England v All Blacks

@Dan54 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......

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NZ media are complicit in the making of the current malaise

Crap! If we need the media to tell us what's wrong we got bigger problems. than I thought. The problem is in the team and coaching team is probably part of it.

They are there to hold the coach and NZRU to account supposedly. Because they aren’t listening to Joe Public

I would settle for the Foster era right now!

Razor is the ultimate troll is all I can conclude

@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:

I would settle for the Foster era right now!

Before or after Schmidt? Careful

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:

The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicks

I'd keep JB (once fit again) in the midfield and put Ruben Love at 15, but I agree with the rest.

No problem with that. QT deserves to be there somewhere

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Yeah I struggle to see how Razor's failings can't be laid at the feet of foster and the players.

Razor didn't select these players and hasn't been allowed any coaching input until today.

That yellow was a total hammer blow

@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:

What a contrast with the Boks

NZ are nearing where the Boks were in 2017

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

Apparently Robertson thought his team played "some really good rugby"

That's some bullshit right there.

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They were hungry before the game?

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:

What a contrast with the Boks

NZ are nearing where the Boks were in 2017

5th in the rankings?

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

Apparently Robertson thought his team played "some really good rugby"

That's some bullshit right there.

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They were hungry before the game?

Finish off our tour proud? Would be nice to have a coach that can speak English properly

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Dan54 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......

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NZ media are complicit in the making of the current malaise

Crap! If we need the media to tell us what's wrong we got bigger problems. than I thought. The problem is in the team and coaching team is probably part of it.

They are there to hold the coach and NZRU to account supposedly. Because they aren’t listening to Joe Public

Naa mate , the press in every country are there for one reason, to sell papers or get people to watch them on TV/podcasts etc. If we trying to blame press for ABs performances in anyway we are really in a bad way. I think we lost because our players/coaches weren't good enough is all!

Disappointing we don't have anyone in the team we could bank on to smash the smirk off Pollocks face.

Parker, Carter and Proctor are rapidly turning into failures with limited ways back…

@hikastags we'll need Will Stodart to put his hand up in super won't we stags that much is obvious

Imagine if Carter, Parker and Proctor made as many mistakes as Jordan...

@Grooter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@hikastags we'll need Will Stodart to put his hand up in super won't we stags that much is obvious

Not sure a back rower with a tackle % in the 70s in NPC is the answer

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern. Well done sir!

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern.

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

The reality is we’ve had two shit coaches in a row with good squads who haven’t reached their potential because of a shit leadership core and crap assistant coaches and head coaches with zero direction

And both foster and razor were nepotism hires for different reasons

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:

What a contrast with the Boks

NZ are nearing where the Boks were in 2017

5th in the rankings?

Heading that way

Highlights:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern. Well done sir!

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

That was Schmidt. Come on. Foster’s shitshow was before Schmidt arrived.

that loss is 100% on coaches. not just selection but tactics. no one runs on to ball to get over advantage line and defence gives meters away to easy.

The English are the worst team in World Rugby to lose to and we did it so well!

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern.

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

The reality is we’ve had two shit coaches in a row with good squads who haven’t reached their potential because of a shit leadership core and crap assistant coaches and head coaches with zero direction

And both foster and razor were nepotism hires for different reasons

We've gone backward since 2023. But at least we now know simply swapping the coach isn't the answer, eh? Just a pity it's taken 2 years for the penny to drop.

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern.

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

The reality is we’ve had two shit coaches in a row with good squads who haven’t reached their potential because of a shit leadership core and crap assistant coaches and head coaches with zero direction

And both foster and razor were nepotism hires for different reasons

We've gone backward since 2023. But at least we now know simply swapping the coach isn't the answer, eh? Just a pity it's taken 2 years for the penny to drop.

We were lucky to run into a one dimension Irish team that RWC. 2021 and 2022 were absolutely terrible. We also lost the three players with anything between their ears in Smtih, Retallick, and Whitelock. That pool loss to France was the same old shit. Don’t sugar coat 2023 thinking it was anything but the same old shit since 2020

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern. Well done sir!

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

That was Schmidt. Come on. Foster’s shitshow was before Schmidt arrived.

Yeah, nothing structural in NZ rugby needs to be looked at. All hunky-dory. Just need to find that one bloke who'll sort everything out

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

Don’t sugar coat 2023 thinking it was anything but the same old shit since 2020

Yet we lost the Final by 1 point against one of the best Bok teams of all time - with 14 men. Can you seriously imagine this lot doing that?

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern.

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

The reality is we’ve had two shit coaches in a row with good squads who haven’t reached their potential because of a shit leadership core and crap assistant coaches and head coaches with zero direction

And both foster and razor were nepotism hires for different reasons

We've gone backward since 2023. But at least we now know simply swapping the coach isn't the answer, eh? Just a pity it's taken 2 years for the penny to drop.

We were lucky to run into a one dimension Irish team that RWC. 2021 and 2022 were absolutely terrible. We also lost the three players with anything between their ears in Smtih, Retallick, and Whitelock. That pool loss to France was the same old shit. Don’t sugar coat 2023 thinking it was anything but the same old shit since 2020

100% on the money.

Blessed we came up against a geriatric Sexton and Irish team who shot their bolt in the preceding years.

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern.

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

The reality is we’ve had two shit coaches in a row with good squads who haven’t reached their potential because of a shit leadership core and crap assistant coaches and head coaches with zero direction

And both foster and razor were nepotism hires for different reasons

And a lot of players feeling unloved and unwanted.

Stevenson, Akira, Papalii, Love, Hoskins.

Even Fakatava has been fucked over to a certain extent.

Razors most important squad was his first one. Against England in NZ. The tone setter.

And he shat the bed. Same old same old. Bar Perofeta.

He could have put everyone on notice. Instead all the incumbents were reassured it was business as usual.

The issues with this team were obvious in the semi final loss against England in 2019 and they’re almost identical to what they are now. Absolutely nothing has changed. Literally nothing

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern.

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

The reality is we’ve had two shit coaches in a row with good squads who haven’t reached their potential because of a shit leadership core and crap assistant coaches and head coaches with zero direction

And both foster and razor were nepotism hires for different reasons

We've gone backward since 2023. But at least we now know simply swapping the coach isn't the answer, eh? Just a pity it's taken 2 years for the penny to drop.

We were lucky to run into a one dimension Irish team that RWC. 2021 and 2022 were absolutely terrible. We also lost the three players with anything between their ears in Smtih, Retallick, and Whitelock. That pool loss to France was the same old shit. Don’t sugar coat 2023 thinking it was anything but the same old shit since 2020

100% on the money.

Blessed we came up against a geriatric Sexton and Irish team who shot their bolt in the preceding years.

Yep, after that we needed a coach with a proven record of success, a completely fresh approach and unsullied by involvement in previous AB coaching set-ups.

Working well, isn't it?

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern.

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

The reality is we’ve had two shit coaches in a row with good squads who haven’t reached their potential because of a shit leadership core and crap assistant coaches and head coaches with zero direction

And both foster and razor were nepotism hires for different reasons

We've gone backward since 2023. But at least we now know simply swapping the coach isn't the answer, eh? Just a pity it's taken 2 years for the penny to drop.

We were lucky to run into a one dimension Irish team that RWC. 2021 and 2022 were absolutely terrible. We also lost the three players with anything between their ears in Smtih, Retallick, and Whitelock. That pool loss to France was the same old shit. Don’t sugar coat 2023 thinking it was anything but the same old shit since 2020

100% on the money.

Blessed we came up against a geriatric Sexton and Irish team who shot their bolt in the preceding years.

Yep, after that we needed a coach with a proven record of success, a completely fresh approach and unsullied by involvement in previous AB coaching set-ups.

Working well, isn't it?

Both Foster and Robertson hadn’t proved a thing as an international head coach before taken the reigns and it showed.

Not keeping Schmidt, and bashing Robertson’s ego in with a baseball bat and making him an assistant coach, was a complete fuck up. We could have had Schmidt, Robertson, and McMillan as a coaching team

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

The issues with this team were obvious in the semi final loss against England in 2019 and they’re almost identical to what they are now.

I'd go back to the 2017 Lions.

Absolutely nothing has changed. Literally nothing

Except 3 coaching set-ups. Maybe just change the assistants this time.

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

The issues with this team were obvious in the semi final loss against England in 2019 and they’re almost identical to what they are now. Absolutely nothing has changed. Literally nothing

I have become a parody of myself talking about that 2019 semi.

I cannot believe TJP, Reece, Beaudy, ALB, Rieko have managed to hang on for as long as they have.

I wanted them gone then!!!!

5 years ago!

We have gotten the captain selection wrong twice. It should have been Whitelock over Cane.
To be fair I cant say who it should be now, but it's not Scooter anyway. Probably Codie or Roigard (which is ridiculous really).

Ardie should have been riding pine once or twice just to put some manners on him. The boy is a bit too big for his boots me thinks. He is trying to carve out an "Uncle Siya"-esque holier than thou friend to all type brand.

Id like to see him tackle someone. Preferably in a dominant fashion.

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

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Watching that back, England's first three tries all came from really passive New Zealand tackling (Carter, Beauden Barrett, Tupaea, Scott Barrett and Beauden Barrett again).

England's last shouldn't have stood. Clear (and totally unnecessary) obstruction by Henry Pollock.

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

The issues with this team were obvious in the semi final loss against England in 2019 and they’re almost identical to what they are now.

I'd go back to the 2017 Lions.

Absolutely nothing has changed. Literally nothing

Except 3 coaching set-ups. Maybe just change the assistants this time.

SBW right shoulder test 2.

Ground zero.

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks

Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern.

Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.

The reality is we’ve had two shit coaches in a row with good squads who haven’t reached their potential because of a shit leadership core and crap assistant coaches and head coaches with zero direction

And both foster and razor were nepotism hires for different reasons

We've gone backward since 2023. But at least we now know simply swapping the coach isn't the answer, eh? Just a pity it's taken 2 years for the penny to drop.

We were lucky to run into a one dimension Irish team that RWC. 2021 and 2022 were absolutely terrible. We also lost the three players with anything between their ears in Smtih, Retallick, and Whitelock. That pool loss to France was the same old shit. Don’t sugar coat 2023 thinking it was anything but the same old shit since 2020

100% on the money.

Blessed we came up against a geriatric Sexton and Irish team who shot their bolt in the preceding years.

Yep, after that we needed a coach with a proven record of success, a completely fresh approach and unsullied by involvement in previous AB coaching set-ups.

Working well, isn't it?

Both Foster and Robertson hadn’t proved a thing as an international head coach before taken the reigns and it showed.

Not keeping Schmidt, and bashing Robertson’s ego in with a baseball bat and making him an assistant coach, was a complete fuck up. We could have had Schmidt, Robertson, and McMillan as a coaching team

Old ground, but no way was Schmidt going to have anything to do with NZR (and Robertson) after the way Robertson was given the coaching gig.

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

The issues with this team were obvious in the semi final loss against England in 2019 and they’re almost identical to what they are now.

I'd go back to the 2017 Lions.

Absolutely nothing has changed. Literally nothing

Except 3 coaching set-ups. Maybe just change the assistants this time.

SBW right shoulder test 2.

Ground zero.

Ground zero was putting Beuaden at 15, and not selecting Crotty, B Smith, and Owen Franks, and putting S Barrett at 6. That’s when the fever dream started