England v All Blacks

@game_film said in England Vs All Blacks:

Hasn’t Jordie’s position been determined like Ardie’s? Guessing selection meetings went like this… ‘’Great player so has to play… but we’ve got Laumape or SBW at 12 so he can play full back…. Looks like Laumape and SBW are gone but now we’ve got this full back called Will, so Jordie can play 12’’

Pace at full back is not the be all and end all. Look at some of the great players there. The wingers had the gas, they had everything else.

No, but it is important - and particularly for how we play.
Gallagher, Wright, Crowley, Timu, Howarth, Osborne, Cullen, Wilson, Mils, Dagg, Smith, Beauden, McKenzie, Jordan.
Most of that list - and all of the good ones - I reckon were either faster or more elusive than Jordie (or both).

@reprobate Fair point from an NZ style of play. Different across other countries.

@game_film said in England Vs All Blacks:

@reprobate Fair point from an NZ style of play. Different across other countries.

For sure, but I don't want us to play like them. Both because running rugby is why I love the game, and because I think it is the key to our success.

@No-Quarter no doubt he’s a better player now skill wise. His play at fullback was up and down, not unlike Jordan. I like Jordie in the midfield even more so when his brother is playing 10.

In my view the best fullback we’ve had in the last 10 years has been Beaudie.

@ACT-Crusader said in England Vs All Blacks:

In my view the best fullback we’ve had in the last 10 years has been Beaudie.

Which version of Beaudie? 2025 Beaudie?

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:

This All Blacks team is screaming for some X-Factor on the wing.

For me that's Will Jordan. He really doesn't have the skills to be a Test 15.

Who does? I’m not convinced by Love (I think he is a 10). Who are the alternatives? NZ are crying out for the new Israel Dagg to make his appearance.

And here's the other thing, Jordie is still in the team, and is an even better player than he was back then, and has the skillset to completely diffuse opposition bombs which are a key weakness for us right now. Jordie is so much better at 15 than Jordan it's not even funny.

They've had Jordie in the backfield fielding bombs this year and he's dropped his fair share.

@Chris-B "completely diffuse" is a bit of hyperbole on my part but he's easily our best under the high ball. As per my post in another thread, I don't like the way chasers are allowed to just jump up and slap it back without a genuine attempt to catch it, makes it unfair on the person fielding the kick.

@No-Quarter the Saffas put alot of numbers in just as disruptors.

@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:

This All Blacks team is screaming for some X-Factor on the wing.

For me that's Will Jordan. He really doesn't have the skills to be a Test 15.

Who does? I’m not convinced by Love (I think he is a 10). Who are the alternatives? NZ are crying out for the new Israel Dagg to make his appearance.

And here's the other thing, Jordie is still in the team, and is an even better player than he was back then, and has the skillset to completely diffuse opposition bombs which are a key weakness for us right now. Jordie is so much better at 15 than Jordan it's not even funny.

They've had Jordie in the backfield fielding bombs this year and he's dropped his fair share.

I watch most teams play, and yet to see a player take all high balls, whether chasing or receiving.
Also with noone beinge able to screen now, it makes it even harder.

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@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:

Wondering based on training coverage if Lord will get start with Farbian as super sub.

While I'm at it, Lord Farbian is surely a Blackadder character.

Nah, he was the short guy in Shrek

Well they had Blackadder's lord Percy in Shrek.

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Chris-B "completely diffuse" is a bit of hyperbole on my part but he's easily our best under the high ball. As per my post in another thread, I don't like the way chasers are allowed to just jump up and slap it back without a genuine attempt to catch it, makes it unfair on the person fielding the kick.

It would be interesting to do a detailed season-wide analysis of catching high balls to verify who is best (and worst). Not just a raw score of catches and drops - but, looking at catches in traffic and outcomes compared with expected outcomes - some sort of rational scoring system and commentary.

Unfortunately, it would probably require "someone" to watch all the games again. Maybe he (or she!) can do it next year!

@Chris-B that's not how I do things on the Fern, I base my analysis on vibes and feelings, and if someone corrects me with data I demand they be BANNED!

@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Chris-B "completely diffuse" is a bit of hyperbole on my part but he's easily our best under the high ball. As per my post in another thread, I don't like the way chasers are allowed to just jump up and slap it back without a genuine attempt to catch it, makes it unfair on the person fielding the kick.

It would be interesting to do a detailed season-wide analysis of catching high balls to verify who is best (and worst). Not just a raw score of catches and drops - but, looking at catches in traffic and outcomes compared with expected outcomes - some sort of rational scoring system and commentary.

Unfortunately, it would probably require "someone" to watch all the games again. Maybe he (or she!) can do it next year!

No need, 3 groups.
Clarke is best, Jordie a close 2nd.
Then McKenzie, then Beauden, then Jordan.
Then Ioane, Carter and Reece.

Our main problem though is that the other teams kicks are far more contestable than ours, and their attacking chase and defence of are better organised.

@Victor-Meldrew I could get in behind that... but not sure Love is the superstar fullback to offset it.

@reprobate I jotted down the kick results for Boks 1.

They were quite a lot different to that, but one game has very little statistical value.

Any rumours for the team this week?

@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:

Any rumours for the team this week?

Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard

Fuck what a move

Does that mean De Groot shifts to first five

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:

Any rumours for the team this week?

Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard

Too scared of a lineout against Emma.

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:

Any rumours for the team this week?

Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard

Too scared of a lineout against Emma.

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:

Any rumours for the team this week?

Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard

Too scared of a lineout against Emma.

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Rieko is definitely on the outer.

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rieko is definitely on the outer.

He’ll play against Wales for sure.

ALB sucks as a bench option

Gets a bench spot

Make it make sense....

@KiwiMurph Says more about them not trusting LF or RI as 12 cover. They should have been bold and gone with a 6:2 split too.

@Bovidae Leinster must be wishing they’d signed Proctor instead.

Think this team is fairly telling. Sititi to the bench says they are wanting to match England for impact. ALB offers no punch, tend to agree on a 6-2 split, but given the injuries, not sure I'd have Kirifi.

Gonna need another FIIDIM myself performance from DMac to pull this one out.

@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:

ALB sucks as a bench option

Gets a bench spot

Make it make sense....

I guess we will play the final quarter with 14 men again....

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rieko is definitely on the outer.

Rieko would be soooo much better than ALB. Fucken old timers day at Twickenham

6, 13 and 22 are a big let down

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

@KiwiMurph Says more about them not trusting LF or RI as 12 cover. They should have been bold and gone with a 6:2 split too.

I dont understand that they trust Leicester at 13 but not at 12. I would like to see him more at 12 if anything.

@canefan The Barrett's have a history of YCs at Twickenham.

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan The Barrett's have a history of YCs at Twickenham.

13 men then

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rieko is definitely on the outer.

Rieko would be soooo much better than ALB. Fucken old timers day at Twickenham

Dynamic wing or centre vs pedestrian centre…..make it make sense razor…..

A big opportunity for Parker. I’m glad they picked him to start. I much prefer Sititi in the role he has played off the bench.

Proctor I’m a little less sold on but he did a couple of good things when he came on last weekend.

ALB will be as fresh as fresh can be. If only TNT were fit.

Proctor. Well, we're clearly not trying to win the game with pace.

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rieko is definitely on the outer.

Rieko would be soooo much better than ALB. Fucken old timers day at Twickenham

Dynamic wing or centre vs pedestrian centre…..make it make sense razor…..