I don’t think worrying about carrying an extra batter is relevant unless the pitch demands it. We’ve done well so far playing horses for courses.
Fielding still below par and in most cases would lose you games. 2 dropped catches early could have been costly. Bowling unit did pretty well though. In T20 doesn’t matter if someone gets their eye in like Allen and just kills it.
Spectacular opening partnership and individual effort from Allen. Hopefully has one more in him lol
@Chris-B. said in T20 World Cup:
@MN5 Neesh is really the guy you look at - he's just too hittable. Do we need him to bat at 8 if we have McConchie and Henry?
I'd probably be looking at playing Jamieson or Duffy for him.
Unless whomever we play is absolutely stacked with right handed batsmen, playing all of Santner, Rachin and Ish is probably overkill.
England you might think about it - India probably not.
Pretty much anyone over him now
His batting has never come on, pretty rare he posts a score now
And just gets hit out of the park.
Any decent batter or bowler would be better.
Hope he proves me wrong in the final!
@Darren said in T20 World Cup:
@Chris-B. said in T20 World Cup:
@MN5 Neesh is really the guy you look at - he's just too hittable. Do we need him to bat at 8 if we have McConchie and Henry?
I'd probably be looking at playing Jamieson or Duffy for him.
Unless whomever we play is absolutely stacked with right handed batsmen, playing all of Santner, Rachin and Ish is probably overkill.
England you might think about it - India probably not.
Pretty much anyone over him now
His batting has never come on, pretty rare he posts a score now
And just gets hit out of the park.Any decent batter or bowler would be better.
Hope he proves me wrong in the final!
I'm still upset that he never developed into a Stokes style all rounder at test level. a couple of hundreds and some, well, potentially good bowling in his only 12 tests proved he could have done it. I suppose we got some decent CDGH performances.
He has found his Neesh in this format I guess but he's a bit of a passenger of late.
@MN5 said in T20 World Cup:
Any changes needed for the team ? ( if you want to change a team that dished out such a hiding )
Neesham got a wicket but he also went for 14 an over ( next worst was McConchie with nine off his single over which he also took a couple of wickets )
They probably look at Neesham for batting insurance but I'd be tempted to bring Sodhi in
It's a good pickle for the selectors to have I guess.
Neesham just bowled pies to bring him back in the 18th over and he got hit for 22 was a bad move.
McConchie bowled in the power play 2nd over and took 2 wkts that was crucial for us, he also batted very well and help turn the tide in the Sri Lanka game and is and was excellent in the field.
He is now vital in the side in India.
Duffy for me in for Neesham.
@Chris said in T20 World Cup:
@MN5 said in T20 World Cup:
Any changes needed for the team ? ( if you want to change a team that dished out such a hiding )
Neesham got a wicket but he also went for 14 an over ( next worst was McConchie with nine off his single over which he also took a couple of wickets )
They probably look at Neesham for batting insurance but I'd be tempted to bring Sodhi in
It's a good pickle for the selectors to have I guess.
Neesham just bowled pies to bring him back in the 18th over and he got hit for 22 was a bad move.
McConchie bowled in the power play 2nd over and took 2 wkts that was crucial for us, he also batted very well and help turn the tide in the Sri Lanka game and is and was excellent in the field.
He is now vital in the side in India.
Duffy for me in for Neesham.
Not only that he's still only batted once this tournament ( which is a testament to how well the top order has gone )
Yep, you've convinced me. Duffy needs to come in.
Fuck's sake - I'd seen the notification on phone with result, but held off from actually looking at it properly, working my way up to accepting the expected disappointment.
Finally read it - saw "by 9 wickets", and then had to check/double-check the actual winning team.
Then straight to TSF to confirm it was true... not often I bother to watch cricket highlights, but it sounds like it's worth it in this case...
Fantastic result. I see they did select batting all-rounders rather than Duffy and Sodhi. As usual, it looks like Neesham bowled a few overs too many.
@Bovidae said in T20 World Cup:
Fantastic result. I see they did select batting all-rounders rather than Duffy and Sodhi. As usual, it looks like Neesham bowled a few overs too many.
yeah 3 of them
Absolutely awesome result, Finn fucking Allen what a time to step up, he has been in crazy form this year. We can thank the BBL for that!
I was going to get up and watch but I had a job interview this morning, so didn't want to be a complete write off for that. The highlights are going to be fun though. Think I'll take Monday off to watch us lose another final.
@No-Quarter said in T20 World Cup:
Absolutely awesome result, Finn fucking Allen what a time to step up, he has been in crazy form this year. We can thank the BBL for that!
I was going to get up and watch but I had a job interview this morning, so didn't want to be a complete write off for that. The highlights are going to be fun though. Think I'll take Monday off to watch us lose another final.
I'm taking Monday off to watch us win one.
@No-Quarter said in T20 World Cup:
Absolutely awesome result, Finn fucking Allen what a time to step up, he has been in crazy form this year. We can thank the BBL for that!
I was going to get up and watch but I had a job interview this morning, so didn't want to be a complete write off for that. The highlights are going to be fun though. Think I'll take Monday off to watch us lose another final.
Most 6's ever in the BBL now the top 6 hitter in a T20 WC
Hes just 4 runs away from outright 2nd highest run scorer in this WC too
Him and Seifert have scored the most runs opening together as well
Yep, there's a whole list of records that the Allen's innings has broken. Cricinfo has the breakdown:
All are a great read and most remarkable, but I think this one stands out the most
New Zealand, however, have a perfect record against South Africa in knockout matches across all men's ICC events, having now won all four such matches.
@Virgil said in T20 World Cup:
Pretty funny how Rachin has gone from our batsman @ 3 struggling for runs and form to be our top wicket taker in this WC, with 11 wickets. Top wicket takers overall have 13...
Class is permanent....
@bayimports said in T20 World Cup:
All are a great read and most remarkable, but I think this one stands out the most
New Zealand, however, have a perfect record against South Africa in knockout matches across all men's ICC events, having now won all four such matches.
Maybe Dave Rennie needs to couple some of that good juju by getting Mitch Santner to present jerseys before the SA tour....
@SouthernMann said in T20 World Cup:
Then looking at all T20 international centuries, the innings looks a bit different to the ones above it.
I take it that you don't rate the Cypriot or Bulgarian bowling attacks then.
New Zealand now holds 2 of the 3 fastest century records in full member cricket.
Test: McCullum 54 balls
ODI: AB de Villiers 31(!) balls
T20: Finn Allen 33 balls (full member v full member)
plus of course fastest test 200, Nathan Astle in 153 balls with the second 100 in a ridiculous 39 balls.
@KiwiPie said in T20 World Cup:
New Zealand now holds 2 of the 3 fastest century records in full member cricket.
Test: McCullum 54 balls
ODI: AB de Villiers 31(!) balls
T20: Finn Allen 33 balls (full member v full member)plus of course fastest test 200, Nathan Astle in 153 balls with the second 100 in a ridiculous 39 balls.
Cory Anderson briefly held that fastest ODI 100 as well
I’m surprised Astles 200 hasn’t been beaten given the T20 era
Anderson's century was the fastest by a NZer in any format, so Allen has gone past that now.
@KiwiPie said in T20 World Cup:
New Zealand now holds 2 of the 3 fastest century records in full member cricket.
Test: McCullum 54 balls
ODI: AB de Villiers 31(!) balls
T20: Finn Allen 33 balls (full member v full member)plus of course fastest test 200, Nathan Astle in 153 balls with the second 100 in a ridiculous 39 balls.
I thought Ben Stokes got the fastest 200 ?
Harry Brook fastest 300 ?
Brian Lara fastest ( and only ) 400 ?
Doing this off the top of my head, not cheating on cricinfo
Allen really is tailor made for T20. First name down on the team sheet at the moment
Astle 153 balls, Stokes 163.
Brook 310 balls for the triple but Sehwag 278.
Interestingly no wicket keeper has scored a triple. Sangakarra and McCullum both playing purely as batsmen when they scored theirs. Four guys have scored triples and taken wickets in the same match though. Gooch, Jayasuriya Gayle and Clarke.
@KiwiPie said in T20 World Cup:
New Zealand now holds 2 of the 3 fastest century records in full member cricket.
Test: McCullum 54 balls
ODI: AB de Villiers 31(!) balls
T20: Finn Allen 33 balls (full member v full member)plus of course fastest test 200, Nathan Astle in 153 balls with the second 100 in a ridiculous 39 balls.
McCullum had a 195 off 134 balls, caught at long off, so was probably a few meters away from shattering Astles record.
Finally watched the highlights. What a display. The bowling attack choked SA after a promising start, Seifert and Allen were toying with the Saffa bowlers, and were brutal at times. Finn Allen's swing speed was crazy fast, hopefully we haven't shot our bolt early
Watched highlights this evening and we got plenty lucky at times, edges between and over slip and gully, mot sure what de Kock was doing running back and over calling Brevis (henceforth known as Butthead), plenty of miss hits.
Oh yeah, and the TMO over ruling Dazza himself and giving that "catch" as out.
But that's T20.
Plenty to love about the shots that stuck.
@booboo said in T20 World Cup:
Watched highlights this evening and we got plenty lucky at times, edges between and over slip and gully, mot sure what de Kock was doing running back and over calling Brevis (henceforth known as Butthead), plenty of miss hits.
Oh yeah, and the TMO over ruling Dazza himself and giving that "catch" as out.
But that's T20.
Plenty to love about the shots that stuck.
We definitely used a lot of luck up.....
Dare to believe come on old blighty!
Chasing 200 and heaps. They are keeping up with the required runrate.
Would be great to fuck India off out of the tournament
Poms gave it a decent crack, 30 needed off the last over was too much
India winning by 7 runs
welp we have to beat a team that scores 250+ on a pretty regular basis..
@Virgil said in T20 World Cup:
Poms gave it a decent crack, 30 needed off the last over was too much
India winning by 7 runswelp we have to beat a team that scores 250+ on a pretty regular basis..
Well good luck to all you Kiwis. I don't mind this India team but by the cringe I hate all their fellating pundits and comms guys.
@Catogrande said in T20 World Cup:
@Virgil said in T20 World Cup:
Poms gave it a decent crack, 30 needed off the last over was too much
India winning by 7 runswelp we have to beat a team that scores 250+ on a pretty regular basis..
Well good luck to all you Kiwis. I don't mind this India team but by the cringe I hate all their fellating pundits and comms guys.
NZ v England at Ahmedabad would have been the final most of the world wanted. In front of 130k fans in Indian tops. Sad it didnt happen.
Another crazy stat from that Finn Allen innings. He was on 59 when we needed 39 to win. Getting to a century from there is mind boggling stuff! Rachin helped by only scoring one run from that point on.
@Cyclops said in T20 World Cup:
Another crazy stat from that Finn Allen innings. He was on 59 when we needed 39 to win. Getting to a century from there is mind boggling stuff! Rachin helped by only scoring one run from that point on.
Good to see with the game well and truly in the bag that a personal milestone was still able to be achieved.
England unfortunately lost so India coming up in the final. Farkin HUGE match. Duffy in for Neesh, rest of the team to remain the same.
Game on !!!!!!
@Cyclops said in T20 World Cup:
Another crazy stat from that Finn Allen innings. He was on 59 when we needed 39 to win. Getting to a century from there is mind boggling stuff! Rachin helped by only scoring one run from that point on.
Arguably an important single putting Goliath back on strike
England can be proud (disappointed losing) but at least were highly competitive in a high scoring semi. Didn’t go out with a whimper.
India to face their second nemesis after Pakistan in the final. Hopefully our guys pumped and ready for this. Should be fun
@bayimports said in T20 World Cup:
England can be proud (disappointed losing) but at least were highly competitive in a high scoring semi. Didn’t go out with a whimper.
India to face their second nemesis after Pakistan in the final. Hopefully our guys pumped and ready for this. Should be fun
Bethel is a talent. Great innings in a losing effort.
Slightly "different" article. Not sure whether to be offended by the shitty sheep quip or not.
My team for the final.....
Seifert
Allen
Ravindra
Phillips
Chapman
Mitchell
Santner
McConchie
Henry
Duffy
Ferguson
Batting definitely looks weaker on paper like that but the idea of Neesh bowling pies to hungry Indians is quite frankly horrific.
@MN5 said in T20 World Cup:
Slightly "different" article. Not sure whether to be offended by the shitty sheep quip or not.
My team for the final.....
Seifert
Allen
Ravindra
Phillips
Chapman
Mitchell
Santner
McConchie
Henry
Duffy
FergusonBatting definitely looks weaker on paper like that but the idea of Neesh bowling pies to hungry Indians is quite frankly horrific.
Good team, hope it’s the one they choose.
@Canes4life said in T20 World Cup:
@MN5 said in T20 World Cup:
Slightly "different" article. Not sure whether to be offended by the shitty sheep quip or not.
My team for the final.....
Seifert
Allen
Ravindra
Phillips
Chapman
Mitchell
Santner
McConchie
Henry
Duffy
FergusonBatting definitely looks weaker on paper like that but the idea of Neesh bowling pies to hungry Indians is quite frankly horrific.
Good team, hope it’s the one they choose.
So do I. I don't think the old adage of not changing a winning team applies here despite hammering SA like that and if NZ are ANY chance then its imperative they tighten Indian scoring opportunities as much as possible. Neesh just isn't the guy to do that.
Some wonderful strikers in that top seven, as good as any in the World ( which is probably why they made the final )
still question marks on the bowling though.
