Boxing Thread

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

I thought fury was the best chance of the current bunch to box with him but still was way off the mark . And I’ve probably changed that to kabayal now if he got an opportunity.

I’m of the opinion the only chance to beat him ( from the current lot ) is to stop him , in other words, throw caution to the wind a bit , yes it’s dangerous but you aren’t winning on points anyway if you don’t .

Moses itaumu is potentially the guy most capable but is still too young and by the time he reaches his peak , usyk will be finished.

Yeah no one is going to outbox Usyk. As you say, Fury was the best chance and he didn't manage it twice.

KO is the only option, slightly easier said than done though.

VERY hard to see Usyk any less than 100% focussed so the chances are slim to none. He's kind of this generations Lennox Lewis in that he's not super exciting but he's the absolute best by a long shot.

If there is any glimmer of hope for the younger fighters, at 38 he is not going to get better, and while he has shown no sign of decline , he is human , and sometimes fighters age almost overnight.

Yep great call. Any number of ATGs have had a loss or two or more in the twilight of their careers.

Not knowing him from a bar of soap one assumes he is savvy enough to avoid this scenario unlike so many in the past.

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

If there is any glimmer of hope for the younger fighters, at 38 he is not going to get better, and while he has shown no sign of decline , he is human , and sometimes fighters age almost overnight.

Usyk is human? The guy who speeds up the more the fight wears on?
Ukrainian T-1000 (on cruise mode)....

@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:

Yes Parker has a low % chance of beating Usyk but I feel he has a better chance than DD.
The best chance of Usyk losing if he takes his eye off the ball ala Lennoxs 2 loses but Usyk doesn't seem wired that way

I respectfully disagree. Parker doesn't have elite power, and would get busted up stalking him round the ring. He'd lose in a 12 round shut out, would go as far as to say that he wouldn't win a round

On Dubois, let's not forget in the first fight that he could easily have been given the victory in round 5 with that body shot/low blow. That was away from home. He's at home this weekend. If he lands that same shot, who knows, maybe he gets given the nod?

Other than that, he got schooled pretty badly, but he does have heavy hands and won't die wondering.

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

I love my boxing but refuse to pay for that , tried to find a stream but wasn’t having much luck and went to bed

Sounds like a draw would have been a good result .

Oh fuck no, I wasn't paying for it. Plus it was on after lunch.

Only one clear round to SBW, reckon at least 2 were clear Gallen. The build up collating all the previous years/months was funny, although Gallen playing the old man card is a bit weird when he's only 2 years older.

@Bones said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

I love my boxing but refuse to pay for that , tried to find a stream but wasn’t having much luck and went to bed

Sounds like a draw would have been a good result .

Oh fuck no, I wasn't paying for it. Plus it was on after lunch.

Only one clear round to SBW, reckon at least 2 were clear Gallen. The build up collating all the previous years/months was funny, although Gallen playing the old man card is a bit weird when he's only 2 years older.

Wrong.

SBW won all of them.

@MN5 fuck, my bad.

Love how they quote him in the "article" and it's not at all what the headline says.

@African-Monkey True Parker does not have elite power of the big HWs but he does have faster hands and can land combos alot of those bigger punchers cannot. He is now stronger and fitter than ever before and can adapt on the run much better than the likes of DD.
Does this mean I think JP v Usyk is 50/50 hell no but of the current HWs I see JP and Kabayel the ones who could ask questions of Usyk.
Dubois may have a punchers chance but thats it - and his best chance is to aim for his meat and vege again.
Usyk schools him more comprehensibly this time.

WBO have ordered usyk defend his title to parker , they have 30 days to respond .

If he vacates , it’s looking like Joe might fight Moses Itauma for the vacant title , the two highest ranked wbo fighters . The kid destined for greatness , maybe it’s a good time to get him while he is only 20 but on Parker’s behalf , I don’t like that matchup.

Hard to know how much to read into this with Whyte old and inactive, but Moses continues on his path towards the top anyway

They really are pushing Itauma hard. Whyte showing that he has nothing left but a name on a record, not that he was anything special in the first place.

@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:

They really are pushing Itauma hard. Whyte showing that he has nothing left but a name on a record, not that he was anything special in the first place.

Yeah it was a smart match up for them to get something of a name on the resume

It feels like he and Parker are on a collision course unless Usyk fights Parker

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:

They really are pushing Itauma hard. Whyte showing that he has nothing left but a name on a record, not that he was anything special in the first place.

Yeah it was a smart match up for them to get something of a name on the resume

It feels like he and Parker are on a collision course unless Usyk fights Parker

Likely to be next now Itauma v Parker for the vacant WBO

Moses Itauma-that old Slovak-Nigerian hand speed is epic! (Although Anthony Joseph didn't seem to inherit that part of it).

Intriguing fight tomorrow, canelo v Crawford, logic says canelo should be too big , but Crawford has special gifts and you just can’t close the door on his chances , particularly with canelo starting to show the miles on the clock.

Parker fighting wardley on October 25th , parker is wbo mandatory , wardley wba , winner allegedly will be getting usyk .

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

Intriguing fight tomorrow, canelo v Crawford, logic says canelo should be too big , but Crawford has special gifts and you just can’t close the door on his chances , particularly with canelo starting to show the miles on the clock.

Parker fighting wardley on October 25th , parker is wbo mandatory , wardley wba , winner allegedly will be getting usyk .

Canelo. Too powerful. Those hooks can break down brick walls.

Masterclass by Crawford, canelo has looked off for a while but still , can’t take away what Bud achieved when you consider coming up from 147 , one fight at 154 , then going to 168 to beat an undisputed champion.

Also RIP Ricky Hatton , randomly met him once in a bar in Thailand , just a very normal bloke enjoying a beer and a laugh, very happy to have a chat . So sad to hear it looks like suicide.

I had Crawford winning but not comfortable as that- he shut out Canelo who looks like he is on the slide and understandably so he while younger has had a hell of a long career turning pro at 15!
Very sad re Hatton a real working mans champion.

@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:

I had Crawford winning but not comfortable as that- he shut out Canelo who looks like he is on the slide and understandably so he while younger has had a hell of a long career turning pro at 15!
Very sad re Hatton a real working mans champion.

A lot of miles on the clock for canelo , 68 is a lot of fights in this era , and I reckon most of the last 20 or so he always looks very bruised and marked afterwards . I don’t think he was slipping shots like his younger years . But it’s also worth noting in those 68 fights , he never touched the canvas once , chin of granite .

Joseph Parker v Fabio Wardley this sun approx 10am should be interesting fight.
Parker favourite but has most to lose so pressure on him more than Wardley.
A mid rounds KO to JP seems most likely but Wardley can punch...

@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:

Joseph Parker v Fabio Wardley this sun approx 10am should be interesting fight.
Parker favourite but has most to lose so pressure on him more than Wardley.
A mid rounds KO to JP seems most likely but Wardley can punch...

He's unbeaten but hasn't beaten anyone if that makes sense.

JP with more to lose, definitely going into this one as favourite.

Wardley is the new Wilder. Can be down plenty on the cards but packs a punch, as we saw against Huni last time out and his KO of Frazer Clarke was something else. Can't believe Clarke is still fighting after that.

Parker will have to stay disciplined for 12 and not trade with Wardley. Either a Parker UD or Wardley KO I feel.

His own (Wardley) defense is pretty open so a good chance also that Parker could stop him.
Usyk has come out and said he will fight the winner....
Hope this isn't a banana skin for Parker- I'm sure ...well as sure as I can be

@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:

Wardley is the new Wilder. Can be down plenty on the cards but packs a punch, as we saw against Huni last time out and his KO of Frazer Clarke was something else. Can't believe Clarke is still fighting after that.

Parker will have to stay disciplined for 12 and not trade with Wardley. Either a Parker UD or Wardley KO I feel.

Huge power. VERY heavy handed.

it could be a potential banana skin fight , but so was Wilder, Zhang and Bakole , and its because Joe did fight those guys and won he has a new found respect in the boxing world and people have been pushing his case

its a risk worth taking IMO , he simply needs to get back in the ring and keep the train rolling, , its been too long , and he allegedly gets usyk if he wins as well which is the ultimate prize fight he has been chasing

For those who dont know ,

Joe puts out these videos on his own you tube channel that are quite well made that show his journey ,

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

For those who dont know ,

Joe puts out these videos on his own you tube channel that are quite well made that show his journey ,

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My favourite NZ sportsman. Ardie Savea and Glenn Phillips have fallen away of late.

I know quite a number of people who’ve met him and they all say EXACTLY the same. Hell of a nice, humble fella. Great sense of humour. Confident without arrogant as this clip shows.

Hell of a fighter too ( none have been punched by him to be fair )

Has Parker put on some muscle? Looks like it to me but I may be out of date here..

He has yes
George Lockhart his S & C coach seems to be getting results

Yeah he is much thicker now ,he is a good 10 kgs heavier than the earlier fighter that first won the title and fought Joshua, expecting to weigh in around the117 kg mark for this fight .

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

Yeah he is much thicker now ,he is a good 10 kgs heavier than the earlier fighter that first won the title and fought Joshua, expecting to weigh in around the117 kg mark for this fight .

That is sizeable, even on a 1.93m frame.

I'm sure the trainers have it under control but hopefully that extra bulk doesn't make him gas quicker.

@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

Yeah he is much thicker now ,he is a good 10 kgs heavier than the earlier fighter that first won the title and fought Joshua, expecting to weigh in around the117 kg mark for this fight .

That is sizeable, especially on a 1.93m frame.

I'm sure the trainers have it under control but hopefully that extra bulk doesn't make him gas quicker.

It’s been gradual rather than overnight since he hooked up with Lee and Lockhart.

Under Barry he tended to fight off the back foot a lot more , under Lee there is more of the kronk style , controlling centre ring and planting the front foot to unleash his shots .

So it’s all part of a plan to be more assertive.

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

Yeah he is much thicker now ,he is a good 10 kgs heavier than the earlier fighter that first won the title and fought Joshua, expecting to weigh in around the117 kg mark for this fight .

That is sizeable, especially on a 1.93m frame.

I'm sure the trainers have it under control but hopefully that extra bulk doesn't make him gas quicker.

It’s been gradual rather than overnight since he hooked up with Lee and Lockhart.

Under Barry he tended to fight off the back foot a lot more , under Lee there is more of the kronk style , controlling centre ring and planting the front foot to unleash his shots .

So it’s all part of a plan to be more assertive.

It looks like useful muscle mass to me, this fight could be very interesting.
But I really don't want to see Parker face Usyk.

The size is one thing but the major plus with having Lockhart seems to be the science and structure to his conditioning.
Parker has alluded to when with Barry he over trained in camp due to himself coming into camp unfit and overweight then being thrashed to exhaustion before getting into the ring and discovering he had low energy.
Lockhart seems to have addressed this and Lee has Parker doing a lot of feints and switching levels which aren't as draining as continuously punching but distract and confuse the opponent enough then parker lands some nice combos to bank the rounds.
Sitting down on punches is the kronk style and I have noticed Parker throws as many lead rights as he does jab which again is making the opponent over think and tire and that is what I think he will do with Wardley...
I will be shocked if Parker loses this but hey shocks and upsets are part of boxing

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

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Parker 119kg.

Maybe he could stay in the UK after the fight and play number 8 for the ABs wit those dimensions ?

Haven't heard much from Wardley before but he's another very likeable fella, can't one of these guys become a trash talking arsehole ?

Yeah no bad guy in this fight Wardley pretty intelligent and respectful dude.
The good thing for him he can easily rebuild after a loss to parker...on the other hand a parker loss to wardley is deverstating