@Jet said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@MN5 said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@Jet said in 2026 6N - France v England:

Need to get Tangitau into the Allblacks sharpish.

Speed on the wing makes some difference. It stretches the field laterally. The defence cant cheat.

It was too easy for teams to deal with Reece, later day Rieko, Telea and even Clarke to an extent. They knew they wouldnt be gassed.

Reiko has pace and some power, Telea is slippery as an eel and Clarke has power and deceptive pace.

Agree on all counts with Reece though.

While all your points are valid, the point im making is the defending winger cant bite in as easily with Tangitau loitering with intent out there. You can give a Telea or a Reece a few yards of a head start.

It should free up a yard of space for the centres and presumably we could upskill him into a kick chase weapon too.

We need top end gas in the Allblacks.

WIthout looking at any stats I think it is Tangitaus acceleration that sets him apart from the others. Ioane and Clarke certainly don't lack top end speed.

......and yes, I hope he gets selected to debut this year.

@MN5 said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@Jet said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@MN5 said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@Jet said in 2026 6N - France v England:

Need to get Tangitau into the Allblacks sharpish.

Speed on the wing makes some difference. It stretches the field laterally. The defence cant cheat.

It was too easy for teams to deal with Reece, later day Rieko, Telea and even Clarke to an extent. They knew they wouldnt be gassed.

Reiko has pace and some power, Telea is slippery as an eel and Clarke has power and deceptive pace.

Agree on all counts with Reece though.

While all your points are valid, the point im making is the defending winger cant bite in as easily with Tangitau loitering with intent out there. You can give a Telea or a Reece a few yards of a head start.

It should free up a yard of space for the centres and presumably we could upskill him into a kick chase weapon too.

We need top end gas in the Allblacks.

WIthout looking at any stats I think it is Tangitaus acceleration that sets him apart from the others. Ioane and Clarke certainly don't lack top end speed.

......and yes, I hope he gets selected to debut this year.

Clarke is a great winger, in his own way, but we lack a winger who when put in space...is gone.
From 60m out etc.

I have many memories of Clarke in space, falling over when trying to change direction or approaching contact.

Dont want him dropped or anything but we cant have tugboats from 9-15....which is what I felt we had for the last few years, bar Jordan.

It's another reason Roigard not playing in the RWC final was one of Fozzies biggest mistakes.

He had skinned about 6 Springboks from a standing start from 55m a few weeks before.

He was another threat they would have had to worry about.

Our team is/was choc full of backs who didnt cause the opposition any problems.

We need a metronomic goal kicker too.

Handre Pollard and Ramos put our lads to shame.

Fuck off with your SH chat

Fantastic match

Ramos is nails, but England blew that

Can someone please explain why teams are more than happy to go 15 phases grinding out territory when they’re 5m or less from the line but when it comes to going through the phases on halfway with 90 seconds to go when you’re in the lead away from home and the opposition have a player in the bin your scrum half decides to box kick the ball away, badly I may add

If that’s the player’s decision he’s deselected

If it’s the coach’s game plan, pick up your P45

Dumb, dumb rugby

@MiketheSnow said in 2026 6N - France v England:

Fuck off with your SH chat

Well we just watched a game of super rugby.

@MiketheSnow said in 2026 6N - France v England:

Fantastic match

Ramos is nails, but England blew that

Can someone please explain why teams are more than happy to go 15 phases grinding out territory when they’re 5m or less from the line but when it comes to going through the phases on halfway with 90 seconds to go when you’re in the lead away from home and the opposition have a player in the bin your scrum half decides to box kick the ball away, badly I may add

If that’s the player’s decision he’s deselected

If it’s the coach’s game plan, pick up your P45

Dumb, dumb rugby

Getting held up over the line should be frowned upon too.

Teams need to stop getting white line fever.

@Jet said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@MiketheSnow said in 2026 6N - France v England:

Fantastic match

Ramos is nails, but England blew that

Can someone please explain why teams are more than happy to go 15 phases grinding out territory when they’re 5m or less from the line but when it comes to going through the phases on halfway with 90 seconds to go when you’re in the lead away from home and the opposition have a player in the bin your scrum half decides to box kick the ball away, badly I may add

If that’s the player’s decision he’s deselected

If it’s the coach’s game plan, pick up your P45

Dumb, dumb rugby

Getting held up over the line should be frowned upon too.

Teams need to stop getting white line fever.

Agreed. It's poor that teams havent adapted well to the rule that's been in place for a number of years now.

It's high risk to attack so close to the ruck with so many bodies around - just asking to be held up - you need to attack a channel wider where there is more space.

If you’re not analysing this match and tournament in terms of how it affects the SH…. Why are you even on the forum?

@Jet said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@MiketheSnow said in 2026 6N - France v England:

Fuck off with your SH chat

Well we just watched a game of super rugby.

No, you watched a high scoring TEST MATCH

Two entirely different animals

@Jet said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@MiketheSnow said in 2026 6N - France v England:

Fuck off with your SH chat

Well we just watched a game of super rugby.

It even had a classic Super Rugby jersery colour clash

@game_film said in 2026 6N - France v England:

If you’re not analysing this match and tournament in terms of how it affects the SH…. Why are you even on the forum?

That’s for after

Appreciate the match first

@MiketheSnow I’m all for both; before, during and after

England's ruck speed for their last try was rapid. I thought they'd won it with that effort.

Henry Pollock cupping his ear and shushing the crowd came back to bite him, his side and his nation in the arse.

I hope the young lad learns a bit more humility now and is told to respect the opposition and the traditions of the game a bit more.

@sparky As a wise man once told me, If you want to dance, you gotta pay the piper.

@MiketheSnow said in 2026 6N - France v England:

Can someone please explain why teams are more than happy to go 15 phases grinding out territory when they’re 5m or less from the line but when it comes to going through the phases on halfway with 90 seconds to go when you’re in the lead away from home and the opposition have a player in the bin your scrum half decides to box kick the ball away, badly I may add

I said that to Mrs Meldrew at the time- "England have probably blown the game with that kick" Dumber than the Genge YC.

Great game notwithstanding the clashing of the jerseys. England with the shackles off are a completely different side to the dull, formulaic side that have stunk up this 6N. The performance and the closeness of the result will likely save Borthwick's job but in reality it is an indictment of his methodology previous to this game and should result in his P45.

But it won't.

I just hope that there are enough sufficiently loud voices to drown out his statistically driven drivel going forward.

Interestingly, England with only the one win out of five were second behind France in the number of tries scored.

If we'd managed to squeak that win by let's say JvP not kicking the ball away with 90 seconds to go when he had a pod of forwards to truck it up we would then have had a great quiz question for the future - Who is the only player in the 6N to score four tries and end up on the losing side?

LBB has scored 17 tries in two 6N editions. That must be a record. Despite all his defensive frailties, Tangitau has to be included in the AB squad. Speed is the only weapon against speed.

@game_film Why would you shush the Stade de France crowd (and in plain site of the opposition) with two minutes to go in a tight test with the result and the championship on the line, unless you are an utter knob without any understanding of the game?

Henry Pollock? Henry Plonker, more like.

The lad needs help.

Watching back some highlights I think LBB was in front of the kicker (Ramos) for his 4th try. Poor work by the TMO cost England the match and Ireland the Championship.

@sparky said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@game_film Why would you shush the Stade de France crowd (and in plain site of the opposition) with two minutes to go in a tight test with the result and the championship on the line, unless you are an utter knob without any understanding of the game?

Henry Pollock? Henry Plonker, more like.

The lad needs help.

Obviously feels the cold too. Always has a top on under his jersey.

great game, amazing tournament. Where has that England been and why can't Borthwick get that out of the players when there's pressure on as opposed to when we're playing for pride and his job?

Stories from inside the camp suggest Maro has been a shell of himself this tournament around the training ground etc, not surprising really after losing his mum. Thought he had a good game but the knock on at the end was infuriating. The high tackle from Davidson was a phase or two before the ref actually gave the decision which is why people are confused. I'm biased so struggling to work out if i thought that was a pen or not. A few decisions went against us in the game, which always happens but when its decided by the last kick its always easy to point at them.

England overview: A very decent set of players, poorly coached (who on earth is coaching Roebuck's defensive positioning when his inside backs are drifting and he's sprinting up into the opposition line?). I suspect Steve will stay, but i think changes will be made to save his skin, personally I'd get rid of Wigglesworth and El Abd and find actual coaches. If there was a top class coach floating around at the moment i'd believe this England squad could do real damage to the top of the table over the next 18 months

France - no idea what to say really, their pack don't look as good as I thought they were, their backs are electric, but their heads go down still, like the old days. Well deserved tournament victory, saw some stats last night that showed they were 1st for almost every single positive metric over the tournament.

Ho hum, 1 win from 5 matches, worst ever result in the 6N, first time we've finished behind Italy on the table, with that squad? There should be consequences, I bet there won't be.

Fantastic effort by the players to spare the rest of us an England squad with a decent coach. Thank you and great work.

@nostrildamus said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@Bones said in 2026 6N - France v England:

Fantastic effort by the players to spare the rest of us an England squad with a decent coach. Thank you and great work.

I blame the immigrant fairweather fans...

Yeah I'm sure @dodge used to be Welsh

@Bones said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@nostrildamus said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@Bones said in 2026 6N - France v England:

Fantastic effort by the players to spare the rest of us an England squad with a decent coach. Thank you and great work.

I blame the immigrant fairweather fans...

Yeah I'm sure @dodge used to be Welsh

Son of Walrus

@sparky said in 2026 6N - France v England:

@game_film Why would you shush the Stade de France crowd (and in plain site of the opposition) with two minutes to go in a tight test with the result and the championship on the line, unless you are an utter knob without any understanding of the game?

Henry Pollock? Henry Plonker, more like.

The lad needs help.

I believe that he has been anointed with the moniker Henry Pillock on here. Personally I would prefer something stronger, but it works.