Ajaz is on fire since finally achieving his first NZ test wicket.
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Rigor was another opener who specialised in blunting the opposition attack rather than getting big scores of his own
Concentration and sticking to his limitations were his strengths......until he'd close in on 3 figures and lose concentration late in
8-10 centuries would probably have done him more justice than the 4 he got.
He had three shots he played well and if they werenāt in the spot to play them he left them, frustrating the bowlers. Loved his work, would have loved a couple of more conversions but he was the glue in his era
He got robbed of 2 tons at Lords when he got a huge inside edge off Harmison in 04, robbed of one in Zimbabwe in his 2nd test when he got given out lbw to Nkala which wasnt out, so he was robbed a few times, but threw a few away too, like the tour in the WI in 02 when he tried to hit one out of the ground on 95, Pakistan in Wellington in 03 come to mind, but at the same time, he got every ounce of ability out of himself and had a very good test career even if it was a but short.
Loads of guys get ārobbedā of tons. Rigor is hardly alone there. Thatās cricket. Bloody good player though as I mentioned earlier.
Yeah no disputing that at all, and yeah, was a bloody good player. Thought he could have gone a couple more years too. He had a good career, I stand by my point though, he should have had a few more centuries next to his name.
Fleming is one of the biggest underachievers we've produced I feel. He was one of the most gifted natural stromemakers you'll see all round the wicket. He did have a tendancy to fall over his front leg but man, he was a talented player. He should have had 20 test centuries next to his name with an average of 45 with his ability.
It's funny when you think about it. Ross Taylor, yes he had a good eye and could hit the ball a long way, but I feel Fleming had the better range of shots, yet Fleming didn't have that ability mentally to knuckle down and get over 3 figures like Taylor did. Taylor really worked hard on that aspect of his game and dare I say he showed Fleming up in that area, not something we thought we'd be saying about Taylor early in his career. Taylor also deserves credit for working hard on his game and making himself a quality test batsman.
Iām not sure a guy who averaged over 40 ( thanks to his last test haha ) and got over 7000 tests runs is an underachiever but I see what you mean in a wayā¦.his record firmly puts him amongst the better test batsmen in history ( certainly by NZ standards ) but certainly not with the very best.
He was like M Waugh, Gower and Pietersen. Beautiful to watch but possibly lacking the mental application of the true legends. Better than most though.
Before KW and Taylor emerged he was firmly in my all time test XI as captain. Heād captain the 2nd XI now.
Yeah my wording sounds harsh regarding Fleming, but he was way better than his record suggests. He was a good test player but should have been pushing very good/greatness I feel.
Rigor was even more impressive as an opener considering he started his first class career as an off-spinner
How good has Duffy been? 20 wickets for the series, next best overall is Roach with 10. Excellent first session now!
@No-Quarter said in West Indies tour of NZ:
How good has Duffy been? 20 wickets for the series, next best overall is Roach with 10. Excellent first session now!
Heās been the find of the year really, even with a fully available range of bowlers to pick he has to be a starter now
@No-Quarter He gets another! Athanaze!
Game turning on its head - Bon Jovi making an appearance - we're halfway there, living on a prayer...
I was hoping for a Patel 10fer but he needs the last 5 wickets now so a long shot.
Duffy really impressing this series. Maybe it's the rest of the attack being poor but he's worked really hard and been consistent even after bowling a pile of overs. I know he was already in the squad but probably deserves another start when the next test finally rolls around.
@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Needed that after Blundell dropping one he should have taken
Fuck. Surely heās on borrowed time now
Another record for Duffy - beaten Hadlee's "most wickets in a calendar year across all formats". Hadlee had 79 from 23(!!) matches in 85, Duffy has 80 from 36 matches this year.
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@African-Monkey could not agree more re: Taylor, he's my favourite ever Black Cap for that reason (well him and Boult). So many young players could learn a lot from the way he applied himself. A talented youngster that would get himself out through lapses in concentration more than the bowler getting him out, really putting in the hard yards to work on his concentration in test matches to fashion a world class record. It must have been so hard for him to completely put away that swipe shot for hours at a time when it's what he grew up playing!
He did the same in ODIs to a lesser degree, worked hard on building an innings and trying to carry his bat rather than blast the opposition away in the first 20 overs. Ended up our best ODI batsmen of all time as a result with 21 tons.
Taylor probably looked at Jesse Ryder as a case of what NOT to do.
Rossco had huge natural talent but Ryder had even more.
Taylors career was pretty amazing, NZs best ODI batsman of all time and probably third only to Crowe and KW at test level.
Taylor got shoulder-tapped by Destiny... Martin Crowe and chose to listen. Absolute role model for any young batter with talent but struggling with application.
That one bounced, I wonder how many times Patel has hit the batsmen on the helmet before. Umpire signaled one bouncer for the over lol
What a review haha, I mean he had to given the game state, but it simply doesn't get even a millimetre more plumb than that
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@MN5 Rae went down in pain, but is made of tougher stuff and has run it off. Given his age and unlikely to play much once others return from injury, he'd probably bowl with a broken leg if it meant he could snare another test wicket.
Yeah he won't play another test after this one, hopefully he can survive the last day.
Even so, draw looking bloody likely here. The Windies have no batting superstars, most of them aren't even test standard on paper but NZs fill in attack won't be good enough to knock them over.
Iām glad this post appears to have aged poorly
Did I think we would win after yesterday.. no
Well done Black Caps
Many records falling but winning is the best one
Perfect finish to the series from Duffy, hitting the top of off stump to win the match. Man of the series for me, so far ahead of any other bowler. Loved Conway's return to form as well though.
Well done lads!
Thought the pitch was still looking pretty benign yesterday afternoon, but did enough today - and we were good enough to take advantage.
2-0 win not to be sniffed at.
Duffy for me.
Interestingly, Rachin averages 100.66 for the series. Conway 90.4; Latham 71.16; Hay 61 ; and Little Kane 46.25.
Duffy takes 23 wickets. Rae next best with 8. Ajaz 6 and Tickner and Foulkes 4 apiece.
@No-Quarter said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Umpire signaled one bouncer for the over lol
Patel was signalling to the umpire before that. I think he was keen to register he could bowl a bumper.
@Chris-B said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Duffy for me.
Interestingly, Rachin averages 100.66 for the series. Conway 90.4; Latham 71.16; Hay 61 ; and Little Kane 46.25.
Duffy takes 23 wickets. Rae next best with 8. Ajaz 6 and Tickner and Foulkes 4 apiece.
Ravindra had a few not outs to help his average.
Latham with 3 test Centuries and Captaining the team to a 2 -0 Test Series should also be in the mix for Man of the Series.
Duffy also leading the attack should in the mix.
@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Latham with 3 test Centuries and Captaining the team to a 2 -0 Test Series should also be in the mix for Man of the Series.
Duffy also leading the attack should in the mix.
and keeping at a pinch too ! completely forgot his first ton.........
But there were quite a few good batting performances but taking wickets wins matches, would have to be Duffy now I've thought about it.
Black Caps top five is absolutely set in stone barring injury.
Hay should replace Blundell. Whether he will is at the whim of the selectors.
Phillips wasn't hugely compelling in terms of batting and bowling, sort of went ok, absolutely dynamic fielding though, will be interesting what happens when Santner is fit. Bracewell will only get a look in if those two are both broken.
Duffy as others have mentioned has to be considered for when everyone is available, particularly with the injury prone nature of the others.
Smith and Foulkes a bit meh. Neither took their chances for a big performance.
Rae filled in admirably.
Tickner bloody good until injured. He'll be back.
Nice to see Patel get wickets at home as yet another bowling option.
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@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Latham with 3 test Centuries and Captaining the team to a 2 -0 Test Series should also be in the mix for Man of the Series.
Duffy also leading the attack should in the mix.and keeping at a pinch too ! completely forgot his first ton.........
But there were quite a few good batting performances but taking wickets wins matches, would have to be Duffy now I've thought about it.
Yeah I have no issue with that Duffy has been a big contributor but I just wanted to keep Latham's name in the frame 3 centuries in a 3 test series is a big effort and not a common thing, a century 50 % of the time you bat in a series needs to be recognised.
@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
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@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Latham with 3 test Centuries and Captaining the team to a 2 -0 Test Series should also be in the mix for Man of the Series.
Duffy also leading the attack should in the mix.and keeping at a pinch too ! completely forgot his first ton.........
But there were quite a few good batting performances but taking wickets wins matches, would have to be Duffy now I've thought about it.
Yeah I have no issue with that Duffy has been a big contributor but I just wanted to keep Latham's name in the frame 3 centuries in a 3 test series is a big effort and not a common thing, a century 50 % of the time you bat in a series needs to be recognised.
Totally fair, he had a huge series.
Conway had a poor first test but certainly made up for it in the next two. But those guys are already well established. Duffy might not have played at all if it weren't for all the injuries. If you bear that in mind and how he went he did amazingly.
I wonder if that was Ajaz Patel's last hurrah? 37, no sub continent tours this year. He's played in England before so maybe he gets a call up for that, and he's up to 91 test wickets (at a shade under 30 - very impressive!)
Vettori will always have the tag for our best spinner, but a lot of his value was that you could rely on him to be effective in our conditions plus the additional skills he brought. As an out and out attacking spinner he was pretty limited (a big part of that was the early back injury that forced him to remodel his action).
If we were playing on a real spinning wicket, I think Patel is probably close to our all time XI.