That’s the safe bet,
I’m expecting dubious to try and start fast , going forwards throwing power shots in bunches , he basically has to . He’s not going to win rounds so has to try and make it chaotic and uncomfortable for usyk . The problem is usyk makes you miss and counter punches beautifully
The longer the fight goes , the harder it gets for Dubois .
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
That’s the safe bet,
I’m expecting dubious to try and start fast , going forwards throwing power shots in bunches , he basically has to . He’s not going to win rounds so has to try and make it chaotic and uncomfortable for usyk . The problem is usyk makes you miss and counter punches beautifully
The longer the fight goes , the harder it gets for Dubois .
That's Dubois style too, come out of the blocks hard and fast, problem for him is, is that the longer the fight goes on, the harder it'll be for Dubois to keep up, similar to when he lost to Joyce a few years back. Once you get a feel of Dubois power, I feel he doesn't have another gear, where as Usyk seems to get faster as the fights go on.
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
That’s the safe bet,
I’m expecting dubious to try and start fast , going forwards throwing power shots in bunches , he basically has to . He’s not going to win rounds so has to try and make it chaotic and uncomfortable for usyk . The problem is usyk makes you miss and counter punches beautifully
The longer the fight goes , the harder it gets for Dubois .
That's Dubois style too, come out of the blocks hard and fast, problem for him is, is that the longer the fight goes on, the harder it'll be for Dubois to keep up, similar to when he lost to Joyce a few years back. Once you get a feel of Dubois power, I feel he doesn't have another gear, where as Usyk seems to get faster as the fights go on.
If anyone is to beat usyk , I think it has to be someone who can achieve that , throw power shots in bunches and something connects , particularly upper cuts and body shots .
In a fantasy fight a prime mike Tyson would probably be his worst opponent to face .
I think we might be in for a few good entertaining rounds early before usyk assumes control .
I think DD is not going to go all out from the bell, he will be gagey thinking he will set Usyk up for a killer body shot that him and his team have convinced themselves they should have won from by KO in the last fight. It has some merit in that tagging Usyk clean to the head is way too taxing.
Uysk will then bank those early rounds and DD will become desperate and frustrated and the tank will run dry...=Uysk stoppage .
Parker has a better chance v Usyk than Dubois does but its still low %
If DD does connect and win I'm sure Usyk has a rematch clause so JP forced to wait another 6-9mths which is no good for him.. best case is whoever wins WBO strips them
Parker winning against Usyk? I just can't see it (nobody save this post for later thanks).
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
Parker winning against Usyk? I just can't see it (nobody save this post for later thanks).
Agreed.
Parker has improved out of sight in the last few years ( I thought he was finished after Joe Joyce knocked him out but he made me eat my raw fish )
Comfortably my favourite New Zealand sportsman too.
I think Usyk is just that little bit classy ( for everyone to be fair, he is an ATG )
As for the SBW/Gallen fight I bet they're catching up for a beer ( or perhaps Orange juice in SBWs case ) and having a massive laugh about the whole thing.
A pair of great league players but jeepers we live in a strange world that they can earn that much as boxers.
Yeah Parker seems a great guy but if any of them could trouble Usyk I would have thought it would be Fury, who didn't, and Parker doesn't have Fury's tricks or reach.
have to share these comments from stuff on SBW
poster 1: Such a humble kiwi
poster 2: Isn't he Australian now he's a loser?
:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
have to share these comments from stuff on SBW
poster 1: Such a humble kiwi
poster 2: Isn't he Australian now he's a loser?:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Great league player, Good Rugby player, hard to rank as a "boxer".
......and despite what the haters say I actually like him as a commentator/pundit !
I thought fury was the best chance of the current bunch to box with him but still was way off the mark . And I’ve probably changed that to kabayal now if he got an opportunity.
I’m of the opinion the only chance to beat him ( from the current lot ) is to stop him , in other words, throw caution to the wind a bit , yes it’s dangerous but you aren’t winning on points anyway if you don’t .
Moses itaumu is potentially the guy most capable but is still too young and by the time he reaches his peak , usyk will be finished.
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
I thought fury was the best chance of the current bunch to box with him but still was way off the mark . And I’ve probably changed that to kabayal now if he got an opportunity.
I’m of the opinion the only chance to beat him ( from the current lot ) is to stop him , in other words, throw caution to the wind a bit , yes it’s dangerous but you aren’t winning on points anyway if you don’t .
Moses itaumu is potentially the guy most capable but is still too young and by the time he reaches his peak , usyk will be finished.
Yeah no one is going to outbox Usyk. As you say, Fury was the best chance and he didn't manage it twice.
KO is the only option, slightly easier said than done though.
VERY hard to see Usyk any less than 100% focussed so the chances are slim to none. He's kind of this generations Lennox Lewis in that he's not super exciting but he's the absolute best by a long shot.
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
I thought fury was the best chance of the current bunch to box with him but still was way off the mark . And I’ve probably changed that to kabayal now if he got an opportunity.
I’m of the opinion the only chance to beat him ( from the current lot ) is to stop him , in other words, throw caution to the wind a bit , yes it’s dangerous but you aren’t winning on points anyway if you don’t .
Moses itaumu is potentially the guy most capable but is still too young and by the time he reaches his peak , usyk will be finished.
Yeah no one is going to outbox Usyk. As you say, Fury was the best chance and he didn't manage it twice.
KO is the only option, slightly easier said than done though.
VERY hard to see Usyk any less than 100% focussed so the chances are slim to none. He's kind of this generations Lennox Lewis in that he's not super exciting but he's the absolute best by a long shot.
If there is any glimmer of hope for the younger fighters, at 38 he is not going to get better, and while he has shown no sign of decline , he is human , and sometimes fighters age almost overnight.
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
I thought fury was the best chance of the current bunch to box with him but still was way off the mark . And I’ve probably changed that to kabayal now if he got an opportunity.
I’m of the opinion the only chance to beat him ( from the current lot ) is to stop him , in other words, throw caution to the wind a bit , yes it’s dangerous but you aren’t winning on points anyway if you don’t .
Moses itaumu is potentially the guy most capable but is still too young and by the time he reaches his peak , usyk will be finished.
Yeah no one is going to outbox Usyk. As you say, Fury was the best chance and he didn't manage it twice.
KO is the only option, slightly easier said than done though.
VERY hard to see Usyk any less than 100% focussed so the chances are slim to none. He's kind of this generations Lennox Lewis in that he's not super exciting but he's the absolute best by a long shot.
If there is any glimmer of hope for the younger fighters, at 38 he is not going to get better, and while he has shown no sign of decline , he is human , and sometimes fighters age almost overnight.
Yep great call. Any number of ATGs have had a loss or two or more in the twilight of their careers.
Not knowing him from a bar of soap one assumes he is savvy enough to avoid this scenario unlike so many in the past.
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
If there is any glimmer of hope for the younger fighters, at 38 he is not going to get better, and while he has shown no sign of decline , he is human , and sometimes fighters age almost overnight.
Usyk is human? The guy who speeds up the more the fight wears on?
Ukrainian T-1000 (on cruise mode)....
@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
Yes Parker has a low % chance of beating Usyk but I feel he has a better chance than DD.
The best chance of Usyk losing if he takes his eye off the ball ala Lennoxs 2 loses but Usyk doesn't seem wired that way
I respectfully disagree. Parker doesn't have elite power, and would get busted up stalking him round the ring. He'd lose in a 12 round shut out, would go as far as to say that he wouldn't win a round
On Dubois, let's not forget in the first fight that he could easily have been given the victory in round 5 with that body shot/low blow. That was away from home. He's at home this weekend. If he lands that same shot, who knows, maybe he gets given the nod?
Other than that, he got schooled pretty badly, but he does have heavy hands and won't die wondering.
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
I love my boxing but refuse to pay for that , tried to find a stream but wasn’t having much luck and went to bed
Sounds like a draw would have been a good result .
Oh fuck no, I wasn't paying for it. Plus it was on after lunch.
Only one clear round to SBW, reckon at least 2 were clear Gallen. The build up collating all the previous years/months was funny, although Gallen playing the old man card is a bit weird when he's only 2 years older.
@Bones said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
I love my boxing but refuse to pay for that , tried to find a stream but wasn’t having much luck and went to bed
Sounds like a draw would have been a good result .
Oh fuck no, I wasn't paying for it. Plus it was on after lunch.
Only one clear round to SBW, reckon at least 2 were clear Gallen. The build up collating all the previous years/months was funny, although Gallen playing the old man card is a bit weird when he's only 2 years older.
Wrong.
SBW won all of them.
@African-Monkey True Parker does not have elite power of the big HWs but he does have faster hands and can land combos alot of those bigger punchers cannot. He is now stronger and fitter than ever before and can adapt on the run much better than the likes of DD.
Does this mean I think JP v Usyk is 50/50 hell no but of the current HWs I see JP and Kabayel the ones who could ask questions of Usyk.
Dubois may have a punchers chance but thats it - and his best chance is to aim for his meat and vege again.
Usyk schools him more comprehensibly this time.
8 days later
WBO have ordered usyk defend his title to parker , they have 30 days to respond .
If he vacates , it’s looking like Joe might fight Moses Itauma for the vacant title , the two highest ranked wbo fighters . The kid destined for greatness , maybe it’s a good time to get him while he is only 20 but on Parker’s behalf , I don’t like that matchup.
22 days later
Hard to know how much to read into this with Whyte old and inactive, but Moses continues on his path towards the top anyway
They really are pushing Itauma hard. Whyte showing that he has nothing left but a name on a record, not that he was anything special in the first place.
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
They really are pushing Itauma hard. Whyte showing that he has nothing left but a name on a record, not that he was anything special in the first place.
Yeah it was a smart match up for them to get something of a name on the resume
It feels like he and Parker are on a collision course unless Usyk fights Parker
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
They really are pushing Itauma hard. Whyte showing that he has nothing left but a name on a record, not that he was anything special in the first place.
Yeah it was a smart match up for them to get something of a name on the resume
It feels like he and Parker are on a collision course unless Usyk fights Parker
Likely to be next now Itauma v Parker for the vacant WBO
Moses Itauma-that old Slovak-Nigerian hand speed is epic! (Although Anthony Joseph didn't seem to inherit that part of it).
24 days later
Intriguing fight tomorrow, canelo v Crawford, logic says canelo should be too big , but Crawford has special gifts and you just can’t close the door on his chances , particularly with canelo starting to show the miles on the clock.
Parker fighting wardley on October 25th , parker is wbo mandatory , wardley wba , winner allegedly will be getting usyk .
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
Intriguing fight tomorrow, canelo v Crawford, logic says canelo should be too big , but Crawford has special gifts and you just can’t close the door on his chances , particularly with canelo starting to show the miles on the clock.
Parker fighting wardley on October 25th , parker is wbo mandatory , wardley wba , winner allegedly will be getting usyk .
Canelo. Too powerful. Those hooks can break down brick walls.
Masterclass by Crawford, canelo has looked off for a while but still , can’t take away what Bud achieved when you consider coming up from 147 , one fight at 154 , then going to 168 to beat an undisputed champion.
Also RIP Ricky Hatton , randomly met him once in a bar in Thailand , just a very normal bloke enjoying a beer and a laugh, very happy to have a chat . So sad to hear it looks like suicide.
@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
I had Crawford winning but not comfortable as that- he shut out Canelo who looks like he is on the slide and understandably so he while younger has had a hell of a long career turning pro at 15!
Very sad re Hatton a real working mans champion.
A lot of miles on the clock for canelo , 68 is a lot of fights in this era , and I reckon most of the last 20 or so he always looks very bruised and marked afterwards . I don’t think he was slipping shots like his younger years . But it’s also worth noting in those 68 fights , he never touched the canvas once , chin of granite .
1 month later
@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
Joseph Parker v Fabio Wardley this sun approx 10am should be interesting fight.
Parker favourite but has most to lose so pressure on him more than Wardley.
A mid rounds KO to JP seems most likely but Wardley can punch...
He's unbeaten but hasn't beaten anyone if that makes sense.
JP with more to lose, definitely going into this one as favourite.
Wardley is the new Wilder. Can be down plenty on the cards but packs a punch, as we saw against Huni last time out and his KO of Frazer Clarke was something else. Can't believe Clarke is still fighting after that.
Parker will have to stay disciplined for 12 and not trade with Wardley. Either a Parker UD or Wardley KO I feel.
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
Wardley is the new Wilder. Can be down plenty on the cards but packs a punch, as we saw against Huni last time out and his KO of Frazer Clarke was something else. Can't believe Clarke is still fighting after that.
Parker will have to stay disciplined for 12 and not trade with Wardley. Either a Parker UD or Wardley KO I feel.
Huge power. VERY heavy handed.
it could be a potential banana skin fight , but so was Wilder, Zhang and Bakole , and its because Joe did fight those guys and won he has a new found respect in the boxing world and people have been pushing his case
its a risk worth taking IMO , he simply needs to get back in the ring and keep the train rolling, , its been too long , and he allegedly gets usyk if he wins as well which is the ultimate prize fight he has been chasing
