@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
Fuck you bru!
Haha! Come on the poms!
@brodean said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
Itoje probably played the match of his career. Curry and Underhill were dynamite.
What was so impressive was the way they just refused to lose. The problem is they can put out a performance like that … only every few years.. lucky for the rest of us.
@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 I bet you enjoyed that one after we smacked your boys around in pool play, gave you yet another easy RWC title
It was a good game to lose considering the path after that….. it all went according to plan….
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 I bet you enjoyed that one after we smacked your boys around in pool play, gave you yet another easy RWC title
It was a good game to lose considering the path after that….. it all went according to plan….
ah so the card imbalance was planned then. Noted.
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
@ACT-Crusader plus the software they have access to enables them to watch every lineout if they choose, look for patterns, then watch every ruck, how they respond in what part of the field.
Watching games in thier entirety would be rare these days I expect.
I'd really hope that isn't the case. The game has ebb and flow and every contest and every individual action by an opponent takes part within a context that matters.
Agreed
And a line out in minute 5 is very different from a line out in minute 75
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
Fuck you bru!
Haha! Come on the poms!
Jesus
How long are his fingers?
@MiketheSnow said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
Fuck you bru!
Haha! Come on the poms!
Jesus
How long are his fingers?
Must be AI
@brodean said in England Vs All Blacks:
Vaa'i was defensively poor at blindside. Both from a workrate point of view, positioning and accuracy. Also I dont think hes quick enough off the mark. That said I wouldn't be surprised if they went back to him
Some of that is likely owing to inexperience.
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Even if Scooter is back to near full fitness, why would you start him? Holland, Darry and Lord haven't let anyone down and seem eager for work
Bigger motor in scrum, solid cleaner, hard tackler. Need one of those in engine room against top teams.
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Even if Scooter is back to near full fitness, why would you start him? Holland, Darry and Lord haven't let anyone down and seem eager for work
Bigger motor in scrum, solid cleaner, hard tackler. Need one of those in engine room against top teams.
I hope he's fit
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
Love it.
I haven’t cheered for the Boks ever. Even during the time when my dislike for Aussie and the smug Aussie fans was at its peak (99-04), I would want them to win 3-0 against the Boks. I’ll even call on that 1/64th Irish heritage in 2 weeks…..
England were superb that night and they did have a core group of quality players that were capable of pulling one out of the bag.
@ACT-Crusader said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
Love it.
I haven’t cheered for the Boks ever. Even during the time when my dislike for Aussie and the smug Aussie fans was at its peak (99-04), I would want them to win 3-0 against the Boks. I’ll even call on that 1/64th Irish heritage in 2 weeks…..
England were superb that night and they did have a core group of quality players that were capable of pulling one out of the bag.
And Eddie Jones outsmarted us that night
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@ACT-Crusader He said he'd seen clips not the whole match. But it was obvious from his comments that he's very aware of England's recent pattern and style.
fair play, that's more than i am.
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
In the 19 WC win… it’s hard when the boks have won so many, I know
Well I ran into that one headlong...
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
What was so impressive was the way they just refused to lose.
Helped by the ABs being determined to lose from team selection to the final whistle.
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
What was so impressive was the way they just refused to lose.
Helped by the ABs being determined to lose from team selection to the final whistle.
It was a pretty meek surrender wasnt it?
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
And Eddie Jones outsmarted us that night
I disagree. We were so fucking clueless the bloke running the West Looe Junior XV would have outsmarted us that night.
@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:
CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.
Finau and Jacobsen are heading home
Injured? Boo
@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:
@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:
CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.
Finau and Jacobsen are heading home
Injured? Boo
Illness in the family for Finau - not injury
@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:
@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:
@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:
CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.
Finau and Jacobsen are heading home
Injured? Boo
Illness in the family for Finau - not injury
Still. Boo. I'm a fanboi. Would like to see him get a few tests in a row.
But given unavailability I'm on the Parker bandwagon (still think Finau has more potential).
@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:
CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.
Finau and Jacobsen are heading home
Awesome that Tangitau has been brought into the environment 
he has "it"
@Grooter said in England Vs All Blacks:
@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:
CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.
Finau and Jacobsen are heading home
Awesome that Tangitau has been brought into the environment
The Welsh shapes as the ideal test to debut him in
No need to risk Clarke getting another head knock.
@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Grooter said in England Vs All Blacks:
@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:
CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.
Finau and Jacobsen are heading home
Awesome that Tangitau has been brought into the environment
The Welsh shapes as the ideal test to debut him in
No need to risk Clarke getting another head knock.
He has looked very good this tour.
He will be there next year for sure
@nonpartizan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
@ACT-Crusader plus the software they have access to enables them to watch every lineout if they choose, look for patterns, then watch every ruck, how they respond in what part of the field.
Watching games in thier entirety would be rare these days I expect.
I'd really hope that isn't the case. The game has ebb and flow and every contest and every individual action by an opponent takes part within a context that matters.
Yeah, to be honest, I find when I watch highlights (even those 20 minutes long ones) I don't get much out of it. In fact I'd go as far as saying I have to see the match 2-3 times before I feel like I really have a very solid understanding of how the game played out.
Id actually love to know how much rugby professional.coaches watch in general. I would think aside from their upcoming opponents it would behoove them to watch at least 3-4 other matches a week just to see how teams are playing and get an idea of maybe upcoming opponents a month ahead of time. By that I'm talking about head coach not just some underling who is tasked with editing clips and being the tech whiz.
@nonpartizan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
@ACT-Crusader plus the software they have access to enables them to watch every lineout if they choose, look for patterns, then watch every ruck, how they respond in what part of the field.
Watching games in thier entirety would be rare these days I expect.
I'd really hope that isn't the case. The game has ebb and flow and every contest and every individual action by an opponent takes part within a context that matters.
Yeah, to be honest, I find when I watch highlights (even those 20 minutes long ones) I don't get much out of it. In fact I'd go as far as saying I have to see the match 2-3 times before I feel like I really have a very solid understanding of how the game played out.
Id actually love to know how much rugby professional.coaches watch in general. I would think aside from their upcoming opponents it would behoove them to watch at least 3-4 other matches a week just to see how teams are playing and get an idea of maybe upcoming opponents a month ahead of time. By that I'm talking about head coach not just some underling who is tasked with editing clips and being the tech whiz.
It's also why selectors go and sit in the stands and watch matches live. Not saying Razor should be doing that, but there's obviously a limit to how much you can learn from video clipped up by an analyst. But perhaps that is the point when you have limited time between matches. You would hope what they're really looking for are any changes to what they normally do - because you'd expect they already have a decent idea about how England have been playing this year.
@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:
But given unavailability I'm on the Parker bandwagon (still think Finau has more potential).
If you are on the Parker bandwagon can you please pump the tyres? I was on the bandwagon initially but I suspect the slow jolts have pushed me off.
Interesting discussion point from Razor in the presser about kicking - that there’s more aerial contests and a different type of kicking in Test Matches than in SR.
Now, I’m pretty sure I watched the SR final this year and….
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
And Eddie Jones outsmarted us that night
I disagree. We were so fucking clueless the bloke running the West Looe Junior XV would have outsmarted us that night.
You’re doing a disservice to the poms. They were just too good. The ABs kept expecting things to go their way and realized too late that they were going to have to earn it. It felt like they never really were in it.
England team announced. Advantage NZ.
England: Steward; Roebuck, Lawrence, Dingwall, Feyi-Waboso; Ford, Mitchell; Baxter, George, Heyes, Itoje, Coles, Pepper, Underhill, Earl
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Cunningham-South, T Curry, Pollock, Spencer, M Smith
Probably the lightest front row in a decade, plus the openside will take a decade to get around the field.
@game_film said in England Vs All Blacks:
Interesting discussion point from Razor in the presser about kicking - that there’s more aerial contests and a different type of kicking in Test Matches than in SR.
Now, I’m pretty sure I watched the SR final this year and….
The kicking definitely favours the attacking team since the escort rules changed.
The defending team endeavours to catch the ball rather than bat it back towards their own try line (unless you're Sevu Reece against Argentina), whereas the attacking team can embrace the chaos more by just getting an arm in there. Regaining possession, batting it back, a defending knock on or sloppy ball for opposition their own 22 are all net gains for the attacking team.
So I do think there is a bit more nuance to the aerial woes other than "our lads cant catch a cold".
@Catogrande said in England Vs All Blacks:
England team announced. Advantage NZ.
England: Steward; Roebuck, Lawrence, Dingwall, Feyi-Waboso; Ford, Mitchell; Baxter, George, Heyes, Itoje, Coles, Pepper, Underhill, Earl
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Cunningham-South, T Curry, Pollock, Spencer, M Smith
Advantage NZ? Why?
I'm not super familiar with all the English players.
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
And Eddie Jones outsmarted us that night
I disagree. We were so fucking clueless the bloke running the West Looe Junior XV would have outsmarted us that night.
You’re doing a disservice to the poms. They were just too good. The ABs kept expecting things to go their way and realized too late that they were going to have to earn it. It felt like they never really were in it.
Oh, don't get me wrong, England absolutely way better than us that day.
But that was one of the most clueless AB performances I've seen,
@Darren said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Catogrande said in England Vs All Blacks:
England team announced. Advantage NZ.
England: Steward; Roebuck, Lawrence, Dingwall, Feyi-Waboso; Ford, Mitchell; Baxter, George, Heyes, Itoje, Coles, Pepper, Underhill, Earl
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Cunningham-South, T Curry, Pollock, Spencer, M SmithAdvantage NZ? Why?
I'm not super familiar with all the English players.
I'm probably being a little over pessimistic to be honest but...
Steward is usually a rock under the high ball but ponderous in defence and has poor one on one tackling against strike runners. Ford blows hot and cold in running the backline under pressure and is a turnstile in defence. Only two line out options in the starting XV. No bench cover for 11-14.
All of these are known-knowns and pretty easy to build a strategy for:
Run at Steward
Run at Ford
Pressurise Ford
Throw to the back of the line out.
Hope for an injury (obviously not a bad one, that would be unsportsmanlike like) to anyone in the three-quarters.
How to change that dynamic?
Start Curry at 6
Start F Smith at 10, leaving out Ford.
Leave Pollock off the bench
Add Arundell to the bench.
