I am completely on board with Razor ( as I am with all AB coaches), but have to agree looked very much like that was an Eddie Jones type thing last night. I am here now and it's going to be about me?
I do say probably wasn't what it was about at all, but something that struck me when Mrs said to me doesn't it sound like he is making it all about himself? Just could well of been how it was editted or questions were asked by Sumo.
TV1 broadcasts a special segment on "Sunday" about Scott Robertson.
Typical GOM Fern: it was too much about Scott Robertson.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Razor came off well in the video I thought.
it got me excited again
not sure we needed the comparison to the AB's fortunes but thats on TVNZ rather than razor so yeah, think he came across well
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Razor came off well in the video I thought.
I can see how players like to play for him , hopefully it works at the next level
@Stargazer yep mate as I said it was also maybe how questions were answered etc, and to be fair as you say it was program about him, and perhaps I just not overly keen on programs on coaches before they startedjob? Could be good as got us thinking rugby.
The temptation for a new coach is to miss lessons learned (not gonna use the other stupid word) during the previous tenure in the rush to stamp their own mark. If he's taking the time to debrief the senior players that is a good sign to me
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
The temptation for a new coach is to miss lessons learned (not gonna use the other stupid word) during the previous tenure in the rush to stamp their own mark. If he's taking the time to debrief the senior players that is a good sign to me
im sure its been done before. i would be more surprised if they didnt
A bit of a fluff piece, but he spoke really well. And really hit on some points - gotta embrace modern sports engagement, you’re a public figure and you will be judged. Also ‘there’s a percentage against your name’. Stuff that has not been talked about previously, but really needs to be (trying not to Foster moan!)
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
The temptation for a new coach is to miss lessons learned (not gonna use the other stupid word)
Learnings lessened? (Was trying to type lessoned but autocorrect came up with something more apt.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Strange is one of two locks with the size for test footy. The other being Parkinson. And the other is Sam Darry ...
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Strange is one of two locks with the size for test footy. The other being Parkinson. And the other is Sam Darry ...
Too beanpolish.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Strange is one of two locks with the size for test footy. The other being Parkinson. And the other is Sam Darry ...
Not sure it needs explaining... am not commenting on the relative abilities just noting that of the two who have the size the three are ...
Maybe I missed y'all's subtlety...
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
TV1 broadcasts a special segment on "Sunday" about Scott Robertson.
Typical GOM Fern: it was too much about Scott Robertson.
One person criticises something about a segment that aired.
Typical GOM definitely not one of the most ardent Crusaders fans: Typical whole TSF.
There's certainly a lot of hype and excitement around Robertson.
On the other hand, it's understandable given his record.
"At test level it is different. Having been at the World Cup, they are bigger bodies, there are more small moments that have big margins on them,'' Robertson noted.
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
As long as no one raises interminable Razor arguments - I'm quite happy to actually wait until he selects and plays his first team.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
I'm a fan of reading statements like this:
"At test level it is different. Having been at the World Cup, they are bigger bodies, there are more small moments that have big margins on them,'' Robertson noted.
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
I'm a fan of reading statements like this:
"At test level it is different. Having been at the World Cup, they are bigger bodies, there are more small moments that have big margins on them,'' Robertson noted."The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
You just bolded all the weaknesses from the last tenure, and the things that stopped us winning the final. Fix that without sacrificing quality game breaking players to do it, and we are well on our way
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Cane
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Cane
He'll just ask them all to refocus. Weren't most of us lamenting our inability to close out games, to exit, our defensive discipline, and the number of YCs we conceded long before and throughout the RWC?
We'll have to wait and see if the discipline improves. The days of BOK and his ilk refereeing are over, and we've seen that the NH refs are totally different to what NZ/Aust refs focus on in SR.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Cane
discipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.
TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
But our discipline remained poor last year.
And it's interesting to see him calling that out specifically, because his crusaders teams trod all over the refs, so hopefully he realises that won't fly at test level.
Interesting to listen to Razor on Newstalk ZB about how the coaching team will focus on players during Super Rugby
Leon will focus on outside backs, Holland midfield, Scott Hansen halves, Razor loosies and Jase Ryan tight 5.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Canediscipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.
TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.
Defence is not just about stopping tries, it's about stopping points. They won, and indeed we conceded the most ever points by an AB team this year. So yes, defence is a major concern
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Canediscipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.
TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.
Um, our locking stocks are shaky as it is.
TBF, is our defence that bad
It is if the opposition can get cards and penalties from it.
@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby 
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan 
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Interesting to listen to Razor on Newstalk ZB about how the coaching team will focus on players during Super Rugby
Leon will focus on outside backs, Holland midfield, Scott Hansen halves, Razor loosies and Jase Ryan tight 5.
Depends on what is meant by focus. Watching players is one thing (what every coaching setup does), working with SR coaching teams is another. I hope it's the latter and NZR can facilitate if needed, but as someone up the thread said, if SR coaches don't play ball, Robertson and co can't complain.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
I don't think innovation can be all down to Robertson - needs to be an effort across the piece. From what I read of Carwyn James, his style & thinking was pretty much established in Wales before he took over the Lions coaching role. (And amazing to think that James - arguably the greatest coach of them all - never coached Wales).
@antipodean Imagine the shock if the bolded text actually means that Razor:
(i) isn't giving the number 15 jersey to Will Jordan but instead plans to give it to Shaun Stevenson or Zarn Sullivan;
(ii) those that got Yellow and Red cards in the RWC have disqualified themselves from consideration for captaincy;
(iii) Rieko in the number 13 jersey is not a done deal;
(iv) A goalkicker with a 90-95% success rate is on the shopping list (even if he doesn't have the razzle dazzle)
