All Blacks 2024

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

Interesting Read gives a bit of an insight in to Razor's approach to the AB coaching role.

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That is tantalising, having read that I feel like there is great hope for the future

I'm totally on board with Razor but I felt that article told me a whole bunch of nothing (which is fine - there isn't much to tell at this stage).

problem is the campaign run forhim/by him for the last 4 year meaning theres nothing new to know

I am completely on board with Razor ( as I am with all AB coaches), but have to agree looked very much like that was an Eddie Jones type thing last night. I am here now and it's going to be about me?
I do say probably wasn't what it was about at all, but something that struck me when Mrs said to me doesn't it sound like he is making it all about himself? Just could well of been how it was editted or questions were asked by Sumo.

TV1 broadcasts a special segment on "Sunday" about Scott Robertson.

Typical GOM Fern: it was too much about Scott Robertson.

Razor came off well in the video I thought.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

Razor came off well in the video I thought.

it got me excited again

not sure we needed the comparison to the AB's fortunes but thats on TVNZ rather than razor so yeah, think he came across well

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

Razor came off well in the video I thought.

I can see how players like to play for him , hopefully it works at the next level

@Stargazer yep mate as I said it was also maybe how questions were answered etc, and to be fair as you say it was program about him, and perhaps I just not overly keen on programs on coaches before they startedjob? Could be good as got us thinking rugby.

The temptation for a new coach is to miss lessons learned (not gonna use the other stupid word) during the previous tenure in the rush to stamp their own mark. If he's taking the time to debrief the senior players that is a good sign to me

@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

The temptation for a new coach is to miss lessons learned (not gonna use the other stupid word) during the previous tenure in the rush to stamp their own mark. If he's taking the time to debrief the senior players that is a good sign to me

im sure its been done before. i would be more surprised if they didnt

A bit of a fluff piece, but he spoke really well. And really hit on some points - gotta embrace modern sports engagement, you’re a public figure and you will be judged. Also ‘there’s a percentage against your name’. Stuff that has not been talked about previously, but really needs to be (trying not to Foster moan!)

@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

The temptation for a new coach is to miss lessons learned (not gonna use the other stupid word)

Learnings lessened? (Was trying to type lessoned but autocorrect came up with something more apt.

@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

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Strange is one of two locks with the size for test footy. The other being Parkinson. And the other is Sam Darry ...

@booboo Scott Barrett is 1.97cm tall and goes just fine at test footy. There are more out there than those 3.

@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

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Strange is one of two locks with the size for test footy. The other being Parkinson. And the other is Sam Darry ...

Too beanpolish.

@MN5

Most young locks lack the size, I’m sure it will come eventually and once they are under the supervision of Nic Gill and being prepared for test rugby and not just NPC/super rugby.

@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

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Strange is one of two locks with the size for test footy. The other being Parkinson. And the other is Sam Darry ...

Not sure it needs explaining... am not commenting on the relative abilities just noting that of the two who have the size the three are ...

Maybe I missed y'all's subtlety...

@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

TV1 broadcasts a special segment on "Sunday" about Scott Robertson.

Typical GOM Fern: it was too much about Scott Robertson.

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One person criticises something about a segment that aired.

Typical GOM definitely not one of the most ardent Crusaders fans: Typical whole TSF.

There's certainly a lot of hype and excitement around Robertson.

On the other hand, it's understandable given his record.

I'd follow this man through fire.

"At test level it is different. Having been at the World Cup, they are bigger bodies, there are more small moments that have big margins on them,'' Robertson noted.

"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.

As long as no one raises interminable Razor arguments - I'm quite happy to actually wait until he selects and plays his first team.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

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I'm a fan of reading statements like this:
"At test level it is different. Having been at the World Cup, they are bigger bodies, there are more small moments that have big margins on them,'' Robertson noted.

"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

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I'm a fan of reading statements like this:
"At test level it is different. Having been at the World Cup, they are bigger bodies, there are more small moments that have big margins on them,'' Robertson noted.

"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.

You just bolded all the weaknesses from the last tenure, and the things that stopped us winning the final. Fix that without sacrificing quality game breaking players to do it, and we are well on our way

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.

So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Cane

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.

So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Cane

He'll just ask them all to refocus. Weren't most of us lamenting our inability to close out games, to exit, our defensive discipline, and the number of YCs we conceded long before and throughout the RWC?

We'll have to wait and see if the discipline improves. The days of BOK and his ilk refereeing are over, and we've seen that the NH refs are totally different to what NZ/Aust refs focus on in SR.

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.

So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Cane

discipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.

TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.

@Nepia yeah, definitely more worried about scooter

@Nepia our defence improved quite alot last year.

Our goal line defence had always been pretty good under McLeod but when it came to defending depth, we really struggled.

But our discipline remained poor last year.

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

But our discipline remained poor last year.

And it's interesting to see him calling that out specifically, because his crusaders teams trod all over the refs, so hopefully he realises that won't fly at test level.

Interesting to listen to Razor on Newstalk ZB about how the coaching team will focus on players during Super Rugby

Leon will focus on outside backs, Holland midfield, Scott Hansen halves, Razor loosies and Jase Ryan tight 5.

@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.

So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Cane

discipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.

TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.

Defence is not just about stopping tries, it's about stopping points. They won, and indeed we conceded the most ever points by an AB team this year. So yes, defence is a major concern

@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.

So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Cane

discipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.

TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.

Um, our locking stocks are shaky as it is.

TBF, is our defence that bad

It is if the opposition can get cards and penalties from it.

@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby

NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:

Interesting to listen to Razor on Newstalk ZB about how the coaching team will focus on players during Super Rugby

Leon will focus on outside backs, Holland midfield, Scott Hansen halves, Razor loosies and Jase Ryan tight 5.

Depends on what is meant by focus. Watching players is one thing (what every coaching setup does), working with SR coaching teams is another. I hope it's the latter and NZR can facilitate if needed, but as someone up the thread said, if SR coaches don't play ball, Robertson and co can't complain.