@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

I expect they'll run out a full B team. It'll be an absolute mess and the All Blacks will stumble home unconvincingly, winning by less than twenty. A fitting farewell match for Sevu Reece, Finlay Christie and Anton Lienert-Brown.

However, I'd go with the best team possible, other than injuries and maybe resting players who've had a heavy workload. That best team possible would not include Beauden Barrett or Ardie Savea.

If Reece, ALB, and Christie are playing next week, I might have a brain aneurism

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Um, now you are just being silly. England did that this year (68-14) but no one else did, including South Africa (45-12). And we didn't beat England.

@nostrildamus said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Um, now you are just being silly. England did that this year (68-14) but no one else did, including South Africa (45-12). And we didn't beat England.

Argentina put 52 on them and Japan nearly beat them. 50 is expected

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@nostrildamus said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Um, now you are just being silly. England did that this year (68-14) but no one else did, including South Africa (45-12). And we didn't beat England.

Argentina put 52 on them and Japan nearly beat them. 50 is expected

I read that post as requiring a 50 win margin (not 52-28)...my bad then, but I just don't see the ABs scoring that much.

Coaches blew a chance to see if Flanders was up to test rugby, they could have sent him to the ABs instead of CLW. Obviously with my Pies hat on this is more evidence against the Keystone Koaches team.

@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Perform badly against us and it's a real downer on which to end the year

I don't want to be too mean, but even if we win by 50 the year has ended on a real downer.

@sparky said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Bones People think it's the same as The Netherlands. It's not.

It's just two provinces of the country. North Holland and South Holland. Okay, they are the most historically important and richest parts of the country. North Holland = Amsterdam. South Holland = Rotterdam and The Hague.

But the whole country is called The Netherlands.

Do you mansplain to your mother with that mouth? I was asking about the earthquake in Groningen.

Regardless of the result, nothing less than most of the coaching group handing in their carpark passes when they land back home will suffice for me. Toss out the trash

@Nepia said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Perform badly against us and it's a real downer on which to end the year

I don't want to be too mean, but even if we win by 50 the year has ended on a real downer.

They can't redeem the year now, no matter how many points they put up. And we know they won't put them up the right way, it'll be the kind of Harlem Globetrotters rugby that gets the Walrus up in arms

@canefan yes heads need to roll, we allowed England to score 33 points against us, we allowed the Springboks to score 43 against us the evidence is damning.. we used to be Respected.. now there's 20 yr olds such as Henry Pollock that see us as walkovers jesus christ it's all very rotten

i worry theyre afraid now.....and they pick a conservative team to gaurantee a good win...so all the same old faces....and they wont realise it would mean nothing, a loss with all new faces would tell us more thanexperiecned players winning a game they should win....

@Kiwiwomble If they do go with their ‘top’ team, I wonder if it’d be better to lose and hopefully force change. It’d be another rubbish record to break and would lessen the team’s reputation even further and might not lead to any change anyway but it could be for the best in the long run.

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble If they do go with their ‘top’ team, I wonder if it’d be better to lose and hopefully force change. It’d be another rubbish record to break and would lessen the team’s reputation even further and might not lead to any change anyway but it could be for the best in the long run.

Burn it down mate, burn it to the ground

@ShaquilleOatmeal in the past i would have thought the same but we've had a few games we "should" have won and didn't now...now i think they honestly see a lost to England and say..."we cant possibly run out young or inepxerienced guys....if a team with the 2016 world player fo the year cant win no one can"

@Kiwiwomble said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

i worry theyre afraid now.....and they pick a conservative team to gaurantee a good win...so all the same old faces....and they wont realise it would mean nothing, a loss with all new faces would tell us more thanexperiecned players winning a game they should win....

Afraid of what? What more could happen between now and the naming of the side on Thursday that hasn’t in the last 24-36 hours?

There aren’t too many that haven’t played so I expect to see them plus a few more that have been used sparingly.

Not sure about the status of Holland and Ioane.

@ACT-Crusader afraid of losing to wales...and that BB, Savea etc just had a bad one....and selecting them again will guarantee a win

i honestly think it more likely havili, christie and the like are more likely to be parachuted in than real, wholesale change...seriously...we're all expecting reece aren't we?

@Kiwiwomble shouldn't be Reece, a coach with long term vision would make sure to blood in Tangitau or Nanai-Seturo in a week like this, heck I'm pretty sure Ben smith with only a handful of super games made his debut on a northern tour sigh I miss Ted

@Grooter oh....i ageed 100%....but i have no faith razor does, i think they believe someone good from 10 years ago is more likely to regain their spark than someone on current hot form at a lower level will step up...experience...even experience at losing trumps all

To sum up the 2 years in charge, I think we pick largely the same side with a few more old heads to come in and we walk away with our usual mediocre 29-18 win like we always do against mediocre opposition.

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

Purposeful changes, otherwise what's the point?

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

He also said the changes were always planned if I heard right.

@Dan54 said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

He also said the changes were always planned if I heard right.

Yep, this is the week where he trots out reward caps to the lesser squad members after his A team have covered themselves in glory beating all-comers and ensuring a grand slam.
Yuck.

@reprobate said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Dan54 said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

He also said the changes were always planned if I heard right.

Yep, this is the week where he trots out reward caps to the lesser squad members after his A team have covered themselves in glory beating all-comers and ensuring a grand slam.
Yuck.

GH and Hansen knew the team couldn't maintain max performance for three matches in a row.

@Kiwiwomble said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@ShaquilleOatmeal in the past i would have thought the same but we've had a few games we "should" have won and didn't now...now i think they honestly see a lost to England and say..."we cant possibly run out young or inepxerienced guys....if a team with the 2016 world player fo the year cant win no one can"

Regardless of selection, losing to Wales would be a fucking abomination. I think we could seriously expect a new coach by Xmas.

@Bones said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

I was asking about the earthquake in Groningen.

That was Foster's fault.

The Rassie approach:

Bower/Bell/Mafileo/Lakai/Barrett/Darry/Parker/Sititi
Christie/Love/Clarke/Tupaea/Proctor/Jordan/DMac

Williams/Sami/Tosi/Holland (if fit or Lord)/RD
Ratima/Leicester/Rieko

Bench pack on by 50.

Fresh legs!

@pakman said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

The Rassie approach:

Bower/Bell/Mafileo/Lakai/Barrett/Darry/Parker/Sititi
Christie/Love/Clarke/Tupaea/Proctor/Jordan/DMac

Williams/Sami/Tosi/Holland (if fit or Lord)/RD
Ratima/Leicester/Rieko

Bench pack on by 50.

Certainly is innovative throwing a loosie many think is too small at lock when you've got a lock on the blindside.

Not sure Williams has been practicing his throwing either, while Taukieaho might struggle at loosehead.

Thought we'd try row by row for a change.

@Bones Fabien Holland has a flu like illness apparently. Apparent so do some other members of the squad.

They really should get a flu jab before the next time they head to the UK in flu season.

@sparky maybe they did, but in NZ with current NZ strains?

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

as i say my fear is his changes are things like reece....i hope im wrong

@taniwharugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@sparky maybe they did, but in NZ with current NZ strains?

That's exactly how flu jabs in the UK work, based on flus in the southern hemisphere!

@Bones said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@ShaquilleOatmeal in the past i would have thought the same but we've had a few games we "should" have won and didn't now...now i think they honestly see a lost to England and say..."we cant possibly run out young or inepxerienced guys....if a team with the 2016 world player fo the year cant win no one can"

Regardless of selection, losing to Wales would be a fucking abomination. I think we could seriously expect a new coach by Xmas.

We wouldn't lose to Wales even if Scott Barrett got a permanent red.

If he does give all the food bills a start, none of them will have had recent rugby nor developed an understanding of the other players. They'll be disjointed as fuck and we'll learn nothing from a stuttering performance.

Make wholesale changes and we learn nothing. Keep the changes to a reasonable number so we can see what the changes actually do.
I'd like to see the tight 5 basically remain the same (Holland back in for Lord), but with Taylor to the bench and Samisoni to start and give 30 mins of hard carries.
Loosies Savea out for Sititi.
BB right out for McKenzie with Love to fullback and Jordan to the wing. LF to the bench.

@Bones said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@sparky said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Bones said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Oh good, a club level at best ref.

She'll be better than the terrible ref we had yesterday. (Setting a low bar).

Maybe, but only in the bits where she can keep up.

If we start Reece, Hollie will have to slow herself down to adjust

@antipodean said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

They'll be disjointed as fuck and we'll learn nothing from a stuttering performance.

The coaching group or the players?