@hikastags said in England Vs All Blacks:
Apart from the obvious issues. Our forwards are bloody soft and go through the motions.
A couple times Roigard was ready to get the ball out quickly, but our forward pod had no urgency to get around and run it. Pre-2019 our forwards were fucking charging to run the ball.
Lakai was good today
It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......
@hikastags said in England Vs All Blacks:
Apart from the obvious issues. Our forwards are bloody soft and go through the motions.
A couple times Roigard was ready to get the ball out quickly, but our forward pod had no urgency to get around and run it. Pre-2019 our forwards were fucking charging to run the ball.
There was no punch from the bench forwards today either
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......
NZ media are complicit in the making of the current malaise
The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicks
@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
So will there be any changes next week now that we’ve lost this game?
Haha imagine if we lost to Wales!
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicks
I’d be happy with all of that.
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......
NZ media are complicit in the making of the current malaise
Crap! If we need the media to tell us what's wrong we got bigger problems. than I thought. The problem is in the team and coaching team is probably part of it.
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
Yes the officiating was terrible.
We still deserved to loseAgreed. We could have overcome. But you will never see a yellow card like that ever again in international rugby.
Did you see the Italy/SA game earlier. It made my eyes bleed
What yellow card are you referring to?
The red card
The red card that was a perfect example of when you should red card, that one? The one where a guy threw his shoulder into an attacking player minus the ball, with force and intent? The one with no intent to tackle?
That one?
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicks
I'd keep JB (once fit again) in the midfield and put Ruben Love at 15, but I agree with the rest.
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicksI'd keep JB (once fit again) in the midfield and put Ruben Love at 15, but I agree with the rest.
I really worry if we think LF at centre is an answer, I didn't think Proctor was bad, but more even on wing LF is pretty slow to turn etc in defence.
Apparently Robertson thought his team played "some really good rugby"
That's some bullshit right there.
@Dan54 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......
NZ media are complicit in the making of the current malaise
Crap! If we need the media to tell us what's wrong we got bigger problems. than I thought. The problem is in the team and coaching team is probably part of it.
They are there to hold the coach and NZRU to account supposedly. Because they aren’t listening to Joe Public
@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
I would settle for the Foster era right now!
Before or after Schmidt? Careful 
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicksI'd keep JB (once fit again) in the midfield and put Ruben Love at 15, but I agree with the rest.
No problem with that. QT deserves to be there somewhere
@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks
Yeah I struggle to see how Razor's failings can't be laid at the feet of foster and the players.
Razor didn't select these players and hasn't been allowed any coaching input until today.
@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
What a contrast with the Boks
NZ are nearing where the Boks were in 2017
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
Apparently Robertson thought his team played "some really good rugby"
That's some bullshit right there.
They were hungry before the game?
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
What a contrast with the Boks
NZ are nearing where the Boks were in 2017
5th in the rankings? 
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
Apparently Robertson thought his team played "some really good rugby"
That's some bullshit right there.
They were hungry before the game?
Finish off our tour proud? Would be nice to have a coach that can speak English properly
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......
NZ media are complicit in the making of the current malaise
Crap! If we need the media to tell us what's wrong we got bigger problems. than I thought. The problem is in the team and coaching team is probably part of it.
They are there to hold the coach and NZRU to account supposedly. Because they aren’t listening to Joe Public
Naa mate , the press in every country are there for one reason, to sell papers or get people to watch them on TV/podcasts etc. If we trying to blame press for ABs performances in anyway we are really in a bad way. I think we lost because our players/coaches weren't good enough is all!
@hikastags we'll need Will Stodart to put his hand up in super won't we stags that much is obvious
@Grooter said in England Vs All Blacks:
@hikastags we'll need Will Stodart to put his hand up in super won't we stags that much is obvious
Not sure a back rower with a tackle % in the 70s in NPC is the answer
@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks
Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern. Well done sir!
Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks
Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern.
Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.
The reality is we’ve had two shit coaches in a row with good squads who haven’t reached their potential because of a shit leadership core and crap assistant coaches and head coaches with zero direction
And both foster and razor were nepotism hires for different reasons
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
What a contrast with the Boks
NZ are nearing where the Boks were in 2017
5th in the rankings?
Heading that way
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks
Blaming Foster & The Chiefs for Robertson's inability to instill on-field discipline after 2 years in charge has to be some of the finest satire or sarcasm I've seen on The Fern. Well done sir!
Right now, I'd fucking love 10% of the discipline & resolve Foster's AB's showed in RWC2023.
That was Schmidt. Come on. Foster’s shitshow was before Schmidt arrived.