West Indies tour of NZ

@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:

Conway just needs to reach 73 to bring up 300 runs for match
The nz record is 343, can anyone guess who holds that record?

World record is Graham Gooch with 456 I do know that.

As for NZ I'm going to guess Stephen Fleming. He got a few big double ton.

That’s a bingo, Flem with his 274 an 69 vs Sri Lanka
Both unbeaten too
Is it too soon to talk about scoring a 200 and 100 in the same match

No cheating I promise. I remember long before the days of the fern having a discussion with a workmate about whether Fleming was class or not, that innings ( and I remember him doing ok in the second too ) backed up my claims. Others have got double tons but generally failed ( or not even batted ) in the second innings so they were ruled out.

Conway seeing it like a beachball, well and truly MOTM, they need to score quick to force a result so hundred for him definitely on.

Conway can look ropey early in an innings. But he's absolutely loving it out there right now

Hard to see this being much other than a draw, unless Ajaz can get it turning square somehow.

Only the third time in history the openers have both scored a ton and a fifty in a match ( with Latham bringing up his 50 )

That's a cool stat considering this is test number 2614.

But yeah, tough to see NZs attack knocking these guys over with enough time to force a win.

time to start going for records if you cant win, they have one now, if they both get a ton, i suspect thats another

Apparently this is the record for most runs scored by the opening partnership in any test.

@Godder said in West Indies tour of NZ:

Apparently this is the record for most runs scored by the opening partnership in any test.

Yep it would be.

No disrespect to any number of past NZ gutsy openers but its not an area of the game littered with kiwi greats. I think it's outstanding that the Black Caps have this record.

Devon Conway!
Just the 10th batsman to score a double hundred and hundred in the same test

@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:

Devon Conway!
Just the 10th batsman to score a double hundred and hundred in the same test

His resurgence of form is quite frankly outstanding.

Thrilled for him, I thought his career was all but over this time last year.

The boys should race towards a 400 lead as soon as possible and if they lose a wicket we should declare if the lead is over 350

More running on the pitch lads!

18 off the over before tea.

Latham has quietly snuck to 80.

@canefan yeah they should get Philips to pad up to come in next for a swing.

@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:

18 off the over before tea.

Latham has quietly snuck to 80.

@canefan yeah they should get Philips to pad up to come in next for a swing.

Don't want to waste any time getting out there. I want to see us heaps the pressure on. 4 men at least in the slip cordon and a man close in front of the bat. Pour it on

Watching the comms, Bish is huge!

@canefan said in West Indies tour of NZ:

Watching the comms, Bish is huge!

Him, Courtney and ( especially ) Curtley were a menacing bunch for sure.

@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@canefan said in West Indies tour of NZ:

Watching the comms, Bish is huge!

Him, Courtney and ( especially ) Curtley were a menacing bunch for sure.

Ask Ken Rutherford and Mike Gatting. They know . The golden era of WI quicks was a sight to see. Menacing is right

The top 4 averaging batsmen in tests so far in 2025… obviously if Latham and Conway are dismissed it will change

Henry Nicholls - 188.00
Rachin Ravindra - 105.75
Devon Conway - 99.57
Tom Latham - 81.20

Shit from Conway getting out right after the break and exposing KW late in the day.

@canefan said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@canefan said in West Indies tour of NZ:

Watching the comms, Bish is huge!

Him, Courtney and ( especially ) Curtley were a menacing bunch for sure.

Ask Ken Rutherford and Mike Gatting. They know . The golden era of WI quicks was a sight to see. Menacing is right

Bishop had lots of injury issues but still had a brilliant career.

@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:

Shit from Conway getting out right after the break and exposing KW late in the day.

They shouldn't be out there much longer. Should have sent a pinch hitter

I would say its on Latham getting his ton or not.. 10 runs from him to declare or get out

With our bowlers I am not sure we have enough runs. The attack has the bad old days written all over it.

@canefan said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:

Shit from Conway getting out right after the break and exposing KW late in the day.

They shouldn't be out there much longer. Should have sent a pinch hitter

Tongue firmly in cheek but yes they should have. KW on a bit if a hiding to nothing here.

@Crazy-Horse said in West Indies tour of NZ:

With our bowlers I am not sure we have enough runs. The attack has the bad old days written all over it.

A bunch of handy support bowlers without a spearhead is how I'd look at it.

YES !

Another extension on that awesome opening record. Shot Latham !!!!! 16th test century. Third in the series.

First time BOTH openers have scored centuries in BOTH innings in ANY first class match.

In the history of all Cricket I can't believe it hasn't happened before.

Absolutely incredible. Well done fellas.

Only the fifth time two players have scored centuries in each innings of a test, first time for NZ.

Of note also is it has only been done by opposing batters once (Warner and Kohli).

@Godder said in West Indies tour of NZ:

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Only the fifth time two players have scored centuries in each innings of a test, first time for NZ.

Of note also is it has only been done by opposing batters once (Warner and Kohli).

Jeez the 80s was a tough time to be a batsman.

Only happened FOUR times during that period.

Another record, that’s the highest total runs NZ have scored in a test match 881
Previous record was 874 back in 1990

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Only the fifth time two players have scored centuries in each innings of a test, first time for NZ.

Of note also is it has only been done by opposing batters once (Warner and Kohli).

As much as a fluff bunny Warmer is. It’s an incredible stat that he scored twin 100s in a test on 3 occasions

@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:

Another record, that’s the highest total runs NZ have scored in a test match 881
Previous record was 874 back in 1990

Shame there's fuck all people there watching.....Wellington put them to shame during the test at the Basin ( and I was set to go before the Windies wilted in three days )

Good opportunity to get a couple of cheeky wickets. Rigor commentating and reckons NZ have batted too long though. We'll see.

Quite a lot riding on Duffy coming out firing.

@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@Godder said in West Indies tour of NZ:

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Only the fifth time two players have scored centuries in each innings of a test, first time for NZ.

Of note also is it has only been done by opposing batters once (Warner and Kohli).

As much as a fluff bunny Warmer is. It’s an incredible stat that he scored twin 100s in a test on 3 occasions

Warner was one of the great openers of the modern era. Very dangerous and effective player with a terrific record.

Definitely not a popular fellow though. I never found him that bad though.

He was no Brad Haddin.

@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:

First time BOTH openers have scored centuries in BOTH innings in ANY first class match.

In the history of all Cricket I can't believe it hasn't happened before.

That's incredible, because there must have been tens of thousands of first class matches.

Edit: AI saying hundrds of thousands and potentially millions.

@Crazy-Horse said in West Indies tour of NZ:

With our bowlers I am not sure we have enough runs. The attack has the bad old days written all over it.

I don't think there's any real demons in this pitch. Pretty much everyone who has got out has got themselves out.

Pleased we've got a big buffer going into day 5. If the Windies bat competently, they'll force a draw about four-down, I reckon.

@Chris-B said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@Crazy-Horse said in West Indies tour of NZ:

With our bowlers I am not sure we have enough runs. The attack has the bad old days written all over it.

I don't think there's any real demons in this pitch. Pretty much everyone who has got out has got themselves out.

Pleased we've got a big buffer going into day 5. If the Windies bat competently, they'll force a draw about four-down, I reckon.

Yeah I can see why they batted on win the series first secure the game so you can’t lose.
Then see if the pitch can give you some favours on day 5 which I can’t see happening it is a dead pitch even when it shoots low it doesn’t threaten the stumps, a draw is where I see it heading.

@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@Godder said in West Indies tour of NZ:

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Only the fifth time two players have scored centuries in each innings of a test, first time for NZ.

Of note also is it has only been done by opposing batters once (Warner and Kohli).

As much as a fluff bunny Warmer is. It’s an incredible stat that he scored twin 100s in a test on 3 occasions

Warner was one of the great openers of the modern era. Very dangerous and effective player with a terrific record.

Definitely not a popular fellow though. I never found him that bad though.

He was no Brad Haddin.

A prick off the field I can tell you that for real.

In amongst the hail of records, Latham and Conway also equalled the record for century opening stands, with their 5th. Equalling Wright/Franklin. 11 more to match the all time record holders, Greenidge/Haynes. What a pair they were.

It's funny, when you look at the individual records Wright/Edgar look like the better pair, but when you compare the partnership stats, Wright/Franklin performed much better.

One last thing to note: before this test the record opening partnership in NZ was 276, shared between Dempster/Mills in a draw vs England in the 30s and Sherwin Campbell and someone else I forget for the West Indies in 98. The funny thing about that second one was that the West Indies went on to lose that match! Hope that's not a bad omen for tomorrow.

@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:

In amongst the hail of records, Latham and Conway also equalled the record for century opening stands, with their 5th. Equalling Wright/Franklin. 11 more to match the all time record holders, Greenidge/Haynes. What a pair they were.

It's funny, when you look at the individual records Wright/Edgar look like the better pair, but when you compare the partnership stats, Wright/Franklin performed much better.

One last thing to note: before this test the record opening partnership in NZ was 276, shared between Dempster/Mills in a draw vs England in the 30s and Sherwin Campbell and someone else I forget for the West Indies in 98. The funny thing about that second one was that the West Indies went on to lose that match! Hope that's not a bad omen for tomorrow.

I touched on NZ not really having a proud history of openers ( which makes todays record all the more impressive ) and the stats prove that.....but I think I'd have to pick John Wright in my all time test team to open with Glenn Turner. He was the man in the 80s when batting was at its absolute toughest. Facing SO many all time great fast bowlers, no Bangladesh or Zimbabwe to pad the stats against, an average just under 38 might look a bit ordinary on paper but he set a platform brilliantly. He was a rock at the top of that order.

I'll wait til Latham and Conway finish up before deciding where they sit in the pecking order.

Bert Sutcliffe had a fine record but never won a test.

Mark Richardson is very underrated.

@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:

In amongst the hail of records, Latham and Conway also equalled the record for century opening stands, with their 5th. Equalling Wright/Franklin. 11 more to match the all time record holders, Greenidge/Haynes. What a pair they were.

It's funny, when you look at the individual records Wright/Edgar look like the better pair, but when you compare the partnership stats, Wright/Franklin performed much better.

One last thing to note: before this test the record opening partnership in NZ was 276, shared between Dempster/Mills in a draw vs England in the 30s and Sherwin Campbell and someone else I forget for the West Indies in 98. The funny thing about that second one was that the West Indies went on to lose that match! Hope that's not a bad omen for tomorrow.

I think the bulk of us grew up to Edgar and wright being the opening pair we knew. I was surprised looking at the records just how good Wright and Franklin were given Franklin’s pretty poor record

It’s a pretty amazing feat from Latham and Conway.
That they are the very first opening pair to both score twin 100s in the same first class match is fucken extraordinary really.
You think of history’s greatest opening pairs, some absolute legends of the game and they never achieved something our own often maligned pair did.

@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:

@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:

In amongst the hail of records, Latham and Conway also equalled the record for century opening stands, with their 5th. Equalling Wright/Franklin. 11 more to match the all time record holders, Greenidge/Haynes. What a pair they were.

It's funny, when you look at the individual records Wright/Edgar look like the better pair, but when you compare the partnership stats, Wright/Franklin performed much better.

One last thing to note: before this test the record opening partnership in NZ was 276, shared between Dempster/Mills in a draw vs England in the 30s and Sherwin Campbell and someone else I forget for the West Indies in 98. The funny thing about that second one was that the West Indies went on to lose that match! Hope that's not a bad omen for tomorrow.

I think the bulk of us grew up to Edgar and wright being the opening pair we knew. I was surprised looking at the records just how good Wright and Franklin were given Franklin’s pretty poor record

It’s a pretty amazing feat from Latham and Conway.
That they are the very first opening pair to both score twin 100s in the same first class match is fucken extraordinary really.
You think of history’s greatest opening pairs, some absolute legends of the game and they never achieved something our own often maligned pair did.

Franklin averaged 23 and his strike rate was only marginally higher.

That at least indicates he did the old fashioned job of taking the shine off the new ball. I always admired his concentration !

When Crowe got his 299 I remember spending some time prior to that on the bank at the Basin ( last week of the school holidays if I remember rightly ) watching Franklin get 39 off 176 balls. Fucken hell it was hard going, he probably found it tough too. Not many horizontal bat shots in that innings it must be said ( as his Cricinfo blurb mentions )

Rigor was another opener who specialised in blunting the opposition attack rather than getting big scores of his own