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Well, they're doing their best to make themselves relevant I suppose.

I'm sure it'll all be hugs and kind words after the actual fight.....

They are reportedly about to earn 2 mill each if they can sell it correctly and pretend they hate each other .

That is excellent money for two non boxers it must be said

Yep and two retired footballers , it’s hard to blame them,

In real boxing it’s looking increasingly like we are getting usyk v Dubois in July, not sure what it means for parker .

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:

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Well, they're doing their best to make themselves relevant I suppose.

I'm sure it'll all be hugs and kind words after the actual fight.....

They are reportedly about to earn 2 mill each if they can sell it correctly and pretend they hate each other .

That is excellent money for two non boxers it must be said

Yep and two retired footballers , it’s hard to blame them,

In real boxing it’s looking increasingly like we are getting usyk v Dubois in July, not sure what it means for parker .

For such a specialised and downright potentially dangerous sport it baffles me ( and always has ) that people with athleticism, profile and a willingness to give it a go can go far. SBW has more pedigree than Gallen.....but by golly they would look like absolute chumps in the ring with any geniune top heavyweights.

It's a similar principle to a bunch of strong, fast, athletic guys giving Rugby a go.

@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:

SBW has more pedigree than Gallen.....but by golly they would look like absolute chumps in the ring with any geniune top heavyweights.

I'm being serious here, SBW has boxed against more traditional (but faded) boxers hasn't he? And Gallen more against ex-leaguies? If so, despite and because of the different skillset/expeprience, could Gallen have an advantage (not height, fitness, age, reach, or perhaps traditional boxer training though)...

I'm transferring here, but have heard from oldtimers in other martial arts that sometimes it is harder to fight against newbies because they are so unpredictable (not knowing the proper techniques)...

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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:

SBW has more pedigree than Gallen.....but by golly they would look like absolute chumps in the ring with any geniune top heavyweights.

I'm being serious here, SBW has boxed against more traditional (but faded) boxers hasn't he? And Gallen more against ex-leaguies? If so, despite and because of the different skillset/expeprience, could Gallen have an advantage (not height, fitness, age, reach, or perhaps traditional boxer training though)...

I'm transferring here, but have heard from oldtimers in other martial arts that sometimes it is harder to fight against newbies because they are so unpredictable (not knowing the proper techniques)...

First time for everything

SBW vs Gallen is an ( EXTREMELY ) poor mans Ali vs Frazier. With all due respect to a couple of excellent footy players who were great at what they did that is probably insulting to the actual boxers to make this comparison.

Worth noting Gallen beat Mark Hunt who knocked out SBW but then again there is the whole "styles make fights" argument so its a tough one to gauge.

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Well, they're doing their best to make themselves relevant I suppose.

I'm sure it'll all be hugs and kind words after the actual fight.....

They are reportedly about to earn 2 mill each if they can sell it correctly and pretend they hate each other .

That is excellent money for two non boxers it must be said

Yep and two retired footballers , it’s hard to blame them,

In real boxing it’s looking increasingly like we are getting usyk v Dubois in July, not sure what it means for parker .

For such a specialised and downright potentially dangerous sport it baffles me ( and always has ) that people with athleticism, profile and a willingness to give it a go can go far. SBW has more pedigree than Gallen.....but by golly they would look like absolute chumps in the ring with any geniune top heavyweights.

It's a similar principle to a bunch of strong, fast, athletic guys giving Rugby a go.

They wouldn’t lay a glove on usyk ,nothing would land , Dubois would walk them down and destroy them within minutes , it would be cruel to watch .

Not only are they much inferior boxers , they are 39 and 43

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

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I like how Usyk always has to fight English HWs twice.

Benn v Eubank was a classic

@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:

Benn v Eubank was a classic

Amazing that the rivalry continues into the next generation. The chances of one of them forging a career are low, BOTH of them is ridiculous.

Their old men were absolute warriors.

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yeah was a great fight even if the two of them dont really trouble the top guys in their division ,

Sometimes a local grudge fight really delivers because of the intense rivalry

So are we not talking SBW/Gallen?

Perhaps leave the thread for discussion of actual boxers?

Brilliant build up, Gallen is good at the marketing shit eh. Pretty naff fight.

I love my boxing but refuse to pay for that , tried to find a stream but wasn’t having much luck and went to bed

Sounds like a draw would have been a good result .

Some good fights Sunday though , usyk v Dubois and Tim tszyu tries to avenge his loss to fundora .

While on the usyk v Dubois fight,

Frank warren through the week in an interview said Joe parker is guaranteed to fight the winner,

I have mixed emotions on who I want to win , I think Joe has less chance of beating usyk but also has less chance of being brutally knocked out , Dubois is a lesser boxer but his power is real.

Dubois has a hail mary chance only, if he doesn't land a KO punch Uysk schools him again and gets DD to take a knee as he will think he is surrounded .

Same as the first fight, Usyk schools him again.

That’s the safe bet,

I’m expecting dubious to try and start fast , going forwards throwing power shots in bunches , he basically has to . He’s not going to win rounds so has to try and make it chaotic and uncomfortable for usyk . The problem is usyk makes you miss and counter punches beautifully

The longer the fight goes , the harder it gets for Dubois .

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

That’s the safe bet,

I’m expecting dubious to try and start fast , going forwards throwing power shots in bunches , he basically has to . He’s not going to win rounds so has to try and make it chaotic and uncomfortable for usyk . The problem is usyk makes you miss and counter punches beautifully

The longer the fight goes , the harder it gets for Dubois .

That's Dubois style too, come out of the blocks hard and fast, problem for him is, is that the longer the fight goes on, the harder it'll be for Dubois to keep up, similar to when he lost to Joyce a few years back. Once you get a feel of Dubois power, I feel he doesn't have another gear, where as Usyk seems to get faster as the fights go on.

@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

That’s the safe bet,

I’m expecting dubious to try and start fast , going forwards throwing power shots in bunches , he basically has to . He’s not going to win rounds so has to try and make it chaotic and uncomfortable for usyk . The problem is usyk makes you miss and counter punches beautifully

The longer the fight goes , the harder it gets for Dubois .

That's Dubois style too, come out of the blocks hard and fast, problem for him is, is that the longer the fight goes on, the harder it'll be for Dubois to keep up, similar to when he lost to Joyce a few years back. Once you get a feel of Dubois power, I feel he doesn't have another gear, where as Usyk seems to get faster as the fights go on.

If anyone is to beat usyk , I think it has to be someone who can achieve that , throw power shots in bunches and something connects , particularly upper cuts and body shots .

In a fantasy fight a prime mike Tyson would probably be his worst opponent to face .

I think we might be in for a few good entertaining rounds early before usyk assumes control .

@Bones said in Boxing Thread:

So are we not talking SBW/Gallen?

They don’t deserve it

I think DD is not going to go all out from the bell, he will be gagey thinking he will set Usyk up for a killer body shot that him and his team have convinced themselves they should have won from by KO in the last fight. It has some merit in that tagging Usyk clean to the head is way too taxing.
Uysk will then bank those early rounds and DD will become desperate and frustrated and the tank will run dry...=Uysk stoppage .
Parker has a better chance v Usyk than Dubois does but its still low %
If DD does connect and win I'm sure Usyk has a rematch clause so JP forced to wait another 6-9mths which is no good for him.. best case is whoever wins WBO strips them

Parker winning against Usyk? I just can't see it (nobody save this post for later thanks).

@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:

Parker winning against Usyk? I just can't see it (nobody save this post for later thanks).

Agreed.

Parker has improved out of sight in the last few years ( I thought he was finished after Joe Joyce knocked him out but he made me eat my raw fish )

Comfortably my favourite New Zealand sportsman too.

I think Usyk is just that little bit classy ( for everyone to be fair, he is an ATG )

As for the SBW/Gallen fight I bet they're catching up for a beer ( or perhaps Orange juice in SBWs case ) and having a massive laugh about the whole thing.

A pair of great league players but jeepers we live in a strange world that they can earn that much as boxers.

Yeah Parker seems a great guy but if any of them could trouble Usyk I would have thought it would be Fury, who didn't, and Parker doesn't have Fury's tricks or reach.

Yes Parker has a low % chance of beating Usyk but I feel he has a better chance than DD.
The best chance of Usyk losing if he takes his eye off the ball ala Lennoxs 2 loses but Usyk doesn't seem wired that way

have to share these comments from stuff on SBW

poster 1: Such a humble kiwi
poster 2: Isn't he Australian now he's a loser?

:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:

have to share these comments from stuff on SBW

poster 1: Such a humble kiwi
poster 2: Isn't he Australian now he's a loser?

:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Great league player, Good Rugby player, hard to rank as a "boxer".

......and despite what the haters say I actually like him as a commentator/pundit !

I thought fury was the best chance of the current bunch to box with him but still was way off the mark . And I’ve probably changed that to kabayal now if he got an opportunity.

I’m of the opinion the only chance to beat him ( from the current lot ) is to stop him , in other words, throw caution to the wind a bit , yes it’s dangerous but you aren’t winning on points anyway if you don’t .

Moses itaumu is potentially the guy most capable but is still too young and by the time he reaches his peak , usyk will be finished.

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

I thought fury was the best chance of the current bunch to box with him but still was way off the mark . And I’ve probably changed that to kabayal now if he got an opportunity.

I’m of the opinion the only chance to beat him ( from the current lot ) is to stop him , in other words, throw caution to the wind a bit , yes it’s dangerous but you aren’t winning on points anyway if you don’t .

Moses itaumu is potentially the guy most capable but is still too young and by the time he reaches his peak , usyk will be finished.

Yeah no one is going to outbox Usyk. As you say, Fury was the best chance and he didn't manage it twice.

KO is the only option, slightly easier said than done though.

VERY hard to see Usyk any less than 100% focussed so the chances are slim to none. He's kind of this generations Lennox Lewis in that he's not super exciting but he's the absolute best by a long shot.

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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

I thought fury was the best chance of the current bunch to box with him but still was way off the mark . And I’ve probably changed that to kabayal now if he got an opportunity.

I’m of the opinion the only chance to beat him ( from the current lot ) is to stop him , in other words, throw caution to the wind a bit , yes it’s dangerous but you aren’t winning on points anyway if you don’t .

Moses itaumu is potentially the guy most capable but is still too young and by the time he reaches his peak , usyk will be finished.

Yeah no one is going to outbox Usyk. As you say, Fury was the best chance and he didn't manage it twice.

KO is the only option, slightly easier said than done though.

VERY hard to see Usyk any less than 100% focussed so the chances are slim to none. He's kind of this generations Lennox Lewis in that he's not super exciting but he's the absolute best by a long shot.

If there is any glimmer of hope for the younger fighters, at 38 he is not going to get better, and while he has shown no sign of decline , he is human , and sometimes fighters age almost overnight.

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

I thought fury was the best chance of the current bunch to box with him but still was way off the mark . And I’ve probably changed that to kabayal now if he got an opportunity.

I’m of the opinion the only chance to beat him ( from the current lot ) is to stop him , in other words, throw caution to the wind a bit , yes it’s dangerous but you aren’t winning on points anyway if you don’t .

Moses itaumu is potentially the guy most capable but is still too young and by the time he reaches his peak , usyk will be finished.

Yeah no one is going to outbox Usyk. As you say, Fury was the best chance and he didn't manage it twice.

KO is the only option, slightly easier said than done though.

VERY hard to see Usyk any less than 100% focussed so the chances are slim to none. He's kind of this generations Lennox Lewis in that he's not super exciting but he's the absolute best by a long shot.

If there is any glimmer of hope for the younger fighters, at 38 he is not going to get better, and while he has shown no sign of decline , he is human , and sometimes fighters age almost overnight.

Yep great call. Any number of ATGs have had a loss or two or more in the twilight of their careers.

Not knowing him from a bar of soap one assumes he is savvy enough to avoid this scenario unlike so many in the past.

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

If there is any glimmer of hope for the younger fighters, at 38 he is not going to get better, and while he has shown no sign of decline , he is human , and sometimes fighters age almost overnight.

Usyk is human? The guy who speeds up the more the fight wears on?
Ukrainian T-1000 (on cruise mode)....

@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:

Yes Parker has a low % chance of beating Usyk but I feel he has a better chance than DD.
The best chance of Usyk losing if he takes his eye off the ball ala Lennoxs 2 loses but Usyk doesn't seem wired that way

I respectfully disagree. Parker doesn't have elite power, and would get busted up stalking him round the ring. He'd lose in a 12 round shut out, would go as far as to say that he wouldn't win a round

On Dubois, let's not forget in the first fight that he could easily have been given the victory in round 5 with that body shot/low blow. That was away from home. He's at home this weekend. If he lands that same shot, who knows, maybe he gets given the nod?

Other than that, he got schooled pretty badly, but he does have heavy hands and won't die wondering.

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

I love my boxing but refuse to pay for that , tried to find a stream but wasn’t having much luck and went to bed

Sounds like a draw would have been a good result .

Oh fuck no, I wasn't paying for it. Plus it was on after lunch.

Only one clear round to SBW, reckon at least 2 were clear Gallen. The build up collating all the previous years/months was funny, although Gallen playing the old man card is a bit weird when he's only 2 years older.

@Bones said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

I love my boxing but refuse to pay for that , tried to find a stream but wasn’t having much luck and went to bed

Sounds like a draw would have been a good result .

Oh fuck no, I wasn't paying for it. Plus it was on after lunch.

Only one clear round to SBW, reckon at least 2 were clear Gallen. The build up collating all the previous years/months was funny, although Gallen playing the old man card is a bit weird when he's only 2 years older.

Wrong.

SBW won all of them.

@MN5 fuck, my bad.

Love how they quote him in the "article" and it's not at all what the headline says.

@African-Monkey True Parker does not have elite power of the big HWs but he does have faster hands and can land combos alot of those bigger punchers cannot. He is now stronger and fitter than ever before and can adapt on the run much better than the likes of DD.
Does this mean I think JP v Usyk is 50/50 hell no but of the current HWs I see JP and Kabayel the ones who could ask questions of Usyk.
Dubois may have a punchers chance but thats it - and his best chance is to aim for his meat and vege again.
Usyk schools him more comprehensibly this time.

WBO have ordered usyk defend his title to parker , they have 30 days to respond .

If he vacates , it’s looking like Joe might fight Moses Itauma for the vacant title , the two highest ranked wbo fighters . The kid destined for greatness , maybe it’s a good time to get him while he is only 20 but on Parker’s behalf , I don’t like that matchup.