Ashes 2025/6

@barbarian said in Ashes 2025/6:

Yeah to be fair I don't think anyone is saying he's not a great. We're debating status in the all-time pantheon, where these little things count against you.

Fair enough.

There is the argument Root plays more than others and has more chances to get scores ( ahem, KW ) but the counterargument is that he still has to actually achieve when he gets these chances.

An England all time great when you think of class/longevity ( although a lot of their old boys like Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hammond, Hutton and Barrington all averaged a fair bit more ) so he doesn't absolutely stroll into an all time XI

@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:

Joe Root is one of those players who i will recognise as being really fucking good and never go back and watch highlights.

He's no Lara.

Oz should just pick this bloke:

"Records went tumbling as Australian U19 star Harjas Singh wreaked unprecedented carnage in Sydney Grade Cricket blasting 314 off 141 balls including 35 sixes and 10 lost balls in a 50 over match on the weekend.

His white ball destruction broke a 123 year grade cricket record and he did it with some of the cleanest, purest, most consistent hitting you will ever see.

Singh's innings for Western Suburbs against Sydney Cricket Club had passers by at Pratten Park scurrying for cover, as he put on a display for the ages driving Wests to 5-483 and a 196 run win. "

The Ashes? Didn't we have one of those last week?

This thread should be a cracker over the coming months. It's not going to be ruined and sidetracked with tedious frathouse-esque banter. A nice and early pre-emptive heads-up for some of you so you don't have to wonder aloud what happened to some of your posts.

England might win a Test (or even two) on the back of some individual brilliance by Root, Brooks, Stokes, Wood or Archer. But their overall batting and bowling line-ups are not deep enough and too fragile at the moment to win a series in Australia.

Australia are the overwhelming favourites for this one.

If you subscribe to the view that the top of the Aussie order is still open, then today is a pretty big day.

South Australia are hosting Queensland and Victoria are playing NSW. Most of the key players will bat in these games.

@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:

If you subscribe to the view that the top of the Aussie order is still open, then today is a pretty big day.

South Australia are hosting Queensland and Victoria are playing NSW. Most of the key players will bat in these games.

Had a quick look at the teams and clicked on a few players
I know its only 4 of their FC sides but you can see why OZ are struggling with top order batsmen. Looking at their FC records all you see are guys averaging 25-35. Either really young or already in their 30's tried and discarded like Handscomb and Harris

As i type this Victoria have already lost one of their openers early.

@Virgil said in Ashes 2025/6:

@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:

If you subscribe to the view that the top of the Aussie order is still open, then today is a pretty big day.

South Australia are hosting Queensland and Victoria are playing NSW. Most of the key players will bat in these games.

Had a quick look at the teams and clicked on a few players
I know its only 4 of their FC sides but you can see why OZ are struggling with top order batsmen. Looking at their FC records all you see are guys averaging 25-35. Either really young or already in their 30's tried and discarded like Handscomb and Harris

As i type this Victoria have already lost one of their openers early.

Like you said previously. Both teams will be reliant on a few legends with varying degrees of average to very good backing them up.

But this is hardly a new thing in Cricket ( or indeed any sport )

The problems Aus have are a build up of:

One guy in the top order getting a score on a rotation basis, with middle order runs setting a defendable total, and
An all-time attack rolling the opposition, resulting in a succession of test wins.
No one behind them stating a serious case to go in, allowing the boys club to allow old players to dictate when they go, and dumb shit like Green at 3.

There are guys who have had hot seasons that get them nowhere and then they have a down season allowing the selectors to ignore them.

@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:

There are guys who have had hot seasons that get them nowhere and then they have a down season allowing the selectors to ignore them.

are we talking about Akira again?

/takes cover

Handscomb (who they will not pick) got runs. Every other hope has so far shat the bed

@NTA said in Ashes 2025/6:

Bledisloe? What the fk is that?! It's cricket season, you Polish harlots.

News is Cummins is out for the forseeable - back issues. Probably from carrying the entire nation the last few years.

I know he's only one person, but given how important the bowling attack in for Australia now their batsmen are inconsistent donkeys, this is a massive loss.

All it takes is a drop in form from one of the other mainstays and this is a remarkably open series.

@antipodean said in Ashes 2025/6:

@NTA said in Ashes 2025/6:

Bledisloe? What the fk is that?! It's cricket season, you Polish harlots.

News is Cummins is out for the forseeable - back issues. Probably from carrying the entire nation the last few years.

I know he's only one person, but given how important the bowling attack in for Australia now their batsmen are inconsistent donkeys, this is a massive loss.

All it takes is a drop in form from one of the other mainstays and this is a remarkably open series.

yep, Australia's huge advantage was not only their four main bowlers, but the safety net of someone as good as Boland waiting to come in. Well now they are using the safety new right from the get go.

Cummins also provided a few of those valuable middle-order runs we talked about earlier. Boland ain't doing that.

@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:

Cummins also provided a few of those valuable middle-order runs we talked about earlier.

some match saving/winning knocks. He was bloody good.

What are the chances of another round of the battle of the Ians this Summer ?

For what it’s worth I give this one to Beefy for being slightly less childish and petty and admitting Chappell was a good player.

Marnus hits 159 and puts himself in to the first test

@MN5 said in Ashes 2025/6:

What are the chances of another round of the battle of the Ians this Summer ?

For what it’s worth I give this one to Beefy for being slightly less childish and petty and admitting Chappell was a good player.

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Team Beefy in this beef!

Pat Cummins has been ruled out of the first Test.

Just read that Thomas McDonnell (NZC) [famous or infamous, depending on how you want to look at it] was the uncle of Fred Spofforth, and Spofforth lived in Hokianga as a kid.
There ya go!

^^^ This is @Virgil level crossover work @MN5

last round of Shield games for someone, anyone, to put their hand up.

Aussie could be in a spot here, the chat is around needing one opener, but again, because these selectors refuse to let anything go, they are working on the hope that Khawaja can refind some form. That double hundred in Sri Lanka is doing a LOT of heavy lifting (just like Warner's last one did) because other than that he has crossed 50 once since the start of last year. And he's had a lot of innings since then.

Essentially they are hoping a 39 year old can get his eye back.

Given England's terrible batting form at the moment, Australia could pull someone out of club cricket to be one of their openers and still win the series 5-0.

It looks like being a battle of the bowling attacks.

@sparky said in Ashes 2025/6:

Given England's terrible batting form at the moment, Australia could pull someone out of club cricket to be one of their openers and still win the series 5-0.

Both teams have a mix of brilliant batsmen, a couple maybe past it or in terrible form and some who are a bit shit and you wonder how they made it in the first place.

Should make for an excellent series.

Hope the physios are warmed up. Those geriatrics might give them quite a bit of work this summer

Given the age of the England squad too and how many injuries Archer and Stokes have had, the s England physios will be bloody busy too.

My guess is the Australians will rotate their quicks a bit from Test to Test. If they can prevent Root and Brook from finding their peak form, I expect Australia to win at least three of the Test easily, although a couple of the others may be tighter contests.

Test quicks Starc and Hazlewood playing for NSW v Victoria who have Scott Boland. Lyon and Smith also in the NSW side.
Alex Carey & Travis Head playing for South Australia. Marnus for QLD
All the Aussie test squad except Khawaja are playing in the current round of Sheffield Shield that's underway.

No pressure on Green. All he has to do is get a bunch of huge scores without getting out and he's the next Steve Waugh apparently.

Gilly was a legend and one of my favourite players but he sure does talk some shit. This is almost as bad as the time he went on about Warnies awesome batting.

It's the ears; he can't help but have random words fly into his brain.

did you read the article? it's pretty clear the Australian selectors see him as the key piece of this team going forward. He's 26 in a squad of 30+ year olds. He has been selected any time he's fit, and that includes not fit enough to bowl. He's been selected in the top order repeatedly despite a modest record.

These guys aren't saying he's the next Steve Waugh, they're saying if he is to prove he's the man going forward, he needs a break out series, like Steve Waugh had. And Australia probably need him to, given the flux around him.

They even express doubts that he can, and say he needs to bowl.

Personally i have seen nothing that says this is a possibility, but it's a very fair talking point given the shape of that Australian batting lineup, and the chances this bloke has had.

@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:

did you read the article? it's pretty clear the Australian selectors see him as the key piece of this team going forward. He's 26 in a squad of 30+ year olds. He has been selected any time he's fit, and that includes not fit enough to bowl. He's been selected in the top order repeatedly despite a modest record.

These guys aren't saying he's the next Steve Waugh, they're saying if he is to prove he's the man going forward, he needs a break out series, like Steve Waugh had. And Australia probably need him to, given the flux around him.

They even express doubts that he can, and say he needs to bowl.

Personally i have seen nothing that says this is a possibility, but it's a very fair talking point given the shape of that Australian batting lineup, and the chances this bloke has had.

Well, they're saying he could be......

“This series for me for Cam Green is his Steve Waugh, 1989 Ashes,” Gilchrist said on Fox Cricket on Saturday night.

“If he can nail that breakthrough series where he contributes Test match after Test match after - I mean, ‘Tugga’ ... wasn’t dismissed until about the third Test, I reckon.

ah, you've fallen for the fox sports cut up quote.

@NTA said in Ashes 2025/6:

It's the ears; he can't help but have random words fly into his brain.

Exciting player though. Very good at being on winning test teams it has to be said. Much, much nicer guy than Brad Haddin too.