@Steven-Harris said in Reds v Chiefs:

I’m not into loading on officials and regardless of the reactions of commentators and the crowd all 4 officials need to have a long look at their on field performance
Not taking a look at the Reds try before halftime when a grounding could be clearly seen beggared belief
Is the TMO not in place to make the correct decision?
If the boot was on the foot I have no doubt if the game was played in Hamilton the crowd reaction would have been the same.

Be an interesting review for this officiating team come Monday morning
if Marcus Playle gets another game this season I will be surprised
Not sure how you miss 3 possible knock ons in a lead up to try and your still confident enough to award the try
At the end of the day the Chiefs deserved the victory and the JTA’s lack of discipline at a crucial time was a coach killer

Plenty of class from Fraser McFreight in the post match interview to keep his emotions in check

Regardless of the result Officials were a disgrace, another shocker after Doleman and company were terrible in the Crusaders v Canes game.
Every week now we are getting a horrendous performance by the officials.

@brodean Sa was already on the field when the Chiefs were on their goal line at the end of the 1st half.

There was one play when Jacobson made a carry early in the 2nd half when the commentator said it was Lord. He also mis-identified a number of Chiefs players in the 2nd half.

@brodean Exactly the kind of lock we need in NZ. Big units who can move. His brother was excellent for the U20s last year and a similar kind of player.

Jayden is much shorter so more a 6 than a lock. The stats show that Sa made much more tackles than Parker despite the difference in minutes played. He was busy.

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

Thought the refs stuffed up a bit, but still don't know for sure that was a try by reds on halftime.

You need to take another look at the slow mo angle from behind - it's a clear try

@KiwiMurph said in Reds v Chiefs:

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

Thought the refs stuffed up a bit, but still don't know for sure that was a try by reds on halftime.

You need to take another look at the slow mo angle from behind - it's a clear try

I did just before, it looks like one to me.

Just a matter of interest, I just watched a Prem game from England and commentators are pointing out just as many offsides etc that they think were missed, just not quite as stridently as the ones from last night.

Asking a favour of the ones who know how to do it. Can you take a screenshot of the disputed try, and post it here, showing the ball over or on the line, on the ground and it being pressed down by a Reds player?
That will put discussion on it to rest, and we can see the proof that the ref needed to say it was definitely a try.

@Dan54

This was in the highlights:

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

That will put discussion on it to rest, and we can see the proof that the ref needed to say it was definitely a try.

Discussion coming from.... you?

It was clear the refs messed up

@KiwiMurph said in Reds v Chiefs:

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

That will put discussion on it to rest, and we can see the proof that the ref needed to say it was definitely a try.

Discussion coming from.... you?

It was clear the refs messed up

Naa mate , on an Aussie rugby site where a couple of Aussie boys asked for it.
I honestly not too worried, I'm of the school if it get's given it a try, if it not it's not on scoreboard.

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

@KiwiMurph said in Reds v Chiefs:

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

That will put discussion on it to rest, and we can see the proof that the ref needed to say it was definitely a try.

Discussion coming from.... you?

It was clear the refs messed up

Naa mate , on an Aussie rugby site where a couple of Aussie boys asked for it.
I honestly not too worried, I'm of the school if it get's given it a try, if it not it's not on scoreboard.

They should just get rid of the TMO. It balances out in the end.

I'm here to whinge about the whinging.

The crowd and the partisan idiots in the commentary team need to open their other eye.

The comms fed off the crowd starting to get feral. Every time they saw a bobble it was the most egregious preplanned conspiracised decision in the history of the world.

Would suggest they check the law book and definition of a knock on (it needs to go forward). Most of the stuff they were booing about they were wrong. But it just fed their rage.

Just read through the thread and whoever described Turuni as unprofessional was 100% correct.

The biggest mistake by the ref, and he deserves criticism for it, was not checking the knock-ons before the Hutchison "try". But even then Reds got lucky in eventual outcome in that no card was issued for the cynical play at the halfback.

And moving on ... Re the not try to Qld at halftime. Nobody saw a grounding over the line.

Both on field officials desperately searching, right there, hands and knees etc.

The replay we saw did show the ball on the ground, but did not show the ball on the ground over or on or touching the line. (Just checked on Stan).

I'm not buying there was sufficient evidence to overturn the on-field decision.

Having said that there would not have been sufficient evidence to overturn an on-field decision of try.

In summary, good guys won, and I reckon if you did a review of the officiating I think you'd find they got more right than wrong.

@brodean said in Reds v Chiefs:

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

@KiwiMurph said in Reds v Chiefs:

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

That will put discussion on it to rest, and we can see the proof that the ref needed to say it was definitely a try.

Discussion coming from.... you?

It was clear the refs messed up

Naa mate , on an Aussie rugby site where a couple of Aussie boys asked for it.
I honestly not too worried, I'm of the school if it get's given it a try, if it not it's not on scoreboard.

They should just get rid of the TMO. It balances out in the end.

Yeah or just reduce thier scope to foul play and the scoring act, give refs the freedom to be more decisive..

If a ref waves play on for a call, wear it, don't have the TMO call it back a minute later checking and rechecking that ball that probably went forward and inch.

@taniwharugby said in Reds v Chiefs:

@brodean said in Reds v Chiefs:

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

@KiwiMurph said in Reds v Chiefs:

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

That will put discussion on it to rest, and we can see the proof that the ref needed to say it was definitely a try.

Discussion coming from.... you?

It was clear the refs messed up

Naa mate , on an Aussie rugby site where a couple of Aussie boys asked for it.
I honestly not too worried, I'm of the school if it get's given it a try, if it not it's not on scoreboard.

They should just get rid of the TMO. It balances out in the end.

Yeah or just reduce thier scope to foul play and the scoring act, give refs the freedom to be more decisive..

If a ref waves play on for a call, wear it, don't have the TMO call it back a minute later checking and rechecking that ball that probably went forward and inch.

I would happily reduce the involvement of the TMO, but only if people didn't whinge when the replays show an error. The whinging and bitching is why we have the system we have now. We have what we deserve.

@Crazy-Horse absolutely fair call.

Maybe there could be a directive on what they replay on the big.screen (eg just the movement rather than focus on a specific moment)

Endless slo mo replays (still sometimes wrong) do no-one any good, especially the game.

Just catching up on this game. Bright spots for me were Sititi, Sa, Hutchinson and Norris. Couple of nice touches from Brown too.
Parker disappointing with a couple of bad mistakes. It's a very good Reds loose trio to be fair, but if you want to be the ABs starting blindside I don't think you can be the worst loosie from both teams in a Super game. Remains a problem position for us.

One does wonder when a crowd seems this feral if the officials don't get a bit nervous. Lots of non calls and a couple of apparently dangerous hits allowed to pass by. Re the no try I can't see the clear touchdown that so many are claiming. I do think he probably scored nevertheless. But there were a couple of chiefs limbs that looked like they might stop the touchdown

Pleased that the Chiefs showed composure. I thought the interference allowed on both half backs was way excessive. Well done to them!

Flook and Paisami were a handful.

Liking what I am seeing from Hutchinson and Norris.

@Crazy-Horse said in Reds v Chiefs:

I would happily reduce the involvement of the TMO, but only if people didn't whinge when the replays show an error. The whinging and bitching is why we have the system we have now. We have what we deserve.

SRP has decided to minimise interventions from the TMO, unless it is foul play. The ref needs to ask them, which is very different to up north.

@ARHS Ditto on Hutchison and Norris too

@Crazy-Horse said in Reds v Chiefs:

@taniwharugby said in Reds v Chiefs:

@brodean said in Reds v Chiefs:

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

@KiwiMurph said in Reds v Chiefs:

@Dan54 said in Reds v Chiefs:

That will put discussion on it to rest, and we can see the proof that the ref needed to say it was definitely a try.

Discussion coming from.... you?

It was clear the refs messed up

Naa mate , on an Aussie rugby site where a couple of Aussie boys asked for it.
I honestly not too worried, I'm of the school if it get's given it a try, if it not it's not on scoreboard.

They should just get rid of the TMO. It balances out in the end.

Yeah or just reduce thier scope to foul play and the scoring act, give refs the freedom to be more decisive..

If a ref waves play on for a call, wear it, don't have the TMO call it back a minute later checking and rechecking that ball that probably went forward and inch.

I would happily reduce the involvement of the TMO, but only if people didn't whinge when the replays show an error. The whinging and bitching is why we have the system we have now. We have what we deserve.

I blame South Africans.

said in Reds v Chiefs:

I'm here to whinge about the whinging.

The crowd and the partisan idiots in the commentary team need to open their other eye.

The comms fed off the crowd starting to get feral. Every time they saw a bobble it was the most egregious preplanned conspiracised decision in the history of the world.

Would suggest they check the law book and definition of a knock on (it needs to go forward). Most of the stuff they were booing about they were wrong. But it just fed their rage.

Just read through the thread and whoever described Turuni as unprofessional was 100% correct.

The biggest mistake by the ref, and he deserves criticism for it, was not checking the knock-ons before the Hutchison "try". But even then Reds got lucky in eventual outcome in that no card was issued for the cynical play at the halfback.

And moving on ... Re the not try to Qld at halftime. Nobody saw a grounding over the line.

Both on field officials desperately searching, right there, hands and knees etc.

The replay we saw did show the ball on the ground, but did not show the ball on the ground over or on or touching the line. (Just checked on Stan).

I'm not buying there was sufficient evidence to overturn the on-field decision.

Having said that there would not have been sufficient evidence to overturn an on-field decision of try.

In summary, good guys won, and I reckon if you did a review of the officiating I think you'd find they got more right than wrong.

Was going to add in this post re the TMO no try call that I'm pretty sure the TMOs have multiple hi def monitors and thus are looking at multiple simultaneous angles. So that they can check the timing of when the ball touches the ground and can compare it to where the ball is relative to the tryline on the other screen. Whilst we see one angle at a time.