@nzzp said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

Piling in quite late to this.

You guys are are a bit sensitive to @Jaguares4real . He may be over=egging slightly, but that Jags side can go home feeling like they gave that a real crack. Some magic back play, the lines in midfield were amazing; they found space against a really good Crusaders defence. Looked creative and hard working, they have a bright future.

It was a cracking game of rugby, not expansive, but really tasty to watch. As always, fine margins; the scoreline most certainly did not reflect the intensity or evenness of the game.

Will be interesting to see how they cope with losing Franks, Whitelock, Todd up front next season. That's a hell of a lot of talent to replace in short order...

You're wasting your time with the more myopic guys on the thread The Cantab crew & their cheerleaders struggle with nuance at times and like to look at the final score

Crusaders pack will be much weaker next year but their backline has a good age profile

They will be formidable next year but this likely the peak of the Crusaders for a while

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

look at the final score

generally a good indicator to find the winner! :thumbs_up:

The Jaguares played well, and were deserving of thier spot and can be proud of the gains they have made the past few years, but they were found wanting, as I said earlier, possibly lacking a bit of big game experience, no shame in that, they will be the better for it.

@Jaguares4real maybe not as weak as some think they have recruited very well for 2020
Just not media released as yet

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

e pipe down, a non Argentinia

Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game

I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis

Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase

I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.

I think this game again showed the blue print for shutting down the ABs that Gatland and his British Lions used pretty successfully. They employed a very good rush defence and as well as doing everything in their power to disrupt turn over ball.

The Crusaders only really had one try scoring opportunity and they took it. The same can't be said of the Argies and they will be disappointed. A better team would have capitalised on their opportunities last night and that is what worries me come the World Cup. NZ teams still do not handle the rush defence coupled with having turn over ball disrupted/slowed down. It is painfully obvious.

@Crazy-Horse said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

I think this game again showed the blue print for shutting down the ABs that Gatland and his British Lions used pretty successfully. They employed a very good rush defence and as well as doing everything in their power to disrupt turn over ball.

The Crusaders only really had one try scoring opportunity and they took it. The same can't be said of the Argies and they will be disappointed. A better team would have capitalised on their opportunities last night and that is what worries me come the World Cup. NZ teams still do not handle the rush defence coupled with having turn over ball disrupted/slowed down. It is painfully obvious.

I thought the same thing while watching the game , not so much concerned with the crusaders ,

But it had a similar feel to it , with our usual attacking game style being nullified somewhat ,

Hopefully Hansen has come up with something

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

e pipe down, a non Argentinia

Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game

I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis

Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase

I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.

If that becomes a prerequisite then this place will shut down

@mariner4life said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

e pipe down, a non Argentinia

Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game

I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis

Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase

I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.

If that becomes a prerequisite then this place will shut down

Actually apart from @Virgil getting your/you’re confused the standard is exemplary. Great stuff everyone.

@mariner4life said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

e pipe down, a non Argentinia

Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game

I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis

Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase

I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.

If that becomes a prerequisite then this place will shut down

Indeed

The last man standing would be @Bones who is our resident English professor I presume

I wonder if he has fallen foul of the things he has critiqued me in his previous posts? :astonished_face: :astonished_face:

@kiwiinmelb said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

ght the same thing while watching the game , not so much concerned with

@Crazy-Horse onto something

The Crusaders being gifted their only try by Moroni joining a maul that was going nowhere for Jaguares was utter stupidity Nothing was to be gained from his presence there

if he stays on his wing, no try can be scored

Outside of a 3-4 min spell in 50 min Crusaders never looked like scoring

Their attack was blunted as they struggled to get around Jaguares defence

Crusaders were able to use their scrum to win penalties and relive pressure Without that the game may have had a different outcome
Also the Lineout was shaky losing 2 of their 6 throws

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@mariner4life said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

e pipe down, a non Argentinia

Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game

I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis

Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase

I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.

If that becomes a prerequisite then this place will shut down

Indeed

The last man standing would be @Bones who is our resident English professor I presume

I wonder if he has fallen foul of the things he has critiqued me in his previous posts? :astonished_face: :astonished_face:

He's from Eastbourne and now lives somewhere posh in England. He's to the Manor born.

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@nzzp said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

Piling in quite late to this.

You guys are are a bit sensitive to @Jaguares4real . He may be over=egging slightly, but that Jags side can go home feeling like they gave that a real crack. Some magic back play, the lines in midfield were amazing; they found space against a really good Crusaders defence. Looked creative and hard working, they have a bright future.

It was a cracking game of rugby, not expansive, but really tasty to watch. As always, fine margins; the scoreline most certainly did not reflect the intensity or evenness of the game.

Will be interesting to see how they cope with losing Franks, Whitelock, Todd up front next season. That's a hell of a lot of talent to replace in short order...

You're wasting your time with the more myopic guys on the thread The Cantab crew & their cheerleaders struggle with nuance at times and like to look at the final score

Crusaders pack will be much weaker next year but their backline has a good age profile

They will be formidable next year but this likely the peak of the Crusaders for a while

Next year is our year.

You might be right Hairyarses4real. But this year the Evil Empire were demonstrably the better side.

Hang around though. Your stopped clock trolling might come right and you can nyah nyah nyah us.

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

e pipe down, a non Argentinia

Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game

I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis

Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase

I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.

Why? Nobody else has...

Although admittedly most of us can use the quote function effectively...

@Crazy-Horse said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

I think this game again showed the blue print for shutting down the ABs that Gatland and his British Lions used pretty successfully. They employed a very good rush defence and as well as doing everything in their power to disrupt turn over ball.

The Crusaders only really had one try scoring opportunity and they took it. The same can't be said of the Argies and they will be disappointed. A better team would have capitalised on their opportunities last night and that is what worries me come the World Cup. NZ teams still do not handle the rush defence coupled with having turn over ball disrupted/slowed down. It is painfully obvious.

They had another try scoring opportunity when they used the gambit of kicking for touch and then tapped and drove over the line. but the ball got planted on an Argie leg. Could have had a few more if they'd kicked penalties to touch or scrummed - but, the right decision was to collect three points and stretch the lead.

I've not seen any team yet develop a fool-proof counter to the rush defence. It seems to be a combination of accurately combining variations of short/inside passes, chip kicks and wide kicks to the wing - to stretch the defending teams' resources.

@Crazy-Horse said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

I think this game again showed the blue print for shutting down the ABs that Gatland and his British Lions used pretty successfully. They employed a very good rush defence and as well as doing everything in their power to disrupt turn over ball.

The Crusaders only really had one try scoring opportunity and they took it. The same can't be said of the Argies and they will be disappointed. A better team would have capitalised on their opportunities last night and that is what worries me come the World Cup. NZ teams still do not handle the rush defence coupled with having turn over ball disrupted/slowed down. It is painfully obvious.

Yeah, but the Saders found ways to score. Rush D? 19-3.

Up here (points at head) for thinking.

Down there (points at feet) for dancing.

@mariner4life said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

e pipe down, a non Argentinia

Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game

I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis

Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase

I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.

If that becomes a prerequisite then this place will shut down

Well we did get rid of Bartman, leyton and Red Beard. @kiwiinmelb will be next if he doesn’t fix the space before comma nonsense

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@kiwiinmelb said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

ght the same thing while watching the game , not so much concerned with

@Crazy-Horse onto something

The Crusaders being gifted their only try by Moroni joining a maul that was going nowhere for Jaguares was utter stupidity Nothing was to be gained from his presence there

if he stays on his wing, no try can be scored

Outside of a 3-4 min spell in 50 min Crusaders never looked like scoring

Their attack was blunted as they struggled to get around Jaguares defence

Crusaders were able to use their scrum to win penalties and relive pressure Without that the game may have had a different outcome
Also the Lineout was shaky losing 2 of their 6 throws

I don’t know why im bothering to engage but since we are rewriting history. Do you think that maybe if the Crusaders had chosen to kick to the corner or taken the scrum instead of kicking for goal and you know, actually scoring points and winning the game, they may have “looked like scoring” ?

The better team doesn’t get beaten 19-3.
To suggest the Jags were the better team because things maybe, potentially, possibly, could have been different if they didn’t blow all their chances, “gift” the crusaders a try, have a 10 who lost the plot or give away multiple kickable penalties is straight up fantasy.

Don’t count your chickens for your future success just yet. The Lions are still waiting for their first GF win.

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@mariner4life said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

e pipe down, a non Argentinia

Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game

I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis

Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase

I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.

If that becomes a prerequisite then this place will shut down

Indeed

The last man standing would be @Bones who is our resident English professor I presume

I wonder if he has fallen foul of the things he has critiqued me in his previous posts? :astonished_face: :astonished_face:

Where did I say anything about English? There's that comprehension failing you again. In line with your posts on rugby though eh, so not surprising.

@mariner4life said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

e pipe down, a non Argentinia

Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game

I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis

Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase

I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.

If that becomes a prerequisite then this place will shut down

Suggesting and embracing?i highly doubt it...

@ACT-Crusader said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@mariner4life said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

e pipe down, a non Argentinia

Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game

I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis

Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase

I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.

If that becomes a prerequisite then this place will shut down

Well we did get rid of Bartman, leyton and Red Beard. @kiwiinmelb will be next if he doesn’t fix the space before comma nonsense

This place hasn't been the same since the day Voltman stopped being funny.

@pukunui said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

ust yet. The Lions are still waiting for their first GF

I will make this clear: Jaguares were better for the first 50 minutes that's 62.5% of the game

This while nice was not enough to win games on their own

Why hell would Whitelock go for a lineout when it was the weakest part of their game and the strongest element of the Jaguares game

He was either going for 3 pt straight in front or call a 2nd scrum He chose well

Jaguares unless every team in SA, AUS & most sides in NZ have a distinct advantage in terms of sustainability of success in medium to long term

They're better able to replenish playing stocks due to players heading off to Europe or play mickey mouse rugby in Japan

Lions did well in a era of Super Rugby when it was weak

@Chris-B said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Crazy-Horse said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

I think this game again showed the blue print for shutting down the ABs that Gatland and his British Lions used pretty successfully. They employed a very good rush defence and as well as doing everything in their power to disrupt turn over ball.

The Crusaders only really had one try scoring opportunity and they took it. The same can't be said of the Argies and they will be disappointed. A better team would have capitalised on their opportunities last night and that is what worries me come the World Cup. NZ teams still do not handle the rush defence coupled with having turn over ball disrupted/slowed down. It is painfully obvious.

They had another try scoring opportunity when they used the gambit of kicking for touch and then tapped and drove over the line. but the ball got planted on an Argie leg. Could have had a few more if they'd kicked penalties to touch or scrummed - but, the right decision was to collect three points and stretch the lead.

I've not seen any team yet develop a fool-proof counter to the rush defence. It seems to be a combination of accurately combining variations of short/inside passes, chip kicks and wide kicks to the wing - to stretch the defending teams' resources.

Yep forgot about the chance with the free kick, but I think my point still stands. That was a freakish chance, certainly not one created in general play.

There were times during the first half where the Crusaders were passing the ball to a static player and they were getting nowhere. Both forwards and backs were guilty of it. They had nowhere to go ball in hand. But I was impressed with the way the Crusaders changed their game plan midway through the first half. There was a break in play and you could see a million waterboys run on to the pitch and join the players in their huddle. It was pretty obvious a message was coming from the stands. After that it seemed the Crusaders were happier to play without the ball than with it.

It concerns me NZ's best team never looked settled with ball in hand. They were either static, or were rushed into handling errors or into passing to a team mate in a worse position.

@Crazy-Horse you're concerned a NZ team didn't even have to break the shackles and play out of their skin to beat a team doing exactly that?

@Bones they couldn't break the shackles of the rush defence. It's the Achilles heal of NZ rugby.

@Crazy-Horse said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Bones they couldn't break the shackles of the rush defence. It's the Achilles heal of NZ rugby.

Now I know you're just on the wind up

@Bones cut me some slack. I have been up all night working, or more accurately avoiding work.

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@pukunui said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

ust yet. The Lions are still waiting for their first GF

I will make this clear: Jaguares were better for the first 50 minutes that's 62.5% of the game

This while nice was not enough to win games on their own

Quite right. Rugby was (and perhaps still is) a game where stamina and fitness still count despite the seemingly endless substitutions allowed now. Spend the early part of the game wearing the opposition down (or allowing the opponents to wear themselves down) and capitalise when they have run out of breath near the end leading to scoring heaps of points to win games. Being a supporter of NZ rugby teams it is quite a common occurrence that has worked very well for over 100 years now.

Arrived back home from hospital, this morning. I missed most of the SR final due to an asthma attack. I'm okay again, but it was a bit scary for a while. Absolutely bad timing, of course (although I think I know what triggered it), but fortunately we recorded the final on mysky and I just watched it, although it's not quite the same when you know the final score.

I don't have much to add to comments already made. It was a typical final in which defence won the game. Todd and Read were outstanding in the forwards, and Bridge, Mo'unga and Havili in the backs. Lots of dew on the ground and a wet ball can explain some of the bad ball handling, but it has to be said that the Jaguares also made some really stupid mistakes. Their 10 was terrible. Overall, the Jaguares played reasonably well and they'll learn from their mistakes. The Crusaders looked - as expected - the more experienced team. Awesome how they changed their game plan when the first one didn't work and good decision-making when they went for the points when they were on offer. Mo'unga's goal-kicking is outstanding now and that's good for the RWC. Not sure whether some of the other rookies are ready though. Still think Havili should have been named in the ABs.

And then reading this thread .. jaysus. How can a welcome new addition to the Fern with a fresh point of view turn so quickly into an arrogant, trolling twat. Although it was quite hilarious to read how those who responded to his nonsense were referred to as the "Cantab crew & their cheerleaders", considering many of them support other franchises in SR games other than the final and are quite fervent anti-cantabs 52 weeks per year.

Anyway, 2019 SR season done and dusted. I'll put the Crusaders 2020 blog post up tonight (had already prepared most of it). Can't wait for the Mitre 10 cup now, oh, and yes, some international games ...

@Stargazer and here I was thinking you were a real fan, and you go off to the hospital during the final...

Good to hear you’re okay mate.

@Stargazer a breath-taking final for one of us at least though eh?
Good to see you back on your feet mate

@Siam said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Stargazer a breath-taking final for one of us at least though eh?
Good to see you back on your feet mate

This Dad joke deserves ALL the upvotes!!!

@Stargazer said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

I think I know what triggered it

@Jaguares4real ? He'll be the death of you.

Pleased that you are better, the thread content monitoring has been shit around here.

@booboo has been on top of grammar though, @bones chipping in too.

We've managed to cope but piss taking has been low so I'll have to step up.

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

arted on all the meaningless friendlies that International rugby teams play. What a waste of tim

I'm trying to educate a mostly Kiwi crowd here about the ARG mentality

There been at times an indifference to most Int'l games especially Summer test matches & EOYT to Europe

ARG is unique in having a diabolical travelling schedule and a shallow playing

Add Bad coaching and Management at UAR level & you have a cocktail for disaster

This has only been reversed in last 18 months with Ledesma & Quesada

RWC and Improvements in TRC are the criteria in which ARG measure itself

Test matches they may be called but that's a fancy word for friendlies
This country beating that country in 2017 means fuck all in 2019

Rugby runs on 4 year cycles I couldn't give a fuck about most Pumas games from 2016-19*

Except when they win and then they suddenly become worthwhile? I'm sure a win over the ABs would be met with a shrug of the shoulders due to the obviously friendly and unimportant nature of that encounter.

I thought this "only the RWC games are actual games" bullshit was destroyed when the ABs won 2 in a row. Clearly not.

@nzzp said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

Piling in quite late to this.

You guys are are a bit sensitive to @Jaguares4real . He may be over=egging slightly, but that Jags side can go home feeling like they gave that a real crack. Some magic back play, the lines in midfield were amazing; they found space against a really good Crusaders defence. Looked creative and hard working, they have a bright future.

It'd be piling on less if he saw in the Jaguares victory over the Chiefs what he claims to see in the final.

The Chiefs found space against a really good Crusaders Jaguares defence. Looked creative and hard working, they have a bright future.

Except that's horse shit as an analysis of a game. The Chiefs lost because they dropped the ball about a million times, and you can't win dropping the ball. The Jaguares couldn't finish half chances, and you don't beat good sides by missing half chances.

And that's before we even discuss what would have happened if the Crusaders had needed extra points and decided to take a more offensive approach in the scrums. That could have turned very nasty for the Jaguares.

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

arted on all the meaningless friendlies that International rugby teams play. What a waste of tim

I'm trying to educate a mostly Kiwi crowd here about the ARG mentality

There been at times an indifference to most Int'l games especially Summer test matches & EOYT to Europe

ARG is unique in having a diabolical travelling schedule and a shallow playing

Add Bad coaching and Management at UAR level & you have a cocktail for disaster

This has only been reversed in last 18 months with Ledesma & Quesada

RWC and Improvements in TRC are the criteria in which ARG measure itself

Test matches they may be called but that's a fancy word for friendlies
This country beating that country in 2017 means fuck all in 2019

Rugby runs on 4 year cycles I couldn't give a fuck about most Pumas games from 2016-19*

Except when they win and then they suddenly become worthwhile? I'm sure a win over the ABs would be met with a shrug of the shoulders due to the obviously friendly and unimportant nature of that encounter.

I thought this "only the RWC games are actual games" bullshit was destroyed when the ABs won 2 in a row. Clearly not.

I’ll give old mate one thing with all his trolling and at times bizarre posting....he’s given me a Rugby nation I despise more than England. Well played.

@MN5 that's a bit sad, it's not even an Argie! Pretty sure the actual fans aren't such twats...

Oh and two things can be right at the same time you know.

@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

@MN5 that's a bit sad, it's not even an Argie! Pretty sure the actual fans aren't such twats...

Oh and two things can be right at the same time you know.

I met one in England who delighted in telling me Jonah couldn’t defend. I’ve assumed they’re all fluffybunnies based on that. It works for me.

@Stargazer
Glad to hear you are ok. Asthma sucks.
Agree with the rest of your post. Different perspectives are great. Social media style pontificating gets old quickly.

Did Neuter move to Argentina?

@jegga said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:

Did Neuter move to Argentina?

Didn't move there. Just a Fan... JAF... Would ya look at that...