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@Rembrandt said in Boxing Thread:

@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:

@Rembrandt said in Boxing Thread:

Proper sanctioned bout though right? Rigging chances pretty slim considering consequences if anything came out. JP to retire now surely.

It went six rounds. That raises massive question marks.

No doubt..its just they're both really rich dudes, with the ability to earn plenty more, I just can't see them putting all of that on the line and risk federal prison just for 1 fight. More likely JP is just a little more skilled with a lot bigger balls than most folk expected. Looks like a broken jaw too from a video doing the rounds. Hate to say it but I have some respect for the guy now.

Sounds like a combination of ring rust for AJ, Paul being better than expected and doing some serious spoiling and maybe, just maybe an agreement that AJ needs to take it slightly easier in the first few rounds. All that being said and as @MiketheSnow alludes to surely if he came out with the Ngannou mindset he would have dealt to him well inside the first round. Pro fighting is littered with accusations of dives and payoffs from Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Listion to Butch Coolidge vs Floyd Wilson.

Hats off to Jake Paul, he has hustled the right folk to actually pay him a ridiculous amount. Pro boxing ( well, ANY boxing ) is no joke though, a broken jaw takes awhile to heal.

Ngannou didn't run though he was big target who stood in front of AJ...suicide.
Jake ran around the oversized ring...in fairness to him he did avoid some big shots from AJ and even landed some of his own but they didn't have any effect on a big HW.
Weight classes are there for a reason.
Both guys made coin and gives AJ and Fury something to argue over to promote their fight.

I love boxing and didnt bother watching it , have little interest in the gimmick fights ,

At least he came out of it with some genuine injuries , Boxing isnt supposed to be a game

AJ and Fury look like finally fighting, years too late of course , years ago i would have picked Fury

But I actually think AJ might stop him now , both have deteriorated ,but the last thing to leave is your power and i suspect Furys deterioration of his once elite defensive skills may come back to bite him here .

@kiwiinmelb I think Fury will try to fight AJ like he did Deontay 2 & 3 but AJ is a better boxer than Wilder. Stopping Fury will be a big call as he has great recovery and will but age does mess with that ..
I think they will fight at least 2 times and could split the wins and take it to a trilogy.... best earner for all

@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb I think Fury will try to fight AJ like he did Deontay 2 & 3 but AJ is a better boxer than Wilder. Stopping Fury will be a big call as he has great recovery and will but age does mess with that ..
I think they will fight at least 2 times and could split the wins and take it to a trilogy.... best earner for all

The Wilder trilogy and the two Usyk losses took heaps out of Fury.

That plus father time.

I reckon he's gone for good this time.

@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb I think Fury will try to fight AJ like he did Deontay 2 & 3 but AJ is a better boxer than Wilder. Stopping Fury will be a big call as he has great recovery and will but age does mess with that ..
I think they will fight at least 2 times and could split the wins and take it to a trilogy.... best earner for all

My point was , the advantage I believed fury had over him , movement , slickness , ability to slip punches , hand speed , I just don’t think is there anymore . Although he still may have the better chin .

The old peek a boo fury I think would have caused AJ all sorts of problems technically, but the flat footed fury now trying to exchange shots , far less so .

I think AJs decline has been more due to a drop in self belief more so than the physical drop off like furys . In a fight of trading shots with both fighters getting hit I favour the heavier puncher .

Sinu and Latz, Anthony Joshua's personal trainer and his strength and conditioning coach, were killed in a car crash in Nigeria this morning when a lorry hit the SUV they were travelling in.

Anthony Joshua was in the other side of the car and has survived with minor injuries.

Fair to say I've never seen this happen, ever.

Lol his career continues to be remembered for indifferent reasons

Did anyone know this fight was on until yesterday ?

Me neither

Wilders record looks really good on paper, considerably better than any number of all time greats.

I really hope this was the last fight for both of these guys.

@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:

Did anyone know this fight was on until yesterday ?

Me neither

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Wilders record looks really good on paper, considerably better than any number of all time greats.

I really hope this was the last fight for both of these guys.

Two local legends fighting outside the rugby club after too many pints

Great entertainment

Wilder's won himself a few more paydays.

@African-Monkey Exactly
AJ would be best earner
Wilder looked better than he has for a few years but Chisora is a slow plodder so made him look better.
should target AJ as anyone in the top 10 probably KO's him

@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:

@African-Monkey Exactly
AJ would be best earner
Wilder looked better than he has for a few years but Chisora is a slow plodder so made him look better.
should target AJ as anyone in the top 10 probably KO's him

I still think he can beat AJ too. We've seen that AJ doesn't like getting hit, and even though Wilder is delusional and shot, he has a ton of heart and doesn't have any quit in him.

I'm a Wilder fan. He's a much better boxer than people give him credit for with a ton of heart......and his power is awesome.

....but lets be realistic about who he was up against.

He isn't the same fighter after the Fury trilogy ( and neither is Fury to be fair )

Fun fight even if it resembled a couple of drunks swinging for the fence at times , wilders best performance for a while , not sure if that had anything to do with a change of trainers ,

Moses last week was impressive I thought , showed more patience than usual and seemed to pick his moments more against a durable opponent . Still looks to be the future of the division.

Wardley v Dubois may 6th should be a good one .

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

Fun fight even if it resembled a couple of drunks swinging for the fence at times , wilders best performance for a while , not sure if that had anything to do with a change of trainers ,

Moses last week was impressive I thought , showed more patience than usual and seemed to pick his moments more against a durable opponent . Still looks to be the future of the division.

Wardley v Dubois may 6th should be a good one .

Wardley Dubois is must watch TV. A straight shootout that one which won't go 12.

For those that missed itauma v Franklin

Fury v Makhmudov on Netlix April 11
Too be honest none of the older generation are interested in Moses - Risk v reward
Moses doesn't have a title and will be awhile before he gets a shot- unless Dubois beats Wardley ( Moses and Wardley stable mates so won't fight) Frank may want to promote that inhouse.
Wilder and AJ should fight asap otherwise 1 will get beaten again and the big retirement payday is gone.
AJ may want Fury but don't think Fury wants it- he only has eyes on Usyk.

@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:

Fury v Makhmudov on Netlix April 11
Too be honest none of the older generation are interested in Moses - Risk v reward
Moses doesn't have a title and will be awhile before he gets a shot- unless Dubois beats Wardley ( Moses and Wardley stable mates so won't fight) Frank may want to promote that inhouse.
Wilder and AJ should fight asap otherwise 1 will get beaten again and the big retirement payday is gone.
AJ may want Fury but don't think Fury wants it- he only has eyes on Usyk.

Even though he’s still a bit green and perhaps not quite ready,

I’d pick Moses to beat everyone right now except usyk

David Nyika could be in line for a world title fight soon with Opetaia and CBS under Zuffa. He'll fight Viddal Riley for the vacant IBF title if things fall his way.

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

David Nyika could be in line for a world title fight soon with Opetaia and CBS under Zuffa. He'll fight Viddal Riley for the vacant IBF title if things fall his way.

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How does that work if opetaia just recently got stripped of the IBF belt for fighting under Zuffa ?

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

David Nyika could be in line for a world title fight soon with Opetaia and CBS under Zuffa. He'll fight Viddal Riley for the vacant IBF title if things fall his way.

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How does that work if opetaia just recently got stripped of the IBF belt for fighting under Zuffa ?

With Opetaia stripped, it was assumed Riley and CBS would fight for the vacant IBF title - they still could fight but people assume that because he just signed for Zuffa last night, that fight is likely off as they don't see the IBF working with Zuffa. Naturally Opetaia would likely get the next shot at Riley as he got re-ranked to 4th behind CBS, but he's also under Zuffa.

So with CBS and Opetaia possibly out of the way, Nyika has a decent shot of getting to fight Riley for the vacant title. Although it could also be Masson(another Kiwi) or Perez.

Not sure if I answered your question though, as I'm not quite sure what you mean.

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

David Nyika could be in line for a world title fight soon with Opetaia and CBS under Zuffa. He'll fight Viddal Riley for the vacant IBF title if things fall his way.

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How does that work if opetaia just recently got stripped of the IBF belt for fighting under Zuffa ?

With Opetaia stripped, it was assumed Riley and CBS would fight for the vacant IBF title - they still could fight but people assume that because he just signed for Zuffa last night, that fight is likely off as they don't see the IBF working with Zuffa. Naturally Opetaia would likely get the next shot at Riley as he got re-ranked to 4th behind CBS, but he's also under Zuffa.

So with CBS and Opetaia possibly out of the way, Nyika has a decent shot of getting to fight Riley for the vacant title. Although it could also be Masson(another Kiwi) or Perez.

Not sure if I answered your question though, as I'm not quite sure what you mean.

yeah that makes sense, i misunderstood how you meant it , thought you meant Zuffa was involved

Cruiserweight division turning into a non event , we should have had unification fights by now , it should have been Opetaia v Ramirez, well before it has come to this , although Ramirez v Benevidoz is at least an interesting match up for a change .

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

David Nyika could be in line for a world title fight soon with Opetaia and CBS under Zuffa. He'll fight Viddal Riley for the vacant IBF title if things fall his way.

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How does that work if opetaia just recently got stripped of the IBF belt for fighting under Zuffa ?

With Opetaia stripped, it was assumed Riley and CBS would fight for the vacant IBF title - they still could fight but people assume that because he just signed for Zuffa last night, that fight is likely off as they don't see the IBF working with Zuffa. Naturally Opetaia would likely get the next shot at Riley as he got re-ranked to 4th behind CBS, but he's also under Zuffa.

So with CBS and Opetaia possibly out of the way, Nyika has a decent shot of getting to fight Riley for the vacant title. Although it could also be Masson(another Kiwi) or Perez.

Not sure if I answered your question though, as I'm not quite sure what you mean.

yeah that makes sense, i misunderstood how you meant it , thought you meant Zuffa was involved

Cruiserweight division turning into a non event , we should have had unification fights by now , it should have been Opetaia v Ramirez, well before it has come to this , although Ramirez v Benevidoz is at least an interesting match up for a change .

Yeah, Zurdo vs Opetaia needed to happen already. That fight has a chance to happen this year if Zurdo holds off Benavidez as Opetaia just recently got ranked number 1 with the WBA, which is the title Zurdo holds.

I think Benavidez beats Zurdo though, and the dream would be an even better match-up between Opetaia vs Benavidez, but sadly Benavidez wants to go back down to Light Heavy after the Zurdo fight. Maybe Opetaia vs Zurdo for the vacant title if Benavidez wins?

The question mark is always Zuffa and how they let Opetaia move in his career. They need to give him freedom to fight on non-Zuffa cards and also stop parading their Zuffa belt(that's what got Opetaia got stripped).

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

David Nyika could be in line for a world title fight soon with Opetaia and CBS under Zuffa. He'll fight Viddal Riley for the vacant IBF title if things fall his way.

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How does that work if opetaia just recently got stripped of the IBF belt for fighting under Zuffa ?

With Opetaia stripped, it was assumed Riley and CBS would fight for the vacant IBF title - they still could fight but people assume that because he just signed for Zuffa last night, that fight is likely off as they don't see the IBF working with Zuffa. Naturally Opetaia would likely get the next shot at Riley as he got re-ranked to 4th behind CBS, but he's also under Zuffa.

So with CBS and Opetaia possibly out of the way, Nyika has a decent shot of getting to fight Riley for the vacant title. Although it could also be Masson(another Kiwi) or Perez.

Not sure if I answered your question though, as I'm not quite sure what you mean.

yeah that makes sense, i misunderstood how you meant it , thought you meant Zuffa was involved

Cruiserweight division turning into a non event , we should have had unification fights by now , it should have been Opetaia v Ramirez, well before it has come to this , although Ramirez v Benevidoz is at least an interesting match up for a change .

Yeah, Zurdo vs Opetaia needed to happen already. That fight has a chance to happen this year if Zurdo holds off Benavidez as Opetaia just recently got ranked number 1 with the WBA, which is the title Zurdo holds.

I think Benavidez beats Zurdo though, and the dream would be an even better match-up between Opetaia vs Benavidez, but sadly Benavidez wants to go back down to Light Heavy after the Zurdo fight. Maybe Opetaia vs Zurdo for the vacant title if Benavidez wins?

The question mark is always Zuffa and how they let Opetaia move in his career. They need to give him freedom to fight on non-Zuffa cards and also stop parading their Zuffa belt(that's what got Opetaia got stripped).

Jai wants to unify Cruiserweight and then move to heavyweight . Thats always been his goal. I know his cousin , he walks around at 220 pounds and diets down to make weight, and he believes he can easily put on 10 kilos or more of good strength.

But doesnt want to go back and forwards. Once he goes to heavyweight he stays there . but he is getting the shits with how hard it is to make big fights, if this all drags on and on he may just pull the trigger and move up.The bigger money is at heavyweight anyway .

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:

@Dice said in Boxing Thread:

David Nyika could be in line for a world title fight soon with Opetaia and CBS under Zuffa. He'll fight Viddal Riley for the vacant IBF title if things fall his way.

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How does that work if opetaia just recently got stripped of the IBF belt for fighting under Zuffa ?

With Opetaia stripped, it was assumed Riley and CBS would fight for the vacant IBF title - they still could fight but people assume that because he just signed for Zuffa last night, that fight is likely off as they don't see the IBF working with Zuffa. Naturally Opetaia would likely get the next shot at Riley as he got re-ranked to 4th behind CBS, but he's also under Zuffa.

So with CBS and Opetaia possibly out of the way, Nyika has a decent shot of getting to fight Riley for the vacant title. Although it could also be Masson(another Kiwi) or Perez.

Not sure if I answered your question though, as I'm not quite sure what you mean.

yeah that makes sense, i misunderstood how you meant it , thought you meant Zuffa was involved

Cruiserweight division turning into a non event , we should have had unification fights by now , it should have been Opetaia v Ramirez, well before it has come to this , although Ramirez v Benevidoz is at least an interesting match up for a change .

Yeah, Zurdo vs Opetaia needed to happen already. That fight has a chance to happen this year if Zurdo holds off Benavidez as Opetaia just recently got ranked number 1 with the WBA, which is the title Zurdo holds.

I think Benavidez beats Zurdo though, and the dream would be an even better match-up between Opetaia vs Benavidez, but sadly Benavidez wants to go back down to Light Heavy after the Zurdo fight. Maybe Opetaia vs Zurdo for the vacant title if Benavidez wins?

The question mark is always Zuffa and how they let Opetaia move in his career. They need to give him freedom to fight on non-Zuffa cards and also stop parading their Zuffa belt(that's what got Opetaia got stripped).

Jai wants to unify Cruiserweight and then move to heavyweight . Thats always been his goal. I know his cousin , he walks around at 220 pounds and diets down to make weight, and he believes he can easily put on 10 kilos or more of good strength.

But doesnt want to go back and forwards. Once he goes to heavyweight he stays there . but he is getting the shits with how hard it is to make big fights, if this all drags on and on he may just pull the trigger and move up.The bigger money is at heavyweight anyway .

He should just move up anyway imo. The CW divison is back to being a wasteland again after a good few years with Usyk, prime Briedis, Dorticos, Gassiev etc in it. He's wasting his prime years waiting around.

Can't see him moving up for a few years. He gets asked about moving up all the time and he gives the same answer about not moving up until he's undisputed. The problem is it's really hard to do.

He first won the IBF title in 2022 and hasn't had a shot at any of the other champs since. I think he signed with Zuffa because he's hoping Turki can just will these big fights over the line with big money offers.

Wow , what a war ,

Can’t think of a more entertaining heavyweight fight in recent memory, probably challenges the best ever fights of all time for pure entertainment value

Yeah a throw back.. i was calling for Fabios corner to save their man... I know he has a hail mary but he took way too much punishment.
A brave corner is dangerous

@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:

Yeah a throw back.. i was calling for Fabios corner to save their man... I know he has a hail mary but he took way too much punishment.
A brave corner is dangerous

Yeah , I guess while he is still standing he is still a chance , just like wilder ,

Must be hard to pull the trigger when you have a fighter like that , sometimes you just got to though, some of these fighters are too brave for their own good ,

Wouldn’t be surprised if we get a rematch, or Moses if they think he’s ready

Fabios speed troubled DD early so Moses will have that advantage but no one knows how Moses will respond to pulled into a war...
Rematch clause is there for Fabio but he will take some recovery time

@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:

Fabios speed troubled DD early so Moses will have that advantage but no one knows how Moses will respond to pulled into a war...
Rematch clause is there for Fabio but he will take some recovery time

If there is @ rematch clause he will take it , you just never know, on a different day he may land that big shot

Congrats to both men, both afraid to fight nobody and prepared to jump in and have a tear up.

I think now the dust has settled, the big takeaway for me is Dubois is a very dangerous opponent for many , Very heavy hands , that jab hits like a jackhammer and his footwork is underrated ,

The fact he has quit on occasions when things aren’t working for him is maybe the biggest trap out there for some fighters , and a dangerous assumption, because do you have the arsenal to make him quit ? if not you will be in for a very tough night .

Maybe with hindsight Joe dodged a bullet when his fight was canceled, I mean Hrgovic, AJ , Fabio are in the area of 50/50 fights for him , and Dubois demolished them , Usyk is in a class of his own .

Usyk v Rico

Awesome contest

@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:

Usyk v Rico

Awesome contest

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Sounded like a controversial stoppage. Did you see it ?