@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@bayimports actually that's a good point about the bench
if we have two guys that will probably play 80 in the loosies why two on the bench? One lock will sit down, and SB will shift. who else goes?
the one who is carded of course
@bayimports said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
so i assume the presser hasn't happened
what does selection tell us?
Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted
anotherat least one kicking option,
Fixed. Oh for the days when we had Carter and Dagg on the field.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.
Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?
You clearly didn't pay any attention to Taylor or Sami' in the last two games (or in all the games last year for that matter). I can therefore only conclude you aren't you aren't a true rugby man.
@Dice said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.
ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.
If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.
For the Warriors RTS was generally covering for 12 dunderheads and having to account for most of the attacking metres for his side at the same time.
Yes that goes without saying. But if you look at when he played at the Roosters it was the same. The most noticeable is the grab tackle where he gets pushed off. It’s just a work on for him.
In general, his defense has been better than QT and Havili in SR despite having less experience than them.
Strangely, he is quite good at reads already. I thought that was going to be his biggest weakness on defense.
Yep he is not bad - our D was poor last week, we played a lot without the ball for various reasons. Hope we do better.
just a few thoughts, agree with others Samisoni should obviously be in the team, Extremely happy Fakatava remains in the side
ditto Ross, Sotutu didn't feature this series
I hope Dave Havili can bring his form from the final to the cake tin this Saturday & well Roger I wish him all the best!
It's all been said but holy crap the two posters trying to claim ST hasn't been effective in the minutes he's played this series, I don't think I could possibly overstate how much better he is than Taylor in every single facet of the game.
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
We are complaining that our gameplan seems to rely on individual brilliance but then have two 10s that have always played that way.
I wonder if Perofeta, Zarn Sullivan or even David Havili might be better in those spots post World Cup.
Nope. I don't see a game manager anywhere there.
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
We are complaining that our gameplan seems to rely on individual brilliance but then have two 10s that have always played that way.
I wonder if Perofeta, Zarn Sullivan or even David Havili might be better in those spots post World Cup.
Nope. I don't see a game manager anywhere there.
From fullback Zarn certainly managed the first Maori Irish game with his boot
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.
ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.
If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.
I can (sadly) report that I watched every single one of RTS’s Warriors games. Yes I am tragic.
I think he reads the play well and is actually a better tackler when he goes low which is better for rugby as a 2nd 5 than a league fullback.
I’m interested in what the strategy is for his injection into the match. Barring injuries, when do they want him to come on.
Sometimes the big games need the big call 
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@bayimports actually that's a good point about the bench
if we have two guys that will probably play 80 in the loosies why two on the bench? One lock will sit down, and SB will shift. who else goes?
In game one Cane subbed off didn't he?
Reserves:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Crucial Sullivan definitely has the potential. He needs time at 10.
Yep, of the names mentioned he is a possibility. Pity he isn't playing 10 though and is unlikely to if he stays at the Blues.
@ACT-Crusader yeah he is a great player. The skill set for rugby is different. Just think he is being rushed.
@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@kev But who is he intended to sub for do you think? Haven’t seen much to suggest he’s an international standard centre to sub Reiko, and if he subs Havili has he got a decent positional kicking game?
At this point he is only a 2nd five who can’t kick.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...
Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.
and coached
and served on the committee for a decadebut yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.
I think it’s hard to take you seriously when you have a profile pic that appears to be President Camacho!
I’ll pile in on the ST WTF? Aside from that, and it’s a big one - not like Taylor or Coles need more games, the 23 pretty much as I’d guess. I was sure RTS would get one go, the only thing is Sotutu, but the desire for BBSB 
in at 6 meant that would be the case
The Irish team listed like that just reiterates that they already have a ready-made provincial combination with Leinster. Put Ringrose back in, and the influence is even greater in the starting XV. Back to the Cantablacks of Mitchell and Deans.
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
profile pic that appears to be President Camacho!
I'm Rick James bitch!
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
profile pic that appears to be President Camacho!
I'm Rick James bitch!
Haha I know but I always think
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...
Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.
and coached
and served on the committee for a decadebut yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.
didn't realise that, which club?
NZ TAB odds:
NZ $1.25
IRE $4.00
Draw $21.00
9 point spread.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
you should get down to club rugby and stand on sidelines in rain etc, gives you appreciation of what rugby is in real world.
lol fuck off
no nerve touched, i just wonder why people like you even come here?
Because I enjoy the sensible discussion about rugby when it's here. And although I not very good at getting across what I want and may seem harsh and everything , but I love the game and generally like talking to rugby people.
Mind you I will add of all the people who I know from rugby etc I am probably only one dumb enough to come into these forums lol, so perhaps that says something huh?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...
Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.
and coached
and served on the committee for a decadebut yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.
again I say who ever said that about you? As I say abit defensive there sunshine. lol
Seems I said I don't like the idea that we don't give due respect and kudos to Ireland (and othet teams) and that got you upset etc, so with all due respect to you if that upsets you I think it says more about you than me. I will just carry on just the same thanks.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
NZ TAB odds:
NZ $1.25
IRE $4.00
Draw $21.009 point spread.
Well there seems to be a few people on TSF picking the AB's to lose
Time for them to make same easy money. Bet big on Ireland. Post receipts.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...
Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.
and coached
and served on the committee for a decadebut yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.
Must be the impression you give
no, that impression of being a bombastic know-it-all but with little clue is actually real, but not because i have no clubland links
But someone who can only answer any criticism with insults , and not even at you , but as you were mate.
@Duluth I'm with you in that I think our players are too good for Ireland at home, despite our obvious issues under Foster. The fact Ireland only managed to score 23 points and beat us by 11 despite our red card and two yellows speaks volumes really, they just don't have enough points in them if we keep 15 players on the field.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.
ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.
If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.
I can (sadly) report that I watched every single one of RTS’s Warriors games. Yes I am tragic.
I think he reads the play well and is actually a better tackler when he goes low which is better for rugby as a 2nd 5 than a league fullback.
I’m interested in what the strategy is for his injection into the match. Barring injuries, when do they want him to come on.
Sometimes the big games need the big call
Interesting thing RTS was saying in an interview last week when discussing how hard he was finding game, he said in league he made probably 2 tackles a agme and finding extra work in union bloody tiring, as I never watch league, I was surprised.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
For all the talk about New Zealand fans are very knowledgeable, I just checked out the comments section on Facebook.
In fairness what did you expect to find on Facebook 
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.
ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.
If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.
I can (sadly) report that I watched every single one of RTS’s Warriors games. Yes I am tragic.
I think he reads the play well and is actually a better tackler when he goes low which is better for rugby as a 2nd 5 than a league fullback.
I’m interested in what the strategy is for his injection into the match. Barring injuries, when do they want him to come on.
Sometimes the big games need the big call
Interesting thing RTS was saying in an interview last week when discussing how hard he was finding game, he said in league he made probably 2 tackles a agme and finding extra work in union bloody tiring, as I never watch league, I was surprised.
League fullbacks don’t make a lot of tackles because they are rarely in the line. The tackles they make are often scrambling.
Take last nights Origin, the two fullbacks had phenomenal games but the Qld fullback, Ponga who got player of the match only made 2 tackles and Tedesco is more of a physical style fullback made 5 tackles. That is in a game that had 600+ tackles made and about 100 missed tackles.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Duluth I'm with you in that I think our players are too good for Ireland at home, despite our obvious issues under Foster. The fact Ireland only managed to score 23 points and beat us by 11 despite our red card and two yellows speaks volumes really, they just don't have enough points in them if we keep 15 players on the field.
Almost all their points were scored when they had the same number of men as us. (They had a card too.)
But we won't be beaten because they score a lot. We will be beaten by not scoring many ourselves. That's how Ireland have won all the other times.
I'm expecting them to be far less adventurous. They literally gave us the ball a lot in the first test, costing them pretty much the margin of victory. They have had a good look at our attack, and with QT and ST out it is even less penetrative than before, and won't be scared of holding on.
It all comes down to whether the ABs can hold their passes under pressure, and how much ball they kick away. If the passes stick and they give up the kick-and-hope game, the men in black will win comfortably. If they get the dropsies, and if they kick away most of the possession once they haven't made an immediate break-through, then they will lose.
Edit: I don't make hard predictions with Foster's teams. I learned many, many years ago that it is the way to heartache. They play well or dreadfully, apparently at random.
@Chester-Draws be good not to give up points so early again too.
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.
Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?
You clearly didn't pay any attention to Taylor or Sami' in the last two games (or in all the games last year for that matter). I can therefore only conclude you aren't you aren't a true rugby man.
Mate, I only trying to work out why he not there, and I thinking only reason is there maybe concern with some part of his game?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Chester-Draws be good not to give up points so early again too.
Amen, would make for a little more relaxed viewing without giving a team as good as them a 7 point start.
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
NZ TAB odds:
NZ $1.25
IRE $4.00
Draw $21.009 point spread.
Well there seems to be a few people on TSF picking the AB's to lose
Time for them to make same easy money. Bet big on Ireland. Post receipts.
I'm more interested in seeing receipts from those people who think $1.25 is worth the risk.
@taniwharugby Yes. The ABs need to show intent and start strongly for once in this series.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 we gave up points early in the 1st test too didn't we?
The two starts were carbon copies almost
