@MN5 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@Donsteppa said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
It'll all come out at some stage, but I'm assuming it was his decision. While he's looked like the spark has gone, we still have Blundell and Conway being automatically selected in our top six. Kane wouldn't have been at selection risk there...
…..and Latham. He’s done fuck all too
Slightly harsh on Conway who appears to have fought back from a real tough period.
Daryl Mitchell also hasn't got a test ton in over three years.
At least Conway gave some blood sweat and tears in his second innings at Lord's, which is more than a lot of the others can say. He's clearly not at his best, he tried to tough it out and unfortunately got out just as it looked like he might have steadied the ship somewhat
@canefan said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
Who's the next man up?
Rhys Mariu
Time to move on from Young and Nicholls.
@MN5 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@canefan said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
Who's the next man up?
Rhys Mariu
Time to move on from Young and Nicholls.
Is he in the tour party?
@canefan said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@MN5 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@canefan said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
Who's the next man up?
Rhys Mariu
Time to move on from Young and Nicholls.
Is he in the tour party?
No but Nicholls is
@Chris said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@canefan said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@MN5 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@canefan said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
Who's the next man up?
Rhys Mariu
Time to move on from Young and Nicholls.
Is he in the tour party?
No but Nicholls is
For a guy much maligned on the Fern, it's his time to shine. If Satnav can be redeemed, so can Henry
Now that the dust has settled does the question need to be asked......
Did he do enough to usurp Paddles as our best ever ?
For me, no.
I never imagined a Black Cap would cross that magic 50 average, let alone 54.06 over 110 goddamn test matches. It's world class.
Just for reference that average places him above Tendulkar, Root, Ponting, Dravid, Lara, Border, S Waugh, Gavaskar, Miandad, Richards.....guys who played in and around that number of matches give or take.
2nd to Steve Smith and ahead of Root and Kohli in terms of the other "fab four".
7256 ODI runs at 48.69. Bloody hell that's a fantastic record !
There's always the niggling feeling ( especially on sub continent forums ) that he minnow bashed in New Zealand ( a staggering 65.76 at home vs a still very good 40.95 away ) so there is some truth in what they say.......but lots of players have records that sway that way.
No matter how many runs someone might score a team still needs to take wickets to win matches......
No one did that better for NZ than Paddles, especially during the 80s after a bit of an ironing out period the decade before. Paddles pretty much kicked arse everywhere ( actually slightly better away average of 21.72 vs 22.96 at home )
He didn't get to play Bangladesh, Ireland or Zimbabwe.
KW was surrounded by different degrees of very good cricketers in his career ( albeit no one who challenged him as the teams best player )
Paddles had a supporting cast of some pretty bog standard test players in comparison. Cult heroes for sure but overall not in the class of KWs teammates. Paddles carried the fortunes of NZ cricket pretty much on his own when he played.
Paddles was the first man to 400 test wickets.
Paddles was a better batsman than KW was a bowler.
To sum up, the two best players NZ have produced by quite a margin ( Martin Crowe sits third ), but to me there's a very distinct one and two.
God I wish they had played in the same era !
Our best batsman without question, and a record bar none. An odd way to finish his career however which is a little dissapointing as it overshadows his retirement a little. He deserved a better send off, timing and results-wise.
sliding off mid-series in England is a little disappointing from a kiwi fan perspective. Little bloke deserves an adoring send off at a packed NZ ground.
@mariner4life said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
sliding off mid-series in England is a little disappointing from a kiwi fan perspective. Little bloke deserves an adoring send off at a packed NZ ground.
He does, but I really think he doesn't care about that stuff - or the 10k milestone. In my head he just figured he wasn't at his best, the passion to work to get back there wasn't there so he thought better to step aside and let someone else build. In fairness looking at the season the sooner we get people in the fold the better.
@nzzp Exactly what I was going to say!
Kane v Paddles best ever...........
You can score 1000 runs but it takes 20 wickets to win a Test Match!
Kane has always been the typically understated Kiwi so he pulled stumps when he was ready.
So much better than the current international wankfests we have been watching as someone way past his prime but is a bit of a legend is cheered around the country playing their last Test series and does sod all.
@nzzp said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@mariner4life said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
sliding off mid-series in England is a little disappointing from a kiwi fan perspective. Little bloke deserves an adoring send off at a packed NZ ground.
He does, but I really think he doesn't care about that stuff - or the 10k milestone. In my head he just figured he wasn't at his best, the passion to work to get back there wasn't there so he thought better to step aside and let someone else build. In fairness looking at the season the sooner we get people in the fold the better.
Sounds typically KW. Hopefully his replacement can rip it up
@Xpat85 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@nzzp Exactly what I was going to say!
Kane v Paddles best ever...........
You can score 1000 runs but it takes 20 wickets to win a Test Match!
Kane has always been the typically understated Kiwi so he pulled stumps when he was ready.
So much better than the current international wankfests we have been watching as someone way past his prime but is a bit of a legend is cheered around the country playing their last Test series and does sod all.
Fern favourite Tim Southee come on down
@MN5 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@Xpat85 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@nzzp Exactly what I was going to say!
Kane v Paddles best ever...........
You can score 1000 runs but it takes 20 wickets to win a Test Match!
Kane has always been the typically understated Kiwi so he pulled stumps when he was ready.
So much better than the current international wankfests we have been watching as someone way past his prime but is a bit of a legend is cheered around the country playing their last Test series and does sod all.Fern favourite Tim Southee come on down
Yeah funny that and maybe Kane didn’t want that given that exact scenario
@bayimports said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@MN5 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@Xpat85 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@nzzp Exactly what I was going to say!
Kane v Paddles best ever...........
You can score 1000 runs but it takes 20 wickets to win a Test Match!
Kane has always been the typically understated Kiwi so he pulled stumps when he was ready.
So much better than the current international wankfests we have been watching as someone way past his prime but is a bit of a legend is cheered around the country playing their last Test series and does sod all.Fern favourite Tim Southee come on down
Yeah funny that and maybe Kane didn’t want that given that exact scenario
He should have broken curfew and gone drinking
@bayimports said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@MN5 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@Xpat85 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@nzzp Exactly what I was going to say!
Kane v Paddles best ever...........
You can score 1000 runs but it takes 20 wickets to win a Test Match!
Kane has always been the typically understated Kiwi so he pulled stumps when he was ready.
So much better than the current international wankfests we have been watching as someone way past his prime but is a bit of a legend is cheered around the country playing their last Test series and does sod all.Fern favourite Tim Southee come on down
Yeah funny that and maybe Kane didn’t want that given that exact scenario
KW drops himself for the good of the game. What a legend
@nzzp said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@mariner4life said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
sliding off mid-series in England is a little disappointing from a kiwi fan perspective. Little bloke deserves an adoring send off at a packed NZ ground.
He does, but I really think he doesn't care about that stuff - or the 10k milestone. In my head he just figured he wasn't at his best, the passion to work to get back there wasn't there so he thought better to step aside and let someone else build. In fairness looking at the season the sooner we get people in the fold the better.
Yeah fair to say some of his similarly aged teammates haven't been setting the world alight.
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@MN5 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
Paddles had a supporting cast of some pretty bog standard test players in comparison.
Been listening to an interview with Martin Snedden and he pretty much said that. Reckons Hadlee been a bit misunderstood and was more of a team player and sociable guy than he's given credit for, but that the stress of carrying the team weighed heavy
@dogmeat said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
@MN5 said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
Paddles had a supporting cast of some pretty bog standard test players in comparison.
Been listening to an interview with Martin Snedden and he pretty much said that. Reckons Hadlee been a bit misunderstood and was more of a team player and sociable guy than he's given credit for, but that the stress of carrying the team weighed heavy
Hadlee had a few books most if not all are on my bookshelf somewhere......I do remember him writing a column in the paper cos some players were late for morning warm ups ? that didn't go down too well, neither did the car situation.
There was also that huge bust up with Jeremy Coney.
Hadlee in interviews seems like he has really dry wit, a definite sense of humour but yeah, privately he might have wondered if some of his teammates were worth sharing a pitch with !
Hadlee said somewhere he did so well partly and indubitably because of Chats down the other end being such a frustrating bowler.
Me, I liked Lance Cairns. More for his performative dance bowling than for the actual stats.
Speaking of Paddles and Chats, was their birthday yesterday.
Hadlee's first book (Rhythm and Swing) specifically calls out Chats as being a great bowler and essential to Hadlee's success.
@Godder said in Kane Williamson retires from international cricket:
Speaking of Paddles and Chats, was their birthday yesterday.
Hadlee's first book (Rhythm and Swing) specifically calls out Chats as being a great bowler and essential to Hadlee's success.
They were great combination. Chats choke the life out of them and Hadlee bagged them up