Someone isnt a fan of Mills and Lashes on Sports Nation...
@Gunner said in Black Caps tour of India:
Guptill
McCullum (wk)
KW
Taylor
Crowe
Mitchell
Cairns
Vettori
Hadlee
Boult
Bond
my problem with this team is Vettori is not a good enough bat to be at 8. Cairns isn't really good enough at 7 either, especially with some pretty ordinary bowling figures.
This team is getting a hiding from nearly every other best of side.
@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Gunner said in Black Caps tour of India:
Guptill
McCullum (wk)
KW
Taylor
Crowe
Mitchell
Cairns
Vettori
Hadlee
Boult
Bondmy problem with this team is Vettori is not a good enough bat to be at 8. Cairns isn't really good enough at 7 either, especially with some pretty ordinary bowling figures.
This team is getting a hiding from nearly every other best of side.
Slot Kyle Mills in there and we'll be alright mate.
@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
are you okay mate?
Yeah, I guess. I mean come on Mum, Kyle Mills? Really?
@reprobate said in Black Caps tour of India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
are you okay mate?
Yeah, I guess. I mean come on Mum, Kyle Mills? Really?
beggars cannot be choosers. The record of NZ ODI bowlers is appalling. I am not sure mentioning our 2nd all time wicket taker, who has one of the better averages for players who have taken 100 wickets is quite the outrage you seem to think it is. Especially when you factor in his peak world ranking.
Would i put him in? No, the top tier is pretty easy to select. But as a guy to talk about on, you know, a sports discussion forum, it's not that egregious.
For a Nation with our World Cup record, it is astounding how average our All Time XI is.
@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
@reprobate said in Black Caps tour of India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
are you okay mate?
Yeah, I guess. I mean come on Mum, Kyle Mills? Really?
beggars cannot be choosers. The record of NZ ODI bowlers is appalling. I am not sure mentioning our 2nd all time wicket taker, who has one of the better averages for players who have taken 100 wickets is quite the outrage you seem to think it is. Especially when you factor in his peak world ranking.
Would i put him in? No, the top tier is pretty easy to select. But as a guy to talk about on, you know, a sports discussion forum, it's not that egregious.For a Nation with our World Cup record, it is astounding how average our All Time XI is.
Oh agree we're largely shit. But he's totally a longevity pick. Chatfield is ahead of him on that list, and Danny Morrison not far behind, neither of whom would get a mention. Pringle, Allott, Henry all quite a bit better in my opinion. You'd also need to take into account that Mills was easily at his most effective opening the bowling - there's no way he can do that ahead of any of our good quicks.
He did a great job for us, and I probably shouldn't be so disrespectful, but in my defence I have long term scarring from our 120kph bowlers.
Allott is in that long line of guys who came in, looked shit hot, got hurt, and faded away. We have had a few "what if" players.
Our XI best players probably make the test and ODI side if we are realistic. What would be a more entertaining side to pick would be the "cult hero" XI.
Dudes like Roger Twose.
@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
Our XI best players probably make the test and ODI side if we are realistic. What would be a more entertaining side to pick would be the "cult hero" XI.
Dudes like Roger Twose.
Carl Bulfin and Heath Davis are a shoe in to open the bowling.
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
Our XI best players probably make the test and ODI side if we are realistic. What would be a more entertaining side to pick would be the "cult hero" XI.
Dudes like Roger Twose.
Carl Bulfin and Heath Davis are a shoe in to open the bowling.
Jesse Ryder
Cult XI
Greatbatch
Wright
Twose
Ryder
Grant Elliot
Harris
Lance Cairns
Bond
Dipak Patel
Brian McKechnie
Chats
needs work but think its a good start...
edit: no idea who would keep!
@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:
Cult XI
Greatbatch
WrightLatham, R
TwoseBlain
Ryder
Grant Elliot
Harris
Lance Cairns
BondLarsen
Dipak Patel
Brian McKechnie
Chatsneeds work but think its a good start...
You need a keeper, Tony Blain bleached his hair. He'll do.
Some fine and extremely worthy selections from the 92 era in there though.
Shane Bond was far too world class for a team like this, he's no chance.
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:
Cult XI
Greatbatch
WrightLatham, R
TwoseBlain
Ryder
Grant Elliot
Harris
Lance Cairns
BondLarsen
Dipak Patel
Brian McKechnie
Chatsneeds work but think its a good start...
You need a keeper, Tony Blain bleached his hair. He'll do.
Some fine and extremely worthy selections from the 92 era in there though.
Shane Bond was far too world class for a team like this, he's no chance.
Rod for Wright is very good
Taking our Twose for Blain though?
I thought about it but couldnt bring myself to include him but in reality the most likely keeper we've had with his own following is the inventor of Bazball himself.
forgot about Larsen
Greatbatch
Latham Snr
Ryder
Twose
Elliott
Baz
Harris
Lance Cairns
Patel
Larsen
McKechnie
@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:
Cult XI
Greatbatch
WrightLatham, R
TwoseBlain
Ryder
Grant Elliot
Harris
Lance Cairns
BondLarsen
Dipak Patel
Brian McKechnie
Chatsneeds work but think its a good start...
You need a keeper, Tony Blain bleached his hair. He'll do.
Some fine and extremely worthy selections from the 92 era in there though.
Shane Bond was far too world class for a team like this, he's no chance.
Rod for Wright is very good
Taking our Twose for Blain though?
I thought about it but couldnt bring myself to include him but in reality the most likely keeper we've had with his own following is the inventor of Bazball himself.forgot about Larsen
Greatbatch
Latham Snr
Ryder
Twose
Elliott
Baz
Harris
Lance Cairns
Patel
Larsen
McKechnie
Baz far too close to an automatic spot in the "good" team so I wouldn't pick him.
I'd go Bryan Young as a keeper/batsman ( before reinventing himself as a test opener ) I remember him and his mo and some gutsy lower order knocks.
What did Twose do to warrant a mention here ?
I remember thinking it was pretty quirky a pom played for the Black Caps ( or Young Guns as they were then ) but he wasn't that memorable was he ? ( genuine question, in terms of cult qualities ) he had a very good record too.
All the others you mention are extremely memorable.
Harris and Elliot are tailor made for teams like this.
Swap out McCullum for Ian Smith?
Another option for the middle order could be Craig McMillian
Roger Twose? The guy who averaged 80 at the World Cup and was our best bat in the Champions Trophy in 200, the only time i ever saw NZ cricket actually win something until that Test Championship. That Roger Twose?
@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
To add to cult status. Was fat, and a pom
you forgot to add chose to add 77 as jersey number to make shoulders look bigger and gut thinner... respect
@bayimports said in Black Caps tour of India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
To add to cult status. Was fat, and a pom
you forgot to add chose to add 77 as jersey number to make shoulders look bigger and gut thinner... respect
the man is overqualified!
@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
To add to cult status. Was fat, and a pom
Jeepers, Beefy Botham, Gatting, Taylor, Big Merv and Boonie must be clinically obese then !
@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:
Greatbatch
Latham Snr
Ryder
Twose
Elliott
Smithy
Harris
Lance Cairns
Patel
Goldie
McKechnie
Trust an all time NZ CRICKET team to have two fucken All Blacks in there. We're a nation obsessed !
Good team though, definitely capable of sneaking a very odd win here and there.
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:
Greatbatch
Latham Snr
Ryder
Twose
Elliott
Smithy
Harris
Lance Cairns
Patel
Goldie
McKechnieTrust an all time NZ CRICKET team to have two fucken All Blacks in there. We're a nation obsessed !
McKechnie earned cult status both for the ABs and NZ Cricket as well.
Shane Thomson. He could start his spell bowling fast medium and be used in the middle overs bowling off-breaks. A better ODI record with bat and ball than R Latham. And the headband.
Test XI version
2m Peter
Richardson
Sinclair
Rutherford
Ryder
Grandhomme
Smith
Hadlee
Santner
Chats
Chris Martin
Saw the comments re Thomson while typing this out
id be more interested in fitting him into the above test XI than ODI
he did steer us to a famous test win while chasing a large 4th innings target.
@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:
Test XI version
2m Peter
Richardson
Sinclair
Rutherford
Ryder
Grandhomme
Smith
Hadlee
Santner
Chats
Chris MartinSaw the comments re Thomson while typing this out
id be more interested in fitting him into the above test XI than ODI
he did steer us to a famous test win while chasing a large 4th innings target.
I can only assume you mean Dayle, Sir RJ is the first name down in the other team, he can't be in both !!!!
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:
Test XI version
2m Peter
Richardson
Sinclair
Rutherford
Ryder
Grandhomme
Smith
Hadlee
Santner
Chats
Chris MartinSaw the comments re Thomson while typing this out
id be more interested in fitting him into the above test XI than ODI
he did steer us to a famous test win while chasing a large 4th innings target.I can only assume you mean Dayle, Sir RJ is the first name down in the other team, he can't be in both !!!!
No Richard, i mean you look back to the game in the 80's
Especially in OZ, Bay 13 at the MCG
Hadlee is a piston wristed gibbon etc
@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:
Test XI version
2m Peter
Richardson
Sinclair
Rutherford
Ryder
Grandhomme
Smith
Hadlee
Santner
Chats
Chris MartinSaw the comments re Thomson while typing this out
id be more interested in fitting him into the above test XI than ODI
he did steer us to a famous test win while chasing a large 4th innings target.I can only assume you mean Dayle, Sir RJ is the first name down in the other team, he can't be in both !!!!
No Richard, i mean you look back to the game in the 80's
Especially in OZ, Bay 13 at the MCG
Hadlee is a piston wristed gibbon etc
Hadlee was our greatest player AND a character......but I struggle with him being in a "gutsy trier" type team.
Speaking of Oz I saw this recently, so, SO good.