I'm proud of the Jaguares season but I'm not one to settle for "well done pat yourself on the back"
That kind of mentality disgusts me
Los Pumas will use the Jaguares success as a springboard for the RWC campaign
TRC friendlies will serve as trials for those aspiring to make RWC squad
Future is bright in ARG rugby
@Machpants said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real Maybe. My point is, NZ teams actually play rugby and do well, even when t looks like they are fooked. I tell you what, next season, a depleted NZ SR team will do well. Cos we have depth and that's what we do. Saying crap like 'canes without barretts are rubbish' is dumb shiite, we'll still do well - canes will still be up there next year, baretts or no. Team, not individuals.
Disagree
Hurricanes rely on their star players to deliver: Barrett brothers Laumape Savea Coles & TJP
Without a few of them they'll be a much diminished team
Good enough to make playoffs but not a contender to win it all IMO
Crusaders have strength in numbers & strength in depth
That's the greatness of the Crusaders summarised in one sentecne
@Steven-Harris said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Why replace Hall..?hes been outstanding..!
Substitution by rote
@akan004 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Strange decision to go for three .
Nup. Test match intensity. Gift 3. Good call.
The kick from 45m on the angle I thought was ambitious and they should have plugged the corner. But test match intensity ...
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
second one of those off-loads of Materas that looks to have gone forward out of hand
The one for the bombed try by Moroni looked ... err .. . borderline
@No-Quarter said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Should have been a penalty for holding on. Marshall is talking shit.
No!? Really?
@Yeetyaah said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
What a boring game and comp. Saders win again. Maybe time to spread the talent.
Bolded text: I really enjoyed it.
Not bolded bit: there's plenty of talent elsewhere. Just got to develop themselves better.
@Damo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
They're up by 16 points. Why are they just running the clock down? Seems very negative to me.
It's winning
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Crusaders were functional and did enough to win & were clinical when they got a chance
Somewhat self contradictory post.
Perhaps understandable in the circumstances
@Donsteppa said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
“The better team” never loses a game 19 - 3.
My immediate reaction was very similar.
My thoughts were "19-3 says they weren't".
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Donsteppa said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
“The better team” never loses a game 19 - 3.
they do when they leave at least 15 points on the table and gift a try through a winger having a brain fart
That makes them a poor team.
@booboo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Crusaders were functional and did enough to win & were clinical when they got a chance
Somewhat self contradictory post.
Perhaps understandable in the circumstances
Two things can be right at the same time Doesn't have to a binary choice
Crusaders deserved to win but Jaguares were the better team
Rarely happens but then I'm not a box score scout who just looks at the final whistle score
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@booboo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Crusaders were functional and did enough to win & were clinical when they got a chance
Somewhat self contradictory post.
Perhaps understandable in the circumstances
Two things can be right at the same time Doesn't have to a binary choice
Crusaders deserved to win but Jaguares were the better team
Rarely happens but then I'm not a box score scout who just looks at the final whistle score
Give it a rest, seriously.
Crusaders name on the trophy, 19-3, they were the better team, no question. Your little moral we were the better team crap counts for zilch. Nothing. Nada.
And it’s bollocks. 19-3 is one sided.
You won’t give a shit but I would have supported the Jaguares today if not for you. I doubt I’m alone.
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@MajorRage
I'm heartbroken that a random dude would have supported the Jaguares if not for the horrible crime of me Supporting the Jaguares vociferously
Supporting?
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@booboo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Crusaders were functional and did enough to win & were clinical when they got a chance
Somewhat self contradictory post.
Perhaps understandable in the circumstances
Two things can be right at the same time Doesn't have to a binary choice
True. But not when one of them is wrong.
Hairies may had some better stats with ball in hand, but how good were Saders on D?
Some serious Kyle Gass-Jack Black action going on there.
Out-scrummed, out box-kicked, out-defended, out-tactic-ed, out scored their opposition.
Better team won comfortably.
Not to mention the whole sliding doors if they get one of their scores they left out there...
Just further on one (well two) of my points above, how impressive was the leadership to change up the tactics when Plan A wasn't working?
Not easy to abandon the game plan and switch mentality.
@MajorRage said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
I would have supported the Jaguares today if not for you. I doubt I’m alone.
I would’ve supported the Jags if they were playing an Aussie team or South African side or the Chiefs
@MajorRage go a bit easy on @Jaguares4real buddy. Moral victories are what you take when you can’t have real ones 
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@booboo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Crusaders were functional and did enough to win & were clinical when they got a chance
Somewhat self contradictory post.
Perhaps understandable in the circumstances
Two things can be right at the same time Doesn't have to a binary choice
Crusaders deserved to win but Jaguares were the better team
Rarely happens but then I'm not a box score scout who just looks at the final whistle score
This is great stuff. Means the Canes were the better team last weekend. Will there be a parade down Lambton Quay ? Hope so.
@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@booboo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Crusaders were functional and did enough to win & were clinical when they got a chance
Somewhat self contradictory post.
Perhaps understandable in the circumstances
Two things can be right at the same time Doesn't have to a binary choice
Crusaders deserved to win but Jaguares were the better team
Rarely happens but then I'm not a box score scout who just looks at the final whistle score
This is great stuff. Means the Canes were the better team last weekend. Will there be a parade down Lambton Quay ? Hope so.
But but but the Jags were simultaneously the best and second best team in the comp! The artificially modified competition ladder says so. Competition points and actual scoreboard points mean nothing!
@pukunui said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@booboo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Crusaders were functional and did enough to win & were clinical when they got a chance
Somewhat self contradictory post.
Perhaps understandable in the circumstances
Two things can be right at the same time Doesn't have to a binary choice
Crusaders deserved to win but Jaguares were the better team
Rarely happens but then I'm not a box score scout who just looks at the final whistle score
This is great stuff. Means the Canes were the better team last weekend. Will there be a parade down Lambton Quay ? Hope so.
But but but the Jags were simultaneously the best and second best team in the comp! The artificially modified competition ladder says so. Competition points and actual scoreboard points mean nothing!
I know.....and don’t get me started on all the meaningless friendlies that International rugby teams play. What a waste of time
@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
arted on all the meaningless friendlies that International rugby teams play. What a waste of tim
I'm trying to educate a mostly Kiwi crowd here about the ARG mentality
There been at times an indifference to most Int'l games especially Summer test matches & EOYT to Europe
ARG is unique in having a diabolical travelling schedule and a shallow playing
Add Bad coaching and Management at UAR level & you have a cocktail for disaster
This has only been reversed in last 18 months with Ledesma & Quesada
RWC and Improvements in TRC are the criteria in which ARG measure itself
Test matches they may be called but that's a fancy word for friendlies
This country beating that country in 2017 means fuck all in 2019
Rugby runs on 4 year cycles I couldn't give a fuck about most Pumas games from 2016-19
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
arted on all the meaningless friendlies that International rugby teams play. What a waste of tim
I'm trying to educate a mostly Kiwi crowd here about the ARG mentality
There been at times an indifference to most Int'l games especially Summer test matches & EOYT to Europe
ARG is unique in having a diabolical travelling schedule and a shallow playing
Add Bad coaching and Management at UAR level & you have a cocktail for disaster
This has only been reversed in last 18 months with Ledesma & Quesada
RWC and Improvements in TRC are the criteria in which ARG measure itself
Test matches they may be called but that's a fancy word for friendlies
This country beating that country in 2017 means fuck all in 2019Rugby runs on 4 year cycles I couldn't give a fuck about most Pumas games from 2016-19
If that is reflective of the Argentine attitude then that may be why they're not improving.
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Test matches they may be called but that's a fancy word for friendlies
Conversely friendlies is a stupid word for test matches.
There is nothing friendly about them as most players would attest.
It reflective to a degree but it should be based in context
You've got to cut your cloth accordingly
The big thing in ARG is increase their playing pool
There was a Jaguares XV playing CC rugby in SA and played & won their 1st game yesterday
Thar side was comprised of fringe Jaguares and a bunch of U20 players
Another thing going ARG way is the continuing decimation of SA NZ & AUS SR teams as their players to Europe & Japan
This will make ARG even stronger as their competitors in SANZAAR get hollowed out
NZ is insulted by its player pool but their SR sides will be weaker nonetheless with 1 or 2 exceptions
And once again, finals experience is a major difference.
Committed defence, a gun kicking game and actually all things considered a pretty comfortable win with it all wrapped up with 10 minutes to go.
No where near as competitive or captivating as the canes semi final.
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Hooroo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
I hope the Jags play better in two weeks or the Weakened ABs will destroy them.
Reminder that Jaguares a club side playing Super Rugby
Don;t be a moron and assume they'll be the same under Los Pumas with a near dozen new players Different coaching staff and playing style
They won't
But I understand it;s easy to fall for the Phil Kearns line Easy to parrot talking points blindly
You’re only missing the national anthem before kick off during super rugby to Tie it all together nicely.
@ACT-Crusader said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@MajorRage said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
I would have supported the Jaguares today if not for you. I doubt I’m alone.
I would’ve supported the Jags if they were playing an Aussie team or South African side or the Chiefs
In that case... can we have our coach back then? I’d like to see a breakdance at Tauranga Domain...
@Siam said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
And once again, finals experience is a major difference.
Committed defence, a gun kicking game and actually all things considered a pretty comfortable win with it all wrapped up with 10 minutes to go.
No where near as competitive or captivating as the canes semi final.
Once again home advantage is also a major difference. I think every play-off game this year was won by the home team?
Past few years there has been a slight bucking of the trend that it's beyond difficult to win a play-off game outside your country, with the slanted competition structure meaning some significantly stronger NZ teams have had to travel to Oz/SA and have won.
Jags would have been tough to beat in BA, but they largely lost this final in the first month or so of the competition.
@Chris-B The Chiefs almost rolled the Jaguares in the quarter final. And NZ teams in general have not struggled in Argentina.
So I don't think shifting venues would have made much difference.
Home teams tend to win the play off games because they are the better teams.
@Chester-Draws said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Home teams tend to win the play off games because they are the better teams.
Yep - that's certainly part of the equation - or, at least, it's supposed to be.
@Siam said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
And once again, finals experience is a major difference.
Committed defence, a gun kicking game and actually all things considered a pretty comfortable win with it all wrapped up with 10 minutes to go.
No where near as competitive or captivating as the canes semi final.
That's because that was the best team vs the second best, not the best team vs a team there because of broadcasting deals in SA (tho it didn't work out too well for SA this year!)
Piling in quite late to this.
You guys are are a bit sensitive to @Jaguares4real . He may be over=egging slightly, but that Jags side can go home feeling like they gave that a real crack. Some magic back play, the lines in midfield were amazing; they found space against a really good Crusaders defence. Looked creative and hard working, they have a bright future.
It was a cracking game of rugby, not expansive, but really tasty to watch. As always, fine margins; the scoreline most certainly did not reflect the intensity or evenness of the game. All the one eyed cantabs crowing about 'look at the scoreboard' are not showing an ounce of respect to a good opponent. By that logic, 2007 France and 2017 Lions were the better side, and deserved everything they got.
While another title is impressive, the Canterbury machine may be creaking at the edges a bit. Losing the Mitre 10 final last year to a bunch of colts, losing away to the Tahs, drawing at home against that Saffer side, and then looking vulnerable through the playoffs ... best tight five in the comp by a mile, but outside that it's been looking a bit more average. Well done and all that, but there's some future bits that are worth watching
Will be interesting to see how they cope with losing Franks, Whitelock, Todd up front next season. That's a hell of a lot of talent to replace in short order... will keep Razor busy I'm sure.
Point of order!
I'm not a one eyed Cantab.
As for 2017 Lions. They weren't the better team it was a draw.
As for 2007 France, leaving aside the 16* points gifted to them by the officials, by definition yes they were the better team. By 20-18. Did what they had to do to walk off in front.
And you're right. It was a great game of footy. Most enjoyable.
Hairy Worries were good. Saders were better.
*think it was 16 by my reckoning, 3 penalties either awarded or not awarded, plus that try with two forward passes. My anger must have diminished post 11 & 15 as it's not so clear and glaring in my mind anymore.
