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@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

@pakman said in Boks tour squad:

Aotearoa Pod confidently talking about 44 players.
27/17 split?

I am picking a 26/18 split

4 hookers
8 props
6 locks
8 loose forwards
4 HBs
3 1st fives
5 centres
4 wings
2 FBs

a couple of utilities in the backs.

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell (J Taylor next cab)
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Tu'ungafasi, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Ta'avao (Williams injured?)
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu (Ah Kuoi next cab)
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner (Think there is room for a massive bolter here + Frizell if available)
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Christie
First Fives: McKenzie, Perofeta, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Ioane, A Lienert-Brown, Procter
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Carter, Narawa
Fullbacks: Jordan, B Barrett

@frugby id say Josh Beehre is a certainty for Bok tour.

@george33 said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby id say Josh Beehre is a certainty for Bok tour.

Okay. Which lock are you leaving out then.

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

@pakman said in Boks tour squad:

Aotearoa Pod confidently talking about 44 players.
27/17 split?

I am picking a 26/18 split

4 hookers
8 props
6 locks
8 loose forwards
4 HBs
3 1st fives
5 centres
4 wings
2 FBs

a couple of utilities in the backs.

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell (J Taylor next cab)
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Tu'ungafasi, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Ta'avao (Williams injured?)
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu (Ah Kuoi next cab)
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner (Think there is room for a massive bolter here + Frizell if available)
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Christie
First Fives: McKenzie, Perofeta, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Ioane, A Lienert-Brown, Procter
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Carter, Narawa
Fullbacks: Jordan, B Barrett

I've gone with the below: Mafileo over Ta'avao, B Barrett at 10 over Perofeta, Harkin as a 15, Preston instead of Christie, Fainganuku instead of Ioane as a centre, Ioane to the wing, Beehre in as a lock/6, Bower over Tu'ungafasi

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Bower, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Mafileo
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu, Beehre
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Preston
First Fives: McKenzie, B Barrett, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Proctor, Fainganuku, Leinert-Brown
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Ioane, Narawa, Carter
Fullbacks: Jordan, C Harkin

@frugby Lord or they take extra lock .
Thought the squad was 46-47.

@Canes4life make room for Zarn Sullivan.

@frugby I have a Sixth sense Perofeta's time in nz rugby is drawing to a close, in which event Callum Harkin will have his phone nearby

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner

That really feels underwhelming for some reason. I also can't understand the exclusion of Finau.

@antipodean said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner

That really feels underwhelming for some reason. I also can't understand the exclusion of Finau.

I'd have Papali'i and Flanders in there, but they are off. Oh yeah Finau could get in there as that last loose forward.

@antipodean said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner

That really feels underwhelming for some reason. I also can't understand the exclusion of Finau.

They're all small except Parker, and when the best lineout loosie in your squad is Segner....

@antipodean said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner

That really feels underwhelming for some reason. I also can't understand the exclusion of Finau.

There have been murmurs he is off overseas… would seem unusual for the NZR owned breakdown to put something so baseless in.

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

@pakman said in Boks tour squad:

Aotearoa Pod confidently talking about 44 players.
27/17 split?

I am picking a 26/18 split

4 hookers
8 props
6 locks
8 loose forwards
4 HBs
3 1st fives
5 centres
4 wings
2 FBs

a couple of utilities in the backs.

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell (J Taylor next cab)
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Tu'ungafasi, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Ta'avao (Williams injured?)
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu (Ah Kuoi next cab)
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner (Think there is room for a massive bolter here + Frizell if available)
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Christie
First Fives: McKenzie, Perofeta, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Ioane, A Lienert-Brown, Procter
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Carter, Narawa
Fullbacks: Jordan, B Barrett

I've gone with the below: Mafileo over Ta'avao, B Barrett at 10 over Perofeta, Harkin as a 15, Preston instead of Christie, Fainganuku instead of Ioane as a centre, Ioane to the wing, Beehre in as a lock/6, Bower over Tu'ungafasi

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Bower, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Mafileo
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu, Beehre
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Preston
First Fives: McKenzie, B Barrett, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Proctor, Fainganuku, Leinert-Brown
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Ioane, Narawa, Carter
Fullbacks: Jordan, C Harkin

Forgot about Mafileo… think people are sleeping on Perofeta. I see them picking Sullivan before Harkin.

Harkin a good wee player, but he absolutely reeks to me of a guy who is playing above his station because he has great players around him and is in a good system. Need more at test level.

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@antipodean said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner

That really feels underwhelming for some reason. I also can't understand the exclusion of Finau.

There have been murmurs he is off overseas… would seem unusual for the NZR owned breakdown to put something so baseless in.

That would be another outcome of the two ringed circus Robertson and Robinson - no acrobats or trained animals, just clowns.

@Grooter said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby I have a Sixth sense Perofeta's time in nz rugby is drawing to a close, in which event Callum Harkin will have his phone nearby

Perofeta either never kicked on, or wasn't given much opportunity, or both. Time to look at Harkin, who has been quietly brilliant for the Canes this season

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

@pakman said in Boks tour squad:

Aotearoa Pod confidently talking about 44 players.
27/17 split?

I am picking a 26/18 split

4 hookers
8 props
6 locks
8 loose forwards
4 HBs
3 1st fives
5 centres
4 wings
2 FBs

a couple of utilities in the backs.

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell (J Taylor next cab)
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Tu'ungafasi, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Ta'avao (Williams injured?)
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu (Ah Kuoi next cab)
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner (Think there is room for a massive bolter here + Frizell if available)
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Christie
First Fives: McKenzie, Perofeta, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Ioane, A Lienert-Brown, Procter
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Carter, Narawa
Fullbacks: Jordan, B Barrett

I've gone with the below: Mafileo over Ta'avao, B Barrett at 10 over Perofeta, Harkin as a 15, Preston instead of Christie, Fainganuku instead of Ioane as a centre, Ioane to the wing, Beehre in as a lock/6, Bower over Tu'ungafasi

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Bower, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Mafileo
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu, Beehre
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Preston
First Fives: McKenzie, B Barrett, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Proctor, Fainganuku, Leinert-Brown
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Ioane, Narawa, Carter
Fullbacks: Jordan, C Harkin

Forgot about Mafileo… think people are sleeping on Perofeta. I see them picking Sullivan before Harkin.

Harkin a good wee player, but he absolutely reeks to me of a guy who is playing above his station because he has great players around him and is in a good system. Need more at test level.

I don't get the hype around Sullivan, big boot yes, not too bad under the high ball, but his attacking game is a bit meh. His brother is definitely superior in that regard.

Those teams speculated on further up the thread look a lot like rinse and repeat from the last 3 years.
I am not sure the results are going to be much better with the same players.

Mounga will be in that squad.

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

Those teams speculated on further up the thread look a lot like rinse and repeat from the last 3 years.
I am not sure the results are going to be much better with the same players.

We have no choice to go with similar players to previous years because all the talent playing well in Super Rugby right now are leaving because they weren't selected in previous seasons.

Aside from Frizzell and Mo'unga, who would you have in there?

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

Mounga will be in that squad.

*If available

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

@pakman said in Boks tour squad:

Aotearoa Pod confidently talking about 44 players.
27/17 split?

I am picking a 26/18 split

4 hookers
8 props
6 locks
8 loose forwards
4 HBs
3 1st fives
5 centres
4 wings
2 FBs

a couple of utilities in the backs.

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell (J Taylor next cab)
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Tu'ungafasi, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Ta'avao (Williams injured?)
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu (Ah Kuoi next cab)
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner (Think there is room for a massive bolter here + Frizell if available)
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Christie
First Fives: McKenzie, Perofeta, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Ioane, A Lienert-Brown, Procter
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Carter, Narawa
Fullbacks: Jordan, B Barrett

I've gone with the below: Mafileo over Ta'avao, B Barrett at 10 over Perofeta, Harkin as a 15, Preston instead of Christie, Fainganuku instead of Ioane as a centre, Ioane to the wing, Beehre in as a lock/6, Bower over Tu'ungafasi

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Bower, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Mafileo
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu, Beehre
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Preston
First Fives: McKenzie, B Barrett, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Proctor, Fainganuku, Leinert-Brown
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Ioane, Narawa, Carter
Fullbacks: Jordan, C Harkin

Forgot about Mafileo… think people are sleeping on Perofeta. I see them picking Sullivan before Harkin.

Harkin a good wee player, but he absolutely reeks to me of a guy who is playing above his station because he has great players around him and is in a good system. Need more at test level.

I don't get the hype around Sullivan, big boot yes, not too bad under the high ball, but his attacking game is a bit meh. His brother is definitely superior in that regard.

Sullivan has been more consistent this year than he ever has before… and his game in theory translates nicely to the test rugby.

Dominant in the air, dominant boot.

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

Mounga will be in that squad.

*If available

He will be and Frizell

@Chris Think you’re right.

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

@pakman said in Boks tour squad:

Aotearoa Pod confidently talking about 44 players.
27/17 split?

I am picking a 26/18 split

4 hookers
8 props
6 locks
8 loose forwards
4 HBs
3 1st fives
5 centres
4 wings
2 FBs

a couple of utilities in the backs.

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell (J Taylor next cab)
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Tu'ungafasi, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Ta'avao (Williams injured?)
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu (Ah Kuoi next cab)
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner (Think there is room for a massive bolter here + Frizell if available)
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Christie
First Fives: McKenzie, Perofeta, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Ioane, A Lienert-Brown, Procter
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Carter, Narawa
Fullbacks: Jordan, B Barrett

I've gone with the below: Mafileo over Ta'avao, B Barrett at 10 over Perofeta, Harkin as a 15, Preston instead of Christie, Fainganuku instead of Ioane as a centre, Ioane to the wing, Beehre in as a lock/6, Bower over Tu'ungafasi

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Bower, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Mafileo
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu, Beehre
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Preston
First Fives: McKenzie, B Barrett, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Proctor, Fainganuku, Leinert-Brown
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Ioane, Narawa, Carter
Fullbacks: Jordan, C Harkin

Forgot about Mafileo… think people are sleeping on Perofeta. I see them picking Sullivan before Harkin.

Harkin a good wee player, but he absolutely reeks to me of a guy who is playing above his station because he has great players around him and is in a good system. Need more at test level.

I don't get the hype around Sullivan, big boot yes, not too bad under the high ball, but his attacking game is a bit meh. His brother is definitely superior in that regard.

Sullivan has been more consistent this year than he ever has before… and his game in theory translates nicely to the test rugby.

Dominant in the air, dominant boot.

I agree, those are two skills necessary for the test arena, but if we want the ABs to hum again, we need more than that. Sullivan needs to be able to pull trigger on attack when the opportunity presents itself, to me he's not that sort of fullback yet. Happy to be proven wrong over the remaining weeks of Super.

On the other hand we have someone like Jordan who is fully established but has a woeful kicking game. Will depend on the style of rugby Rennie wants to play.

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

Those teams speculated on further up the thread look a lot like rinse and repeat from the last 3 years.
I am not sure the results are going to be much better with the same players.

We have no choice to go with similar players to previous years because all the talent playing well in Super Rugby right now are leaving because they weren't selected in previous seasons.

Aside from Frizzell and Mo'unga, who would you have in there?

Yeah a major problem your side is close to what I would like to see.

Mounga for Harkin
Frizell for Jacobsen
Gardiner could be looked at
Probably not a lot else when I look.

Really there are too many players not up to it we have to select which is my worry.
The SA tour could be brutal as far as results go.

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

Frizell for Jacobsen

Not competing for the same position. I'd be taking Jacobson as a 7 ahead of Kirifi.

Kirifi and Lakai will be under pressure to make early squads .

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

Those teams speculated on further up the thread look a lot like rinse and repeat from the last 3 years.
I am not sure the results are going to be much better with the same players.

We have no choice to go with similar players to previous years because all the talent playing well in Super Rugby right now are leaving because they weren't selected in previous seasons.

Aside from Frizzell and Mo'unga, who would you have in there?

Yeah a major problem your side is close to what I would like to see.

Mounga for Harkin
Frizell for Jacobsen
Gardiner could be looked at
Probably not a lot else when I look.

Really there are too many players not up to it we have to select which is my worry.
The SA tour could be brutal as far as results go.

If Mo'unga is available this might be an unpopular opinion, but I'd take Harkin over BB.

If the ultimate goal is to prepare our players for the WC next year, then why take someone who's going to be even further over the hill in 18 months time.

Hmmm, Gardiner isn't imposing enough for an AB eight. Definitely the key ingredient this AB side is missing.

Assuming they don't have their eye on another colour jersey at international level, id be picking any form player, regardless of whether they play abroad next season or not.

This tour is as much about development and getting points on the board for restoring confidence.

@george33 said in Boks tour squad:

Kirifi and Lakai will be under pressure to make early squads .

I didn't realise your source was Rennie himself.

You're making statements like these decisions have been made. We all know AB coaches don't make big selection calls until they've seen players under stress in the playoffs.

The thing I don't get with New Zealand Rugby, the previous coaching group, media, fans etc. is this over fixation on beating the Springboks. Yes it's important, but we shouldn't be selecting a whole squad to counter just them.

What happened to picking the right players to play our brand of footy? Heck, if we get it right, the Boks should be the ones worrying.

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

Those teams speculated on further up the thread look a lot like rinse and repeat from the last 3 years.
I am not sure the results are going to be much better with the same players.

We have no choice to go with similar players to previous years because all the talent playing well in Super Rugby right now are leaving because they weren't selected in previous seasons.

Aside from Frizzell and Mo'unga, who would you have in there?

Yeah a major problem your side is close to what I would like to see.

Mounga for Harkin
Frizell for Jacobsen
Gardiner could be looked at
Probably not a lot else when I look.

Really there are too many players not up to it we have to select which is my worry.
The SA tour could be brutal as far as results go.

This squad is going to be so big that it is absolutely going to contain almost all of the same old players, plus a few new ones - it's more about the 23 on the field and the gameplan where we can hope for major changes.

i find the Frizzell love so weird, i copped so much flack back before i saw the light, 99% of people thought he was rubbish in the black jersey and were desperate to see him dropped...and now we think a few years playing in Japan will have made him better prepared to face the Bokke?

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

@pakman said in Boks tour squad:

Aotearoa Pod confidently talking about 44 players.
27/17 split?

I am picking a 26/18 split

4 hookers
8 props
6 locks
8 loose forwards
4 HBs
3 1st fives
5 centres
4 wings
2 FBs

a couple of utilities in the backs.

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell (J Taylor next cab)
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Tu'ungafasi, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Ta'avao (Williams injured?)
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu (Ah Kuoi next cab)
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner (Think there is room for a massive bolter here + Frizell if available)
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Christie
First Fives: McKenzie, Perofeta, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Ioane, A Lienert-Brown, Procter
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Carter, Narawa
Fullbacks: Jordan, B Barrett

I've gone with the below: Mafileo over Ta'avao, B Barrett at 10 over Perofeta, Harkin as a 15, Preston instead of Christie, Fainganuku instead of Ioane as a centre, Ioane to the wing, Beehre in as a lock/6, Bower over Tu'ungafasi

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Bower, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Mafileo
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu, Beehre
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Preston
First Fives: McKenzie, B Barrett, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Proctor, Fainganuku, Leinert-Brown
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Ioane, Narawa, Carter
Fullbacks: Jordan, C Harkin

Forgot about Mafileo… think people are sleeping on Perofeta. I see them picking Sullivan before Harkin.

Harkin a good wee player, but he absolutely reeks to me of a guy who is playing above his station because he has great players around him and is in a good system. Need more at test level.

I don't get the hype around Sullivan, big boot yes, not too bad under the high ball, but his attacking game is a bit meh. His brother is definitely superior in that regard.

i think the way i see this kind of thing is, are there other that can spark attack?....yes....would a big boot be a benefit and something we haven't had in abundance...yes...so would be a net improvement

@Kiwiwomble said in Boks tour squad:

i find the Frizzell love so weird, i copped so much flack back before i saw the light, 99% of people thought he was rubbish in the black jersey and were desperate to see him dropped...and now we think a few years playing in Japan will have made him better prepared to face the Bokke?

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life said in Boks tour squad:

@frugby said in Boks tour squad:

@Chris said in Boks tour squad:

@pakman said in Boks tour squad:

Aotearoa Pod confidently talking about 44 players.
27/17 split?

I am picking a 26/18 split

4 hookers
8 props
6 locks
8 loose forwards
4 HBs
3 1st fives
5 centres
4 wings
2 FBs

a couple of utilities in the backs.

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell (J Taylor next cab)
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Tu'ungafasi, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Ta'avao (Williams injured?)
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu (Ah Kuoi next cab)
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner (Think there is room for a massive bolter here + Frizell if available)
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Christie
First Fives: McKenzie, Perofeta, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Ioane, A Lienert-Brown, Procter
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Carter, Narawa
Fullbacks: Jordan, B Barrett

I've gone with the below: Mafileo over Ta'avao, B Barrett at 10 over Perofeta, Harkin as a 15, Preston instead of Christie, Fainganuku instead of Ioane as a centre, Ioane to the wing, Beehre in as a lock/6, Bower over Tu'ungafasi

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Bower, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Mafileo
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu, Beehre
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Preston
First Fives: McKenzie, B Barrett, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Proctor, Fainganuku, Leinert-Brown
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Ioane, Narawa, Carter
Fullbacks: Jordan, C Harkin

Forgot about Mafileo… think people are sleeping on Perofeta. I see them picking Sullivan before Harkin.

Harkin a good wee player, but he absolutely reeks to me of a guy who is playing above his station because he has great players around him and is in a good system. Need more at test level.

I don't get the hype around Sullivan, big boot yes, not too bad under the high ball, but his attacking game is a bit meh. His brother is definitely superior in that regard.

i think the way i see this kind of thing is, are there other that can spark attack?....yes....would a big boot be a benefit and something we haven't had in abundance...yes...so would be a net improvement

That's why I would have Harkin over Sullivan, he has a very solid boot, strong under the high ball, but what he's really been good at this year is accelerating to the line (sometimes through it) and putting his wingers away. Moorby and Fineanganofo have been made to look even better because of what Harkin's brought at the back.

If they go with Sullivan, at least he'll be an improvement on the aging BB.

If you go for Zarn at 15, that would suggest quite a different game plan to a Jordan / Beauden / Harkin / McKenzie. You're not really counter-attacking or playmaking from fullback, you're playing a field position and high ball game. Jordie can play 15 like that too, so you do have a contingency option there.

I can't see it myself given Rennie's history (and I have a preference for running rugby), but it is an option that could work.

@Kiwiwomble said in Boks tour squad:

i find the Frizzell love so weird

So do I but you can pen him, Mounga and Beauden into the Bok squad bar injury. They are gonna be there. The question is what role will all 3 be playing.

@Kiwiwomble said in Boks tour squad:

i find the Frizzell love so weird, i copped so much flack back before i saw the light, 99% of people thought he was rubbish in the black jersey and were desperate to see him dropped...and now we think a few years playing in Japan will have made him better prepared to face the Bokke?

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@pakman said in Boks tour squad:

Aotearoa Pod confidently talking about 44 players.
27/17 split?

I am picking a 26/18 split

4 hookers
8 props
6 locks
8 loose forwards
4 HBs
3 1st fives
5 centres
4 wings
2 FBs

a couple of utilities in the backs.

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell (J Taylor next cab)
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Tu'ungafasi, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Ta'avao (Williams injured?)
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu (Ah Kuoi next cab)
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner (Think there is room for a massive bolter here + Frizell if available)
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Christie
First Fives: McKenzie, Perofeta, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Ioane, A Lienert-Brown, Procter
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Carter, Narawa
Fullbacks: Jordan, B Barrett

I've gone with the below: Mafileo over Ta'avao, B Barrett at 10 over Perofeta, Harkin as a 15, Preston instead of Christie, Fainganuku instead of Ioane as a centre, Ioane to the wing, Beehre in as a lock/6, Bower over Tu'ungafasi

Hookers: C Taylor, Taukei'aho, Aumua, G Bell
Props: de Groot, Numia, Norris, Bower, Newell, Tosi, Lomax, Mafileo
Locks: Holland, S Barrett, Lord, Vaa'i, Darry, Tuipulotu, Beehre
Loose Forwards: Parker, Savea, Lakai, Sititi, Kirifi, Jacobson, Lio-Willie, Segner
Halfbacks: Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Preston
First Fives: McKenzie, B Barrett, Love
Midfielders: Tupaea, J Barrett, Proctor, Fainganuku, Leinert-Brown
Wingers: Clarke, Tangitau, Ioane, Narawa, Carter
Fullbacks: Jordan, C Harkin

Forgot about Mafileo… think people are sleeping on Perofeta. I see them picking Sullivan before Harkin.

Harkin a good wee player, but he absolutely reeks to me of a guy who is playing above his station because he has great players around him and is in a good system. Need more at test level.

I don't get the hype around Sullivan, big boot yes, not too bad under the high ball, but his attacking game is a bit meh. His brother is definitely superior in that regard.

i think the way i see this kind of thing is, are there other that can spark attack?....yes....would a big boot be a benefit and something we haven't had in abundance...yes...so would be a net improvement

In normal AB loosie circumstances, it would be weird - but given how our loosies have been either underpowered or underwhelming (or both) for 2 years... not so much.
I do think we can do better, but he'd make a squad.

@Canes4life Not at all just my opinion.

@george33 said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life Not at all just my opinion.

I find it hard to tell what's your opinion versus a statement that you've heard from your source.

@Canes4life that's definitely my opinion.
Just aren't doing it for me , just my take on it .
Very congested area.

@george33 said in Boks tour squad:

@Canes4life that's definitely my opinion.
Just aren't doing it for me , just my take on it .
Very congested area.

You're allowed your opinion mate, I just thought you heard something.

@Canes4life No not at all .