, a huge indictment on the team. They have failed us all

@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

My preference would be to wait until Joe Schmidt's available, then to hand him the keys to the Black Machine (well that's what it used to be).

Warren Gatland, Milton Haig, Jamie Joseph, Vern Cotter or even Robbie Deans could do as interim HCs if needed.

I think the media and NZR need to tell Scott Robertson "that second half was totally unacceptable" and then ask " now what are you going to do about it, radically and today if need be, so there is no repetition of that shambles ever?"

October.........but his young lad needs care.

He has extended until mid 2026 as Wallabies coach so Kiss can take over after Super Rugby
Kiss wanted to complete his 3 year contract with the Reds.

Cannot believe in the press conference Razor basically said 'SA practice their aerial game a lot and we can't handle it'. Seriously.

Super disappointed right now. That was abject. I didn't bother with the last 20 - once we were 14 down we weren't coming back. Had no idea we'd just ship all the points.

You cannot have a result like that and not make some major changes. 15 point loss at home was our worst - to go to 33 is just embarassing. Razor wants utilities playing multiple positions. The evidence is continuing to show that does not work at Test level.

So much wrong. Worst thing is I'm not even super surprised that we turned in a performance like that.

@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Fuck. Our scrum is toast..

That was a clear penalty to ABs. Wessels knee on ground. Dropped scrum down and ABs only went back after that destabilisation.

Right in front of AR. And TMO missed. Second Kolbe try should have been scrubbed.

Amashukeli refs based on what he feels, rather than sees sometimes. The Boks last week had the dominant scrum, and I am sure Rassie would have had a word pre-game to ask the ref for them to reap the benefit of that advantage. Before this scrum, the Boks had shown they had the edge. So the pictures to Amashukeli were clear and he penalised the ABs because he felt the Boks had the dominant scrum.

Rather than blame the ref, the ABs need to ask why their scrum has regressed as much as it has from last year when it was a weapon they used to gain penalties and launch strikes from.

I don’t blame the ref as he was on the other side. But the AR ought to have caught that. He called Ardie’s marginal forward pass at around 42.

In terms of regression, I’m starting to think Sami may have a technical issue. Our scrum worsened in first test when Taylor went off and immediately improved in second when McAllister joined.

Although it wasnt consequential to the result in the end - What was the point of having Ruben Love on the bench? Why would you have a 10/15 and sub him on for a wing? Why not have an actual wing on the bench, it doesnt seem like he ever planned on subbing Dmac or BB.

Its like theyre playing Prem 2s and he just wanted to give him a run for the sake of it, but couldnt fathom taking his sons off the pitch

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Anyway women up in our hotel room in Wellington, and I still pissed at what I saw. I actually said to Mrs, that could save us some money, as I feel I won't probably bother to coming to a test again. I can handle us losing, but not thinking an AB team pulled the plug with 15 minutes to go. If I see any press conference and Razor or anyone makes excuses, apart from pointing out how bad they seem to of been coached and played, I will kick the tv. And I can't afford a new one!

Happy birthday mate!

We seem to have some systemic problems with no quick easy fixes. They won't fire razor and even if they were going to can they get a decent replacement mid-season? A bit like 1998, we're going to have to grit our teeth and take our medicine. Hopefully David Kirk will have the stones to make some major changes as soon as he takes over. If we don't improve, by then the decisions will be much easier to make. We are in danger of losing the Bled and being forced to endure a nightmare tour up north before the end of the season

I can handle losses better now than years ago and I shouldn’t be surprised because I actually picked last week we would get up for the eden park game and be extremely disappointing the next week and lose .

But it was so depressing to watch an allblacks team throw in the towel with so much time left on the clock.

Don’t be surprised if we put in a much better performance and beat the wallabies first up then get rolled the next game now .

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

If Scott Robertson is not clearing his desk on Monday morning, he should be told to do so.

He won’t. So what is the next step? He needs to change his assistants as they aren’t working.

Maybe the assistants aren't the problem?

They're all a problem. Including Ryan. Ryan has had some success but he's also had some failures. He was also in charge for that London game.

He's toxic af and his selections have done damage to NZ rugby and held us back.

@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

Does Brodie McAlister get another test after that? Usually not the time to get too carried away but that was seriously a career ending stint from him, Jason Ryan's boy from Sydenham might I add.

No idea how he made the squad,,,,
he spent most of his time at sydenham not playing and nursing (minor) injuries
Has a reputation for being a bit soft

There's been a lot of false dawns in this tenure of Razor's.

Several times I think we've turned the corner only to ship another loss.

A couple of weeks ago it looked like we'd built a formidable forward pack - only to watch it fold like a house of cards.

Scrum buckling and lineout in disarray - and then we're getting killed in the air. We've got five fucking fullbacks in the team last night and we're getting taken apart!

I was pretty confident we were going to win last night and was still confident at half time. But, that second half was a rout - the only comparably awful half of AB rugby I can recall is France in 1999.

I hope this is the fucking nadir - injects some steel into this team.

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

I can handle losses better now than years ago and I shouldn’t be surprised because I actually picked last week we would get up for the eden park game and be extremely disappointing the next week and lose .

But it was so depressing to watch an allblacks team throw in the towel with so much time left on the clock.

Don’t be surprised if we put in a much better performance and beat the wallabies first up then get rolled the next game now .

100% the throwing in the towel and not defending till the bitter end was shocking to see. Still that's what you get when you've picked zero of the Crusaders and Blues defensive leaders - the two best NZ defensive teams in recent years.

Instead we've packed the squad with guys who have flaked at the business end of the season when it comes to defence.