@Cyclops said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
We also have a 4 test series against Australia including a boxing day test that will probably stuff us. I've never been able to get a good sense of possible outcomes with the percentage system the WTC uses, so no idea how much that hurts us.
The Ireland match doesn't matter though, they're not in the WTC (nor are Zimbabwe or Afghanistan).
penalties for slow over rates also effect that percentage system.
I'm happy we are playing Ireland, great exposure for them and we get a good warm up going into the England series. For once NZ cricket has got something half right re: scheduling.
@Canes4life said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
@MN5 said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
So this will be Irelands 10th test match and their first against NZ.
They've beaten Zimbabwe twice, Afghanistan once and lost to Afghanistan, Sri Lanka ( twice ), England ( twice ) Bangladesh and Pakistan. Not one draw curiously enough.
That indicates they're not entirely shit and worthy of test status which can only be good for the game.
However I hope the BCs select their top team and give them a sound beating.
Are we a good chance of making the test final if we beat Ireland, then England away,? Or is there still plenty of cricket to play. I've been out of the loop with the BCs so haven't caught up with everything.
Unfortunately the Ireland result means nothing in terms of WTC points.
Two away series against England and Australia will be huge.
New Zealand have the talent to do well ( so, SO many top class players ) but its the hope that kills ya !
KW stat update ( mainly for the old boy @Virgil )
Currently sitting on an incredible 9,461 runs at 54.68.
eight tests coming up vs Ireland, England and Australia. So potentially 16 innings to get 539 runs and join a very elite list, only 15 guys on there.
Not accounting for not outs and assuming he averages a very modest ( for him ) 33.68 during this period he'll get there. If he bumps the average up a bit he'll get there this year ( last Aussie test is in January next year )
I don't know KW from a bar of soap but I can 100% guarantee that milestone will be in his sights.
As it stands he's not actually our top rated player at the moment. He's fifth in the batting rankings behind Root, Brook, Head and Smith.
Our best is Matt Henry who is ranked an amazing third behind Bumrah and Starc.
@MN5 said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
I don't know KW from a bar of soap but I can 100% guarantee that milestone will be in his sights.
From everything I know about him, he is remarkably unconcerned about personal milestones - otherwise he'd have a lot more ODI centuries.
@KiwiPie said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
@MN5 said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
I don't know KW from a bar of soap but I can 100% guarantee that milestone will be in his sights.
From everything I know about him, he is remarkably unconcerned about personal milestones - otherwise he'd have a lot more ODI centuries.
Interesting. Bit of a contrast to our other ATG Paddles. He was stats obsessed.
I remember reading when he played against Sri Lanka him and Jeff Crowe were in the middle of a big partnership. Apparently someone let them know that whoever got the next hundred would score the hundredth ton for NZ. Given Hadlee had broken every single bowling record under the sun at that point ( and continued to do so ) one would think he'd do the magnanimous thing and let Crowe get it. Not Hadlee, he accelerated his scoring rate and got there ahead of him ! poor old Jeff Crowe, always in his brothers shadow had to make do with scoring century number 101 !
Back to KW, I hope he doesn't have an end of career slump like Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting and Dravid. Those guys all went on too long.
@MN5 said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
eight tests coming up vs Ireland, England and Australia. So potentially 16 innings to get 539 runs and join a very elite list, only 15 guys on there.
There are two tests against India at home in November as well (also part of the WTC)!
Looks like the team will be even more inexperienced than before.
Any Irish ferner cricket fans out there ?
I think I already know the answer.
@Bovidae said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
Disappointing that the returning quick bowlers aren't playing.
We're batting first.
Taking Ireland lightly ?
I can't believe none of Henry, Jamieson or O'Rourke are playing.
Bowling line up should still do the job but very journeymanish in comparison.
I'll have a go on at this but it's a bit of a long story. Basically the team was elevated to Test status following quite reasonable performances in the 50-over World Cups in 2007, 2011 and 2015. That team was a bit of a relative golden generation for Irish cricket with the likes of Joyce, Morgan, the O'Briens, Rankin, Porterfield and Stirling all coming through at around the same time in what is a minority sport here.
However, as mentioned up thread, this is only Ireland's 12th test since their first one in 2018. There seems to be quite serious challenges regarding funding and this has impacted the fixture list quite a bit. For a few years there was a domestic three-day interprovincial championship but that hasn't been contested since 2019, raising the question of how can Ireland expect to produce test players with no domestic first class cricket? A lot of the 2007 to 2015 era team were able to develop this experience in English county cricket but that option is mainly off the table at the moment as Irish players are now considered to be 'overseas' and so less attractive to English counties. Another little flurry of players did emerge just after the Covid years in Little, the Tectors and Tucker - possibly the last ones to benefit from having had a domestic multi-day competition to play in. In more recent years many of the debutants and development squad members have been Irish-qualified players originally from overseas.
In response to the question posed elsewhere concerning why this is a four-day game? Again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's as simple as that it's because they are less expensive to host than five-day games.
@Beige-XI said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
how can Ireland expect to produce test players with no domestic first class cricket?
this is key. I understand that was a critical element in Bangladesh getting regular test status.
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Also NZ doing pretty well - Ravindra 120 odd and Blundell 128* as I type. Irish bowler adair looks good, tall, getting bounce
Blundell with a career extending knock at a much needed time. Ravindra sounded class too. Things looking slightly dicey there for awhile so good on both. Good support from our latest South African import too.
KW with a real "meh" score of 36, when he makes a start he almost always goes on. Most unusual.
Declaration after the first session maybe ? it's only a four day test after all.
I was a bit grumpy at the Black Caps when falling asleep at the lunch break, but Blundell and Ravindra did very well.
Agreed on declaration at lunch today, unless they gamble on only batting once
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
I was a bit grumpy at the Black Caps when falling asleep at the lunch break, but Blundell and Ravindra did very well.
Agreed on declaration at lunch today, unless they gamble on only batting once
Yeah they have to balance whether this "midweek" bowling attack can do the job as it's "only Ireland" or not......
You can forgive Conway for getting out to that catch. Terrible camerawork in these highlights though.
@Bovidae said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
You can forgive Conway for getting out to that catch.
Nice looking ground.
So weird hearing cricket commentators with Irish accents.
......and yeah, hell of a catch.
Ravindra played some really lovely shots. Blundell did too to be fair.
In years to come Liam McCarthy can regale people over a Guiness or 20 that his first test wicket was that of Kane Williamson. That's pretty good shit really.
150 for Blundell, 50 for Foxcroft on debut. 386/5
"only" Ireland but these two and of course Ravindra dug NZ out of some shit.
Lunchtime declaration on the cards.
Going to script as Ireland are following on. Unlucky for Foxcroft to not get a century on debut.
@Bovidae said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
following on
I thought that was illegal?
What about Laxman?
The bowlers will implode under the workload ...
@Bovidae said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
You can forgive Conway for getting out to that catch. Terrible camerawork in these highlights though.
Yeah as soon as I started watching, I was reminded how poor the camerawork was during our bunch of white-ball games there a few years back. Must be hiring locals rather than putting couple of specialist cricket camera ops who know how to track a cricket ball in those key camera positions.
@MN5 said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
and of course Ravindra dug NZ out of some shit.
thats high praise for Ravindra coming from you 
@bayimports said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
@MN5 said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
and of course Ravindra dug NZ out of some shit.
thats high praise for Ravindra coming from you
Fair.
he is definitely justifying the hype I must say. I would dearly love him to have a huge series vs England ( along with any number of others ) it's worth noting he is the only one of the top six not 34/35 years of age too.
Great to see Nathan Smith among the wickets. Could be a crucial team member given the three main men all have a bad habit of breaking at the drop of a hat.
The thing with Ravindra he is very naturally talented,But I have seen this a lot, he gets bored batting it is almost too easy so he finds ways to get himself out.
He needs to get hungry and set targets to stay focused.
Crowe-Thorpe is very poignant as a trophy, both those two lost far too young. That article is a good read.
@Chris said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
The thing with Ravindra he is very naturally talented,But I have seen this a lot, he gets bored batting it is almost too easy so he finds ways to get himself out.
He needs to get hungry and set targets to stay focused.
Mark Waugh/David Gower syndrome
After two weeks of heat and sunshine forecast this week …. Rain.
Got a members ticket Thursday too.
Shithouse.
@MN5 said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
@Chris said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
The thing with Ravindra he is very naturally talented,But I have seen this a lot, he gets bored batting it is almost too easy so he finds ways to get himself out.
He needs to get hungry and set targets to stay focused.Mark Waugh/David Gower syndrome
Exactly right
@1kiwi said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
That first choice side looks extremely strong provided everyone is fit.
Top six set in stone. Most settled and best top order in New Zealand Cricket history.
Smith benefits from a strong showing against Ireland. 8/9/10 can all bat too which is such a bonus.
Foxcroft did everything right except get a ton. Like Mitch Hay earlier this year he can count himself pretty unlucky assuming Phillips or Santner get in ahead of him. Only got to bowl one over too.
@Chris said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
@MN5 said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
@Chris said in Black Caps Test Tour to England & Ireland:
The thing with Ravindra he is very naturally talented,But I have seen this a lot, he gets bored batting it is almost too easy so he finds ways to get himself out.
He needs to get hungry and set targets to stay focused.Mark Waugh/David Gower syndrome
Exactly right
Well, they can't all be KW. I'd happily settle for a record similar to those guys from Ravindra to be honest.
