There is no 'correct' answer.. its a preference. Personally T20's and ODIs are as interesting as each other right now. I'm sure there some people that love T20s and get bored by Tests
For me I thinks it's because the balance has shifted too far away from the bowlers. That removes a lot of tension.. easy 6's gets boring in 20 overs and 50
@Duluth said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
There is no 'correct' answer.. its a preference. Personally T20's and ODIs are as interesting as each other right now. I'm sure there some people that love T20s and get bored by Tests
> For me I thinks it's because the balance has shifted too far away from the bowlers. That removes a lot of tension.. easy 6's gets boring in 20 overs and 50
Yeah very much. The bowler with the ‘least shit’ run rate is lauded as doing well and I can’t stand mishits with modern bats in small grounds going for six. Back in the day hitters like Viv Richards, Beefy and our very own Lance Cairns had to fight so much more to earn the half dozens.
A six should still be a ‘sit up and take notice’ moment but they get monotonous when there are lots of them
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I can’t stand mishits with modern bats in small grounds going for six
I'll die on that hill with you.
The moment a few years agon against SA when a spinner induced a shit top edge at Hamilton and it sailed over the fielder on the boundary was super frustrating.
Golf reigned in club technology because the courses started playing too short. Cricket could consider something similar very easily
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
he 2029 one just heartbreaking.
Should have posted a spoiler alert
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
he 2029 one just heartbreaking.
Should have posted a spoiler alert
Yeah I can see into the future. They'll really need to keep an eye on Ben Stokes and I hope that stupid boundary law gets tidied up.
Chapman loves Pakistan. Shame he can't play like this against everyone else. He looks so good when he's batting well too.
I know it’s Eden Park with postage stamp boundaries, but our bowling is trash!
Too many freebie half volleys or half trackers
I repeat, trash.
Pakistan have this wrapped up with 6 overs to go, run rate required down to a run a ball, 9 wickets in hand.
Pretty tough day for both the men and the women. Both would have probably felt like they had a total that was defendable at the break, but both were probably 50+ runs short.
Thank the lord Jamieson won't play in the remainder of the T20 series. He should never have been picked to play International T20 matches in the first place. He is a Test Match & ODI bowler.
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Thank the lord Jamieson won't play in the remainder of the T20 series. He should never have been picked to play International T20 matches in the first place. He is a Test Match & ODI bowler.
Are you talking about the player who has figure of 3/8 off 4 overs in his previous game.
Sure he had a shitter at Eden Park every bowler did, with short boundaries that create 6 and 4s from miss hits, hard on all bowlers at that ground.
I am not writing off Jamieson in 20/20s he moves the ball both ways has height so generates awkward bounce and can hit a decent length
220/6 off our 20. Weird innings, got totally bogged down through the 10-16 over mark. Not sure if that's good bowling, or Allen and Seifert playing well. Feels like we're either about 30 ahead of par or 30 behind.
@Chris said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Thank the lord Jamieson won't play in the remainder of the T20 series. He should never have been picked to play International T20 matches in the first place. He is a Test Match & ODI bowler.
Are you talking about the player who has figure of 3/8 off 4 overs in his previous game.
Sure he had a shitter at Eden Park every bowler did, with short boundaries that create 6 and 4s from miss hits, hard on all bowlers at that ground.
I am not writing off Jamieson in 20/20s he moves the ball both ways has height so generates awkward bounce and can hit a decent length
I just want him to stay fit for the longest format.
Jamieson, O’Rourke and Henry ( can’t believe I’m saying this but his improvement has been immense ) at their best are as good as any pace trio in the game
@Chris said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Thank the lord Jamieson won't play in the remainder of the T20 series. He should never have been picked to play International T20 matches in the first place. He is a Test Match & ODI bowler.
Are you talking about the player who has figure of 3/8 off 4 overs in his previous game.
Sure he had a shitter at Eden Park every bowler did, with short boundaries that create 6 and 4s from miss hits, hard on all bowlers at that ground.
I am not writing off Jamieson in 20/20s he moves the ball both ways has height so generates awkward bounce and can hit a decent length
He is injury prone as it is I just don't believe we should risk playing him in this hit and giggle garbage. Save him for the longer formats.
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Chris said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Thank the lord Jamieson won't play in the remainder of the T20 series. He should never have been picked to play International T20 matches in the first place. He is a Test Match & ODI bowler.
Are you talking about the player who has figure of 3/8 off 4 overs in his previous game.
Sure he had a shitter at Eden Park every bowler did, with short boundaries that create 6 and 4s from miss hits, hard on all bowlers at that ground.
I am not writing off Jamieson in 20/20s he moves the ball both ways has height so generates awkward bounce and can hit a decent lengthI just want him to stay fit for the longest format.
Jamieson, O’Rourke and Henry ( can’t believe I’m saying this but his improvement has been immense ) at their best are as good as any pace trio in the game
Yep totally agree it is an exciting trio if they stay fit they could win us a lot of games,
They have everything as a combo
Pace, bounce move the ball both ways.
Fingers crossed they all get on the park together consistently.
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Chris said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Thank the lord Jamieson won't play in the remainder of the T20 series. He should never have been picked to play International T20 matches in the first place. He is a Test Match & ODI bowler.
Are you talking about the player who has figure of 3/8 off 4 overs in his previous game.
Sure he had a shitter at Eden Park every bowler did, with short boundaries that create 6 and 4s from miss hits, hard on all bowlers at that ground.
I am not writing off Jamieson in 20/20s he moves the ball both ways has height so generates awkward bounce and can hit a decent lengthHe is injury prone as it is I just don't believe we should risk playing him in this hit and giggle garbage. Save him for the longer formats.
Nah don’t agree he learns a lot playing 20/20
good way to build up just 4 overs at a time,
Builds a strength base for that back.
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
220/6 off our 20. Weird innings, got totally bogged down through the 10-16 over mark. Not sure if that's good bowling, or Allen and Seifert playing well. Feels like we're either about 30 ahead of par or 30 behind.
Good win in the end, so I guess we were well ahead of par although I think some of that was scoreboard pressure.
Silly to give MOTM to Allen. It's a batsmen's game, multiple of our batsmen scored similar runs, the difference between the two sides is 4/20 from 4 overs. Those figures will win you most T20s and those early wickets ended Pakistan's chase before it started. Allen said in the interview he didn't deserve it.
That said, there are not many players as exciting as Allen to watch when he gets going like that.
Another T20 starting now
Pakistan: Salman Ali Agha (c), Mohammad Haris (wk), Hasan Nawaz, Omair Bin Yousuf, Usman Khan, Shadab Khan, Abdul Samad, Jahandad Khan, Haris Rauf, Sufyan Moqim, Mohammad Ali
New Zealand: Tim Seifert, Finn Allen, Mark Chapman, Daryl Mitchell, Jimmy Neesham, Mitch Hay (wk), Michael Bracewell (c), Ish Sodhi, Jacob Duffy, Ben Sears, Will O'Rourke
@Duluth said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Another T20 starting now
another piece of pie sir?
Sure, why not. I'm not enjoying it like the first one, but I'll gag it down like a <insert comparison here>
Not unexpectedly I can report it has been raining rather heavily in Napier for about the last half hour. Checks cricket schedule, ah yes Pakis v Black Caps scheduled for McLean Park on Saturday so that explains the rain.
@Higgins said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Not unexpectedly I can report it has been raining rather heavily in Napier for about the last half hour. Checks cricket schedule, ah yes Pakis v Black Caps scheduled for McLean Park on Saturday so that explains the rain.
An ODI will be more fun to watch than T20.
Not sure the results will be any different though
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Higgins said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Not unexpectedly I can report it has been raining rather heavily in Napier for about the last half hour. Checks cricket schedule, ah yes Pakis v Black Caps scheduled for McLean Park on Saturday so that explains the rain.
An ODI will be more fun to watch than T20.
Not sure the results will be any different though
Disappointing to have to swap out watching Tim Seifert and Finn Allen for Nick Kelly and Will Young though. The T20 openers have been a real highlights package.
@SouthernMann said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Higgins said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Not unexpectedly I can report it has been raining rather heavily in Napier for about the last half hour. Checks cricket schedule, ah yes Pakis v Black Caps scheduled for McLean Park on Saturday so that explains the rain.
An ODI will be more fun to watch than T20.
Not sure the results will be any different though
Disappointing to have to swap out watching Tim Seifert and Finn Allen for Nick Kelly and Will Young though. The T20 openers have been a real highlights package.
I had to google who that is.
Yeah the formats are getting more and more spread apart.
Some guys can play all three very well but fitting them all in can be the problem.
NZ will be batting first.
Of interest to me is two guys I've never heard of, Nick Kelly who I mentioned above and Muhammad Abbas.
Also Henry Nicholls has sneakily slotted in at three after some time in the wilderness.
I'm picking a couple of comfortable hidings ( despite what happened in Auckland ), I think this Pakistan team just want to go home.
Muhammad Abbas has had a little bit of 'next big thing' hype about him. He seems handy from the little bit of domestic T20 I've seen him play but probably a little too soon, although as you say, an ODI team against a pretty demoralised Pakistan team might be a good way to give him a little bit of international experience while the guys in front of him are off playing franchise cricket.
Going to be a tough day for the Pakistanis. No water or food all game. Send last day of Ramadan
We are a bowler short. That 11 looks like it will be asking way too much of Abbas's bowling.
Bit, I'm not too bothered. Good to get him a game. Just surprised at the 11.
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
We are a bowler short. That 11 looks like it will be asking way too much of Abbas's bowling.
Bit, I'm not too bothered. Good to get him a game. Just surprised at the 11.
Yeah I thought that too. Maybe the plan is to give Chapman and Mitchell a few overs?
