England v All Blacks

@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:

This All Blacks team is screaming for some X-Factor on the wing.

For me that's Will Jordan. He really doesn't have the skills to be a Test 15.

Who does? I’m not convinced by Love (I think he is a 10). Who are the alternatives? NZ are crying out for the new Israel Dagg to make his appearance.

And here's the other thing, Jordie is still in the team, and is an even better player than he was back then, and has the skillset to completely diffuse opposition bombs which are a key weakness for us right now. Jordie is so much better at 15 than Jordan it's not even funny.

They've had Jordie in the backfield fielding bombs this year and he's dropped his fair share.

I watch most teams play, and yet to see a player take all high balls, whether chasing or receiving.
Also with noone beinge able to screen now, it makes it even harder.

@voodoo said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:

Wondering based on training coverage if Lord will get start with Farbian as super sub.

While I'm at it, Lord Farbian is surely a Blackadder character.

Nah, he was the short guy in Shrek

Well they had Blackadder's lord Percy in Shrek.

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Chris-B "completely diffuse" is a bit of hyperbole on my part but he's easily our best under the high ball. As per my post in another thread, I don't like the way chasers are allowed to just jump up and slap it back without a genuine attempt to catch it, makes it unfair on the person fielding the kick.

It would be interesting to do a detailed season-wide analysis of catching high balls to verify who is best (and worst). Not just a raw score of catches and drops - but, looking at catches in traffic and outcomes compared with expected outcomes - some sort of rational scoring system and commentary.

Unfortunately, it would probably require "someone" to watch all the games again. Maybe he (or she!) can do it next year!

@Chris-B that's not how I do things on the Fern, I base my analysis on vibes and feelings, and if someone corrects me with data I demand they be BANNED!

@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Chris-B "completely diffuse" is a bit of hyperbole on my part but he's easily our best under the high ball. As per my post in another thread, I don't like the way chasers are allowed to just jump up and slap it back without a genuine attempt to catch it, makes it unfair on the person fielding the kick.

It would be interesting to do a detailed season-wide analysis of catching high balls to verify who is best (and worst). Not just a raw score of catches and drops - but, looking at catches in traffic and outcomes compared with expected outcomes - some sort of rational scoring system and commentary.

Unfortunately, it would probably require "someone" to watch all the games again. Maybe he (or she!) can do it next year!

No need, 3 groups.
Clarke is best, Jordie a close 2nd.
Then McKenzie, then Beauden, then Jordan.
Then Ioane, Carter and Reece.

Our main problem though is that the other teams kicks are far more contestable than ours, and their attacking chase and defence of are better organised.

@Victor-Meldrew I could get in behind that... but not sure Love is the superstar fullback to offset it.

@reprobate I jotted down the kick results for Boks 1.

They were quite a lot different to that, but one game has very little statistical value.

Any rumours for the team this week?

@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:

Any rumours for the team this week?

Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard

Fuck what a move

Does that mean De Groot shifts to first five

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:

Any rumours for the team this week?

Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard

Too scared of a lineout against Emma.

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:

Any rumours for the team this week?

Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard

Too scared of a lineout against Emma.

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@upthelanders said in England Vs All Blacks:

Any rumours for the team this week?

Ardie starting at 12 is what I've heard

Too scared of a lineout against Emma.

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Rieko is definitely on the outer.

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rieko is definitely on the outer.

He’ll play against Wales for sure.

ALB sucks as a bench option

Gets a bench spot

Make it make sense....

@KiwiMurph Says more about them not trusting LF or RI as 12 cover. They should have been bold and gone with a 6:2 split too.

@Bovidae Leinster must be wishing they’d signed Proctor instead.

Think this team is fairly telling. Sititi to the bench says they are wanting to match England for impact. ALB offers no punch, tend to agree on a 6-2 split, but given the injuries, not sure I'd have Kirifi.

Gonna need another FIIDIM myself performance from DMac to pull this one out.

@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:

ALB sucks as a bench option

Gets a bench spot

Make it make sense....

I guess we will play the final quarter with 14 men again....

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rieko is definitely on the outer.

Rieko would be soooo much better than ALB. Fucken old timers day at Twickenham

6, 13 and 22 are a big let down

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

@KiwiMurph Says more about them not trusting LF or RI as 12 cover. They should have been bold and gone with a 6:2 split too.

I dont understand that they trust Leicester at 13 but not at 12. I would like to see him more at 12 if anything.

@canefan The Barrett's have a history of YCs at Twickenham.

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan The Barrett's have a history of YCs at Twickenham.

13 men then

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rieko is definitely on the outer.

Rieko would be soooo much better than ALB. Fucken old timers day at Twickenham

Dynamic wing or centre vs pedestrian centre…..make it make sense razor…..

A big opportunity for Parker. I’m glad they picked him to start. I much prefer Sititi in the role he has played off the bench.

Proctor I’m a little less sold on but he did a couple of good things when he came on last weekend.

ALB will be as fresh as fresh can be. If only TNT were fit.

Proctor. Well, we're clearly not trying to win the game with pace.

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rieko is definitely on the outer.

Rieko would be soooo much better than ALB. Fucken old timers day at Twickenham

Dynamic wing or centre vs pedestrian centre…..make it make sense razor…..

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rieko is definitely on the outer.

Rieko would be soooo much better than ALB. Fucken old timers day at Twickenham

Dynamic wing or centre vs pedestrian centre…..make it make sense razor…..

Been a long while since I heard someone describe Rieko Ioane as dynamic

@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

Rieko is definitely on the outer.

Rieko would be soooo much better than ALB. Fucken old timers day at Twickenham

Dynamic wing or centre vs pedestrian centre…..make it make sense razor…..

Been a long while since I heard someone describe Rieko Ioane as dynamic

He's a better MF than ALB, but dynamic winger is definitely a stretch

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

6, 13 and 22 are a big let down

Yeah agree very disappointing the team looks weaker with those 3 inclusions.
I hope Parker proves me wrong and plays a blinder to win we need him too or we could get dominated in the LFs.

I would’ve started Ioane on the left wing not because of any renewed dynamism, but because he’s solid and we have our first choice out. But the main reason is because I would’ve like to have seen QT and LF get another start together in the midfield. Whilst there were a few issues last week with both showing a desire to tuck it up the jumper rather than pass, both are actually capable of distributing and may have been better for the run.

Like it, but bollocks to 10/15/22.

Hilarious to hear Rieko described as dynamic though.

Anton being selected in our national team ruffles my feathers, two of his most recent games of rugby he got bullied by the Stags 12 Peni & under the roof in Dunedin against otago he looked like he was running in mud, it sounds like I have an agenda sure but I just don't think he's as good as he was 5 even 2 years ago

@ACT-Crusader said in England Vs All Blacks:

I would’ve started Ioane on the left wing not because of any renewed dynamism, but because he’s solid and we have our first choice out. But the main reason is because I would’ve like to have seen QT and LF get another start together in the midfield. Whilst there were a few issues last week with both showing a desire to tuck it up the jumper rather than pass, both are actually capable of distributing and may have been better for the run.

Think you can probably get the same out of Leicester on the wing on attack (or at least 75 per cent the same) without the defensive issues we saw in the midfield last week.

Also think that while there are still a few issues with the 23 from an external POV, the current team is quite refreshingly different from the side that ran out against England last year:

Williams, Taylor, Lomax, Barrett, Vaa'i, Sititi, Cane, Savea, Ratima, Barrett, Clarke, Barrett, Ioane, Tele'a, Jordan.

Injury's again proven a great selector this year but Razor is definitely building depth, one way or another.