All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

As union fans, it's not in our best interest for league and the Wahs to do well. They're already a threat to rugby, and this new TV deal means their clubs will raid our junior ranks even more than they do now. I might be in the minority, but I hope the Wahs start losing.

They don't raid our junior ranks as much as the media tells you, or at least the players don't choose to go as much as the media tells you. The media hangs on to stories of the Warriors junior teams stealing from rugby, and they're mostly just league kids at rugby schools because our schools are all league schools. Or they hype a guy who can't get a start for Ta$man as the best young rugby player in NZ gone to league.

I don't like soccer, lots of kids play soccer in NZ, but I still want our soccer teams to do well.

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

As union fans, it's not in our best interest for league and the Wahs to do well. They're already a threat to rugby, and this new TV deal means their clubs will raid our junior ranks even more than they do now. I might be in the minority, but I hope the Wahs start losing.

what?? i hope the Wahs go on a Penrith-like run and win 5 comps in a row.

It'll make fuck all difference to NZ rugby and lots of kiwis will be deliriously happy.

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

As union fans, it's not in our best interest for league and the Wahs to do well. They're already a threat to rugby, and this new TV deal means their clubs will raid our junior ranks even more than they do now. I might be in the minority, but I hope the Wahs start losing.

what?? i hope the Wahs go on a Penrith-like run and win 5 comps in a row.

It'll make fuck all difference to NZ rugby and lots of kiwis will be deliriously happy.

As insufferable as the media will be if this happens I too want this - I also want it combined with the same for the Magpies in the NPC and the ABs in the next two RWC's.

My dickey hard couldn't take that much excitement so not sure I should be too hopeful.

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

As union fans, it's not in our best interest for league and the Wahs to do well. They're already a threat to rugby, and this new TV deal means their clubs will raid our junior ranks even more than they do now. I might be in the minority, but I hope the Wahs start losing.

what?? i hope the Wahs go on a Penrith-like run and win 5 comps in a row.

It'll make fuck all difference to NZ rugby and lots of kiwis will be deliriously happy.

As insufferable as the media will be if this happens I too want this - I also want it combined with the same for the Magpies in the NPC and the ABs in the next two RWC's.

My dickey hard couldn't take that much excitement so not sure I should be too hopeful.

This is a first-rate typo.

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

As union fans, it's not in our best interest for league and the Wahs to do well. They're already a threat to rugby, and this new TV deal means their clubs will raid our junior ranks even more than they do now. I might be in the minority, but I hope the Wahs start losing.

I hope the Wahs do well because I’ve been a long suffering fan since they started.

As a rugby fan, the way I see it is that some public pressure (not the OTT talking head hot takes) when the Wahs are doing well can be a good thing to keep rugby administrators and organisations on their toes, to keep them evolving in how the game is governed etc. If league or basketball or soccer success can influence that, then that’s a good thing for rugby.

I think it is the likes of B-ball that is a bigger threat, well along with kids playing no sport at all.

I mentioned elsewhere, there are not alot of.tall players running around Northland club rugby, but i do know alot of kids play B-ball and there seems.good development programmes, with tournaments and kids going on trips overseas (parents doing alot of fundraising)

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

I think it is the likes of B-ball that is a bigger threat, well along with kids playing no sport at all.

I mentioned elsewhere, there are not alot of.tall players running around Northland club rugby, but i do know alot of kids play B-ball and there seems.good development programmes, with tournaments and kids going on trips overseas (parents doing alot of fundraising)

Basketball is massively advantaged by the fact it requires fewer numbers per team and can be played as an after school activity rather than on the weekend, and at a casual level, really doesn't require any extra training etc. I'm sure parents must love it.

@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

I think it is the likes of B-ball that is a bigger threat, well along with kids playing no sport at all.

I mentioned elsewhere, there are not alot of.tall players running around Northland club rugby, but i do know alot of kids play B-ball and there seems.good development programmes, with tournaments and kids going on trips overseas (parents doing alot of fundraising)

Basketball is massively advantaged by the fact it requires fewer numbers per team and can be played as an after school activity rather than on the weekend, and at a casual level, really doesn't require any extra training etc. I'm sure parents must love it.

You can also go down to one of the many local courts on your own and shoot hoops. There's no comparable rugby activity.

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

As union fans, it's not in our best interest for league and the Wahs to do well. They're already a threat to rugby, and this new TV deal means their clubs will raid our junior ranks even more than they do now. I might be in the minority, but I hope the Wahs start losing.

what?? i hope the Wahs go on a Penrith-like run and win 5 comps in a row.

It'll make fuck all difference to NZ rugby and lots of kiwis will be deliriously happy.

As insufferable as the media will be if this happens I too want this - I also want it combined with the same for the Magpies in the NPC and the ABs in the next two RWC's.

My dickey hard couldn't take that much excitement so not sure I should be too hopeful.

This is a first-rate typo.

I didn't even notice it. Bloody auto-correct should have fixed that.

@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

I think it is the likes of B-ball that is a bigger threat, well along with kids playing no sport at all.

I mentioned elsewhere, there are not alot of.tall players running around Northland club rugby, but i do know alot of kids play B-ball and there seems.good development programmes, with tournaments and kids going on trips overseas (parents doing alot of fundraising)

Basketball is massively advantaged by the fact it requires fewer numbers per team and can be played as an after school activity rather than on the weekend, and at a casual level, really doesn't require any extra training etc. I'm sure parents must love it.

Didn't we already discuss this in another thread and come to a conclusion that basketball numbers are a bit of a myth relying on short term tournaments rather than season long commitment numbers. Much like a lot of the league numbers are based on a week long tournament at the end of the season.

@mr-fish Isn't touch, forceback and bull rush etc comparable rugby activity? Even lunch time league at school?

@taniwharugby height is an issue in Auckland as well there’s not a lot around
However it’s a hell of lot easier to find 13 plus 4 reserves that run,pass and tackle in league as opposed to 15 plus 7 reserves with 4 specialists props,2 x hookers ,2 halfbacks and 3 and half locks and decent back up 10 and a utility that covers 12 out to 15
Props also massive gap not a lot of quality around

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

Isn't touch, forceback and bull rush etc comparable rugby activity? Even lunch time league at school?

doesnt mean kids play rugby on the weekend or for thier school.

Soccer numbers have exceeded rugby since forever, yet people will always use that stat to say rugby is dying, I think there are still decent numbers at youth levels, it is keeping them involved once they mature in thier late teens (>16 and beyond)

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

Isn't touch, forceback and bull rush etc comparable rugby activity? Even lunch time league at school?

doesnt mean kids play rugby on the weekend or for thier school.

Soccer numbers have exceeded rugby since forever, yet people will always use that stat to say rugby is dying, I think there are still decent numbers at youth levels, it is keeping them involved once they mature in thier late teens (>16 and beyond)

Agreed, but I was just pointing out that there are avenues for "rugby" socially, just as not all kids playing basketball play for their school. My short arse played a lot of two on two and I've never played a competitive game of basketball in my life.

@Nepia It's the closest thing but you still need at least a handful of players whereas you can shoot hoops on your own or play 2 v 2 etc. 2 v 2 touch isn't particularly enjoyable.

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@Nepia It's the closest thing but you still need at least a handful of players whereas you can shoot hoops on your own or play 2 v 2 etc. 2 v 2 touch isn't particularly enjoyable.

2x2 forceback is fun though.

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@Nepia It's the closest thing but you still need at least a handful of players whereas you can shoot hoops on your own or play 2 v 2 etc. 2 v 2 touch isn't particularly enjoyable.

2x2 forceback is fun though.

True - but I'd say 2x2 basketball is a lot closer to a real game of basketball than 2x2 forceback is to rugby.

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

I think it is the likes of B-ball that is a bigger threat, well along with kids playing no sport at all.

I mentioned elsewhere, there are not alot of.tall players running around Northland club rugby, but i do know alot of kids play B-ball and there seems.good development programmes, with tournaments and kids going on trips overseas (parents doing alot of fundraising)

Basketball is massively advantaged by the fact it requires fewer numbers per team and can be played as an after school activity rather than on the weekend, and at a casual level, really doesn't require any extra training etc. I'm sure parents must love it.

You can also go down to one of the many local courts on your own and shoot hoops. There's no comparable rugby activity.

And you don't commonly get smashed about the head

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

I think it is the likes of B-ball that is a bigger threat, well along with kids playing no sport at all.

I mentioned elsewhere, there are not alot of.tall players running around Northland club rugby, but i do know alot of kids play B-ball and there seems.good development programmes, with tournaments and kids going on trips overseas (parents doing alot of fundraising)

I think it is maybe a "threat" in terms of participation, much less so as a spectator sport.

Pre-covid the NZ Breakers were quite popular in Auckland, now you'd hardly even know they exist. I'd suggest that in Auckland there is a fair degree of crossover between NRL fans and basketball fans, and the rise of the former might have dampened interest in the latter (purely anecdotal and I understand that this is contradicted by evidence from Australia, where the NBL has grown a lot over the last few years).

Likewise the NZ NBL attracts only a few hundred spectators to most games.

Participation definitely isn't filtering through to spectator interest, at least not domestically.

@mr-fish said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@Nepia It's the closest thing but you still need at least a handful of players whereas you can shoot hoops on your own or play 2 v 2 etc. 2 v 2 touch isn't particularly enjoyable.

Actually mate, you can play a game of rugby on your own too mate. I lived on a farm as a kid, and played many games by myself . I used to almost always win, and didn't always get all attempted conversions. Actually a kid who lived down the road from us and I used to play 1 on 1 rugby quite a bit too.

@steven-harris said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@cgrant are you sure Rugby is 3rd ?
I would suspect cricket world cups ,motor racing ,MMA possibly the big golf tournaments would trump rugby

Re last nights game i suspect the sky figures will tell you Last nights rugby I reckon out did the Nz Warriors game by 5-1 ratio

I heard them say the other day on Tour of France, that on one hill there was an estimated 500,000 people. Thats a lot of people.

But I admit I don't care how many watch any sports, it's not rugby so who cares!

@dan54 just reaching out to a friend at Sky in and around the Skys figures from lasts weeks All Blacks v Ireland game v the NRL game between the Warriors v St George’s game

I have heard a some 3rd hand information that it wasn’t even close with the ABs game attracting a 5-1 audience but would like to cross check this info first unless we have a poster that has access to this information from what I was told even local derby’s during super rugby were out pointing the Warriors games

I was chatting to a friend who follows the Warriors and he said he watches them religiously but only catches the odd game that they aren’t involved with or just catches a highlights package of other games

I personally don’t watch much league it’s simply not my game and doesn’t appeal to me

I do enjoy the EPL and the top golf tournaments

@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

Actually mate, you can play a game of rugby on your own too mate. I lived on a farm as a kid, and played many games by myself . I used to almost always win, and didn't always get all attempted conversions. Actually a kid who lived down the road from us and I used to play 1 on 1 rugby quite a bit too.

I used to play my brother on the front lawn. I also used to kick the ball around. Pretending I was winger doing a chip and chase, when I was only ever a front rower.

@mikedogz said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

Actually mate, you can play a game of rugby on your own too mate. I lived on a farm as a kid, and played many games by myself . I used to almost always win, and didn't always get all attempted conversions. Actually a kid who lived down the road from us and I used to play 1 on 1 rugby quite a bit too.

I used to play my brother on the front lawn. I also used to kick the ball around. Pretending I was winger doing a chip and chase, when I was only ever a front rower.

I wonder if any kids pretend they are front rowers?

@steven-harris said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@dan54 just reaching out to a friend at Sky in and around the Skys figures from lasts weeks All Blacks v Ireland game v the NRL game between the Warriors v St George’s game

I have heard a some 3rd hand information that it wasn’t even close with the ABs game attracting a 5-1 audience but would like to cross check this info first unless we have a poster that has access to this information from what I was told even local derby’s during super rugby were out pointing the Warriors games

I was chatting to a friend who follows the Warriors and he said he watches them religiously but only catches the odd game that they aren’t involved with or just catches a highlights package of other games

I personally don’t watch much league it’s simply not my game and doesn’t appeal to me

I do enjoy the EPL and the top golf tournaments

I think that's most Wahs fans. They only really watch the Wahs and Origin.

Despite that, Sky have just paid $50 million a year for the NRL.

@woodysrfc said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

Despite that, Sky have just paid $50 million a year for the NRL.

I've seen one article say that but others say $30m.

Either way I think it's overs. And if I was NZR at the next negotiations I'd be using it to play hard ball.

@nepia said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@woodysrfc said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

Despite that, Sky have just paid $50 million a year for the NRL.

I've seen one article say that but others say $30m.

Either way I think it's overs. And if I was NZR at the next negotiations I'd be using it to play hard ball.

Think NZR are locked in till 2030, seems they negotiated at a time when TVNZ were broke and not keen on securing sporting rights.

@mikedogz

(used to play my brother on the front lawn. I also used to kick the ball around. Pretending I was winger doing a chip and chase, when I was only ever a front rower.)

Mate I used to pretend to be a first five, as the Naki had a 10 Ross Brown in those days who we thaought was a bit good.

I actually moved schools and bullshitted a teacher I was a 10, funnily enough was replav

ced at halftime

@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@mikedogz said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wahs - what are you watching?:

Actually mate, you can play a game of rugby on your own too mate. I lived on a farm as a kid, and played many games by myself . I used to almost always win, and didn't always get all attempted conversions. Actually a kid who lived down the road from us and I used to play 1 on 1 rugby quite a bit too.

I used to play my brother on the front lawn. I also used to kick the ball around. Pretending I was winger doing a chip and chase, when I was only ever a front rower.

I wonder if any kids pretend they are front rowers?

Only the outside backs.