RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland

@nostrildamus Not to labour the point, in 2007, NZ were the form team coming into the tournament and romped through the pool games. It was only under the blowtorch pressure of the QF that the systems that had looked so good fell apart.

Scotland tried to put the Irish under pressure last night. Irish shut them down because so much goes through Finn Russell and Kinghorn got injured early. Ireland coughed up penalties in the first 20 mins and Scotland did not take the points when offered. Irish defence was v good, but I would expect NZ to take the points and trust their systems to get them back down into the red zone.

@nzzp Hmmmm. Guess it would depend on how the game played out. There’s losing …and there’s losing. But yeah. Difference between getting a statue or not. Jeeez, that’s a good line for an AB to use this week.

@game_film I honestly would be surprised if Ireland won 13+, or NZ won 13+. So much uncertainty.

The All Blacks don't win this game if it is an arm-wrestle. It doesn't suit us. We've got to back our expansive gameplan - will it look ugly if it doesn't work? Sure, but trying to beat Ireland at their own game is unlikely to work either.

In the same mode??
So this is the only possible time the ABs can win the RWC or the only possible time in the near future? Or maybe I just don't understand Ian Foster logic.

@nostrildamus guess plenty are at the end of thier time in this team, so this is thier time too?

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus guess plenty are at the end of thier time in this team, so this is thier time too?

if that is what he meant, but how many of the oldtimers have won an RWC gold medal or two? Probably quite a few!

@nostrildamus who is left from 2015? Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Taylor, Coles, BB, SB?

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@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

The fucking carry on after every little thing that goes their way

You mean doesn’t go their way right? Curiously does Hawkes Bay have a large Irish heritage?

Whadda ya talking about? Everything's going our way. We've got the shield (well, we're letting Wellington repair it for us over summer), we're the best at shield partying, we won the battle of the bays and knocked Of Plenty out of the finals on the same day.

@Stargazer said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Swap Havili for Kirifi and send him out on a mission.

Yep, call him up before this weekend's NPC semifinal. :grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
Just to let him hold the tackle pads though.

Not sure if I endorse that, I'm relying on him giving away dumb penalties.

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus who is left from 2015? Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Taylor, Coles, BB, SB?

@frugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

The All Blacks don't win this game if it is an arm-wrestle. It doesn't suit us. We've got to back our expansive gameplan - will it look ugly if it doesn't work? Sure, but trying to beat Ireland at their own game is unlikely to work either.

in a boxing analogy , we are the dangerous fighter with the fast powerful explosive hands, but with a few more technical flaws ,

And they are the more rounded technically correct boxer ,

Yeah trying to outbox them is probably not going to work .

@kiwiinmelb said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

The All Blacks don't win this game if it is an arm-wrestle. It doesn't suit us. We've got to back our expansive gameplan - will it look ugly if it doesn't work? Sure, but trying to beat Ireland at their own game is unlikely to work either.

in a boxing analogy , we are the dangerous boxer with the fast explosive hands with a few more technical flaws ,

And they are the more rounded technically correct fighter,

Yeah trying to outbox them is probably not going to work .

We’re Earnie Shavers, they’re Larry Holmes.

Lots of chest thumping here.

I fucking love it!

Ok Foster you Jabba looking, KFC munching cnut, I'll put aside the last 4 years and pledge my unquestioning allegiance to the cause. You don't deserve it, but fark me if I won't offer you my privates if you achieve the impossible.

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:

Friz, Paps, Ardie

I think that’s what they’ll pick. Finish the game with Cane subbing on for Papali’i & Barrett at 6

That makes no sense to me. It's like 2019 all over again. Cane doesn't offer much coming on as an impact forward whereas Paps will.

Cane on first to blunt the Irish attack, Paps comes on fresh when the game is hopefully opening up.

@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

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Foster: “They've got a group of players … this is probably their moment. If they’re ever going to win a World Cup, they’ll probably feel like it’s now, and as a team we’re kinda in the same mode. So it’s pretty exciting.”

In the same mode??
So this is the only possible time the ABs can win the RWC or the only possible time in the near future? Or maybe I just don't understand Ian Foster logic.

The issue here is your over-analysing a coach's comment in the media. If we take our Fozzy bashing glasses off for a minute, he's basically saying we are in the mode of winning the World Cup.

Of this squad, most of these players have either never won it or won't be there in 2027, so I don't think that for this team, it is that unreasonable.

Foz ramping up the pressure on Ireland. Good.

The problem is neither Paps or Cane are great from the bench. Both are better starters.

Anyone expecting Paps to start over Cane is absolutely deluded

Ireland's defence is incredible.

8 points conceded vs Boks. nothing conceded vs Scotland until the contest was over.

I'd have Mo'unga and Beauden practicing drop goals all week.

Let's George Ford them.

Keep the scoreboard ticking over.

@KiwiMurph said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Ireland's defence is incredible.

8 points conceded vs Boks. nothing conceded vs Scotland until the contest was over.

I'd have Mo'unga and Beauden practicing drop goals all week.

Let's George Ford them.

Keep the scoreboard ticking over.

it's good, but the Bok numbers are misleading, they left heaps of points out there

@KiwiMurph said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Keep the scoreboard ticking over.

See, it’s with cliches like this that we are destined to win.

We will only keep the scoreboard ticking over if we play what’s in front of us…

@ACT-Crusader dont want it to be a game of 2 halves, unless Ireland are good in the 1st and we are gooder in the 2nd...

Also missed full credit, do they still have ladies in the kitchen?

lets just hope the ladies in the kitchen are good to us this world cup

@mariner4life true, probably not been helping since Suzie left the fishcakes on the windowsill over night!

@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus who is left from 2015? Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Taylor, Coles, BB, SB?

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not sure what is currently happening with Moody but good guesses!
Cane of course, and JB. I count 9.

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Just one.

No SB or JB in 2015.

Just Coles, Taylor, Whitelock, Retallick, Cane, Smith, B. Barrett

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader dont want it to be a game of 2 halves, unless Ireland are good in the 1st and we are gooder in the 2nd...

Also missed full credit, do they still have ladies in the kitchen?

Yeah definitely. Yeah nah

Need to play the full 80 minutes, but also important to score first, as well as just before and after half-time

I'd also have a good think about winning the collisions and being solid at set-piece

@voodoo said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Need to play the full 80 minutes, but also important to score first, as well as just before and after half-time

I'd also have a good think about winning the collisions and being solid at set-piece

Really we just need no more learnings cos we've learnt them already

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus who is left from 2015? Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Taylor, Coles, BB, SB?

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not sure what is currently happening with Moody but good guesses!
Cane of course, and JB. I count 9.

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Just one.

No SB or JB in 2015.

Just Coles, Taylor, Whitelock, Retallick, Cane, Smith, B. Barrett

Eh? You're right. I seem to have lost the ability to read. Learnings from the Fern, I guess.

ABs have had so many "learnings" you'd expect a 30-point victory! I know I harp on but it is the exits from the 22 that are going to be crucial. Last night in the Japan and Argies game, it was on the edge for both teams until a "BB-like shit kick" by Japan led to an Argie try and swung the momentum of the game. I will die a little on the inside when (not if...it is every game these days) this happens in the QF.

@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:

@sparky said in All Blacks 2023:

The most important position in a Rugby team is Tighthead Prop. The second most important position in a Rugby team is backup Tighthead Prop. Losing Tyrell Lomax for a World Cup knockout would be a massive blow for the All Blacks.

Foster calls BS. Winger and reserve winger are the two seven most important positions

FIFY

@Old-Samurai-Jack maybe thats the problem, too many learnings and the messages getting confused.

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

Anyone expecting Paps to start over Cane is absolutely deluded

Leave a certain Blues superfan alone!

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

Anyone expecting Paps to start over Cane is absolutely deluded

Leave a certain Blues superfan alone!

I did say "expects" not "wants" - surely even Tim isn't expecting Foster to make that change!

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

Anyone expecting Paps to start over Cane is absolutely deluded

It's the same selection as the last time the top side was selected

I think that's only likely if they believe Sam is still short a run.

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

I actually this has enormous merit. Bringing the super experienced Sam's on to finish when the whips are cracking.

Exactly

Every good performance in the last few years has been us having a good burst in the first half. We are decent front runners

When the game gets into an arm wrestle? This side has been abysmal. It's about mitigating that by picking bench players than can close out a match.

Whitelock v Retallick is a close call but they've settled on Whitelock being a finisher for the same reason

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

Anyone expecting Paps to start over Cane is absolutely deluded

It's the same selection as the last time the top side was selected

No, they picked Cane initially and he got hurt just prior - edit - sorry, you're talking Italy not France? Not 100% then.

@KiwiMurph said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Beauden practicing drop goals all week.

BB's default these days is to kick so I think he'd be quite good at this. Although, he might be dumb enough to try them from out 22.