I like it, Rennie continues to pick shit hot backlines which is such a huge positive this year, means we are going to be dangerous in every test. I would have started Clarke but Moorby is in hot form and Clarke can offer quite a bit of punch from the bench. Segner and Lakai could offer some serious impact from the bench as well if we want to speed things up in the 2nd 40.
I would have started Sami. Otherwise I like it. Giving Vaai a shot at 6 is a good move.
So glad Rennie is trying stuff out. Bringing Segner and Lakai on in the 2nd half would be a top move.
Moorby is a Snakey reincarnation. Always good value.
It would be nice to start better, we have conceded points very early in both games, sure we won and that's all that matters ultimately, but it aint ideal.
Little bit of oil.
We're going to try and score more points than Ireland, while attempting to keep them to less points than us. Hence the selections.
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Little bit of oil.
We're going to try and score more points than Ireland, while attempting to keep them to less points than us. Hence the selections.
It’s like having Graham Henry and the Ghost of Fred Allen amongst us. Amazing stuff !
@MN5 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Little bit of oil.
We're going to try and score more points than Ireland, while attempting to keep them to less points than us. Hence the selections.
It’s like having Graham Henry and the Ghost of Fred Allen amongst us. Amazing stuff !
I've seen it on paper.
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MN5 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Little bit of oil.
We're going to try and score more points than Ireland, while attempting to keep them to less points than us. Hence the selections.
It’s like having Graham Henry and the Ghost of Fred Allen amongst us. Amazing stuff !
I've seen it on paper.
You'll be seeing it on the Myth in no time.
@taniwharugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
but it aint ideal.
better than last year
start well and finish shite
@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I don't think leaving out Darry is as big an issue as being made out. All our locks are of a decent standard, which isn't to say Darry hasn't performed best so far, but I remember even during the team naming some posters not being on board with him.
I think lock is the one position in the current ABs I don't mind us mixing up so much.
Not a huge fan of Vai'i at 6 though but maybe Rennie can make it work.
Our locks haven’t made the transition to No. 6 well including Vai’i last time. New coaches so they can have a crack and see how it goes. He has a good work rate, is physical around breakdown, not sure how he rates for dominant tackles?
Would like to see Samisoni at 2 and Taylor on the bench. On form Darry should be there but perhaps its a bit of rest/rotation and trying to get PT some game time. Boks rotate their form players so don't have an issue with it, but would like to see Darry start in 2nd row against Boks in game 1 when we need our best players out there.
@Bovidae said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@akan004 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Would have preferred Tosi over Newell and what's this obsession with Taylor?
Ryan obviously has plenty of say in the front row selections. I hope we see changes by the end of the SA tour.
ABs want to attack Irish scrum. It's weakest aspect of Sami's game.
I think the other thing with PT starting, with injuries, it kind of makes sense rather than him coming off bench. If he comes off bench and injury flares up, you already used your lock reserves, this way, it flares up Vai'i will move in one. Almost guarantee that is how it will end up just after halftime anyway.
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@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
For the loose forwards, ideally Jacobson is fit and has the game he did against the French, Lakai also plays a blinder and Savea plays the way he did in the second half against the Italians (inability to take a winger to ground notwithstanding). Segner on the bench.
Moorby stays in the 23 - starting if neither Fehi nor Clarke are 100% fit).
With Darry having a blinder the last two weeks, I'd pair him with Lord and keep Vaa'i on the bench.
If they stick with Taylor starting, then Aumua must surely get a chance.
Props pick themselves.
Proctor (despite regularly getting done on the outside) should start again. I think we'll just score more often than the Irish can.
Vaai at 6 maybe?
Called it.
@BerniesCorner said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Moorby is a Snakey reincarnation. Always good value.
Josh "Snake Eyes" Moorby .
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Vaa’i at blindside confirms they’re still searching for the right option there and don’t yet know who, if anyone, will provide it. Parker can’t be doing enough at training for Rennie’s liking.
Like others, I find it strange that Taylor is starting all three tests. At the very least, he could have been on the bench for one game to give another hooker more game time.
Tuipulotu straight into the starting lineup is interesting too, especially because he seemed like he’d fill the bench role so well. He might end up the midweek captain so this selection may reflect that.
And Beauden Barrett may have played his last test, which I have no issue with.
Razor should be so angry at himself.
All us armchair experts were calling that for a couple of years now.
Rennie has come in and done what needed to be done.
Roberto Martinez just died at the altar of Cristiano Ronaldo like Foster and Razor did with Beaudy.
The head coach is supposed to be the adult in the room. A little bit cold and lacking sentiment.
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Little bit of oil.
We're going to try and score more points than Ireland, while attempting to keep them to less points than us. Hence the selections.
Coach said if we score more points than them we got a good chance of winning.
I think we should have built on our momentum and ensured a clean sweep.
Ireland are no easy beats. We should have been solidifying our status as being “back” and to be feared.
Darry had to play.
Samisoni should be there.
Plenty of time to rest lads throughout the year.
How often were Whitelock and Retallick rested?
Patty T getting the Irish first game back is a tough shift in my opinion.
This Ireland team are going to score 25 points minimum this weekend.
I trust Dave all that being said.
@BerniesCorner said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Thank goodness for this game. For 80 minutes in a game football is actually very boring
yeah
I dont watch a lot of soccer football these days
just the collision football (AB/SR/NRL/NFL)
I watched all the SWC, took a little while to get used to it
those sliding leg tackles tho
nasty
not surprised that someone got their leg snapped
surprised there are not more
The reason why the Taylor pick at hooker is ever so slightly aggravating is because his absence in the Bok test at Wellington last year was a big reason for the capitulation - the lineout went to complete shit for ten minutes, from approx the 60th to 70th minute ABs won only one lineout out of 5 on own throw. The lineout was markedly worse than it had been in Eden Park the week prior.
Taylor is a trusty and reliable hooker but they need to give the other guys reps so that in the event he gets injured everything doesn't fall apart.
@Jet said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I think we should have built on our momentum and ensured a clean sweep.
Ireland are no easy beats. We should have been solidifying our status as being “back” and to be feared.Darry had to play.
Samisoni should be there.
Plenty of time to rest lads throughout the year.How often were Whitelock and Retallick rested?
Patty T getting the Irish first game back is a tough shift in my opinion.
This Ireland team are going to score 25 points minimum this weekend.
I trust Dave all that being said.
Early on in their careers, they weren’t selected for every test. With Whitelock there were others that got opportunities- Boric, Thorn, Donnelly, Ali, Hoeata,
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Nah, Ireland are poke
Agreed. Totally shit team. Have been since 2022 - now much worse. Never believed all the hype about then being No.1 in the IRB Rankings going into RWC2023. Heck, even Foster & Razor-coached AB teams managed to beat them - and that was without Roigard, Love and Moorby.
50+ points easily...
They’re a nation in decline with a 10 who’d fit in just fine with the Wallabies. They’re not scaring anyone and need to be turned over.
That said, the ABs haven’t proven to be good enough to put a team like this away comfortably in many years.
@JK said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
All Blacks: 1. Ethan de Groot, 2. Codie Taylor, 3. Tyrel Lomax, 4. Josh Lord, 5. Patrick Tuipulotu, 6. Tupou Vaa'i, 7. Luke Jacobson, 8. Ardie Savea (c), 9. Cam Roigard, 10. Ruben Love, 11. Josh Moorby, 12. Jordie Barrett, 13. Quinn Tupaea, 14. Will Jordan, 15. Damian McKenzie.
Bench: 16. Asafo Aumua, 17. Xavier Numia, 18. Fletcher Newell, 19. Anton Segner, 20. Peter Lakai, 21. Cortez Ratima, 22. Anton Lienert-Brown, 23. Caleb Clarke.
Unavailable: Fehi Fineanganofo (shoulder), Leroy Carter (shoulder)
I'm sure it's done to death but ...
...talking poInts for me.
Is not hugely controversial. All players picked are capable.
Biggest surprise for me is Darry missing out, given three locks in the starting XV. He'd been excellent till now and he was not not named in the injured. Lord and Paddy T are well uo to the job, but IMO Darry would be incrementally better. Not losing sleep though.
Next biggest personally is I would have gone Newell to start, with Tosi on bench. Only coz lack of footy for Lomax. Lomax is my starter all things bring equal, just felt he's missing some rugby. Fletch on the bench I'm surprised at. Having said that there us plenty of imoact from AA, XN and loosies (see below).
Kinda similar at hooker. I'd have started Sami T, AA on the bench. Not that I'm complaining.
Interesting TV at 6. Not unhappy. Them Paddies have some size that need combating. And I like the height.
Hopefully LJ plays like he did against the Frogs.
Interesting bench and the whole lock loose forward mix. I assume the intent to to match them up front early, then run them off their feet.
Moorby played well and deserves the start.
Bench covers appropriately.
Re the players who did not get selected for any of the Squads? Meh. So what?
Am sure for some the sky is falling. But personally am happy enough with XV and XXIII.
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Rattle JGP, get him off his game and they're a bit of a nothing side now.
Same could be said for Roigard
@Victor-Meldrew said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Nah, Ireland are poke
Agreed. Totally shit team. Have been since 2022 - now much worse. Never believed all the hype about then being No.1 in the IRB Rankings going into RWC2023. Heck, even Foster & Razor-coached AB teams managed to beat them - and that was without Roigard, Love and Moorby.
50+ points easily...
They suffer from not having enough Kiwis in the side.
The Vaa’i selection to me is mostly a response to the likely Irish game plan, which will be similar to their Dublin strategy against Scotland in the Six Nations: disrupt the breakdown, slow down opposition attack and frustrate opposition halfbacks.
The Scottish and AB attacks are currently very similar: gain momentum through quick ball, keep the ball alive and find the attacking space before opposition defence can realign.
The Irish, however, led by Beirne, completely shut down this quick ball against the Scots, limiting them to just 34% LQB (the ABs had 85% against the French, remember). They consistently put multiple defenders into the breakdown (winning 6 turnovers to zero from the Scots), denying the Scots quick ball and any attacking momentum.
Vaa’i is there to help with securing the breakdown, counter Beirne and to help the ABs go through the middle. Tuipulotu is the battering ram. Whereas the halfbacks were crucial against the French, this match will be decided by the back 5 and who can dominate the breakdown.
Whether it will work remains to be seen but it’s a very logical selection, once again. In terms of strategy and selection, Rennie is doing well right now.
@MiketheSnow said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Rattle JGP, get him off his game and they're a bit of a nothing side now.
Same could be said for Roigard
Nah.
@pakman said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Lineout formation will be interesting. Patty and Josh both typically jump at 4.
Funnily enough I've had some more oil that they won't both be jumping at 4 at the same time.
Which makes it slightly less interesting.
@pakman said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones By George that's insightful.
Do you really want to hurt me
