@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
I just wish Razor would make the hard calls
Mo’unga will be back. This seems to be the plan 
@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@cgrant said in England Vs All Blacks:
Is it the weakest AB side of the professional era ? I am tending to think so.
I don't think so.
I think the game plan and captaincy is very weak.Yes agreed, overall mentality is very weak.
The first 30 minutes should have seen us build a lead that England would have been unable to come back against.
But they went in st half time the happier team.
We are poor
Reminded me of how I felt in 99 SF and the 07 QF.
Even though we were winning at HT I never felt comfortable about us pressing on in those games or even today.
Whilst Roigard’s kicking game was largely good today, I thought the game management and option taking by him and BB were erratic and never settled.
Haven’t rad the stats yet, but it appears they our fatties didn’t run the ball anywhere near what we have seen this year. Where were the 3 man pods and then using the space on 2nd and 3rd phase.
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
Yes the officiating was terrible.
We still deserved to loseAgreed. We could have overcome. But you will never see a yellow card like that ever again in international rugby.
Did you see the Italy/SA game earlier. It made my eyes bleed
What yellow card are you referring to?
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
This cringe bullshit about the grand slam ending, when it wasn’t even a grand slam.
I hope we never, ever bill a tour of the Northern Hemisphere again as a "Grand Slam" tour. Utter hubris.
You call it a Grand Slam once it's earned
Greatest Rivalry tour ok? 
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
Yes the officiating was terrible.
We still deserved to loseAgreed. We could have overcome. But you will never see a yellow card like that ever again in international rugby.
Did you see the Italy/SA game earlier. It made my eyes bleed
What yellow card are you referring to?
The red card
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
If Beuaden was banged up early Surfing Jesus, why didn’t you hook him early? Fk me this guy doesn’t come across as the sharpest tool.
He was needed for experience
That would have made sense if you were developing new 10's. But this is a coach who looks out of his depth right now.
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
Haven't seen a TV yet.
What was the yellow for.
Why did Roigard go off
Playing the ball while on the ground. Penalty - yes. YC - no. Pretty harsh and the UK comms said as much, so it must be so.
@BerniesCorner The problem facing Razor, is he has been forced into making some tough calls, and we are still losing.
There is so much that needs to be changed, it might genuinely be easier to rip it up and start again. Jamie Joseph could walk-in and drop 10 players - it is much tougher for the incumbent to do that.
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
I just wish Razor would make the hard calls
Mo’unga will be back. This seems to be the plan
Sushi Jesus
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
I just wish Razor would make the hard calls
Robertson's like that ineffective supply teacher trying to be one of the boys and not realising he's creating chaos. He lacks the authority and ruthlessness that successful All Blacks coaches in the past have had.
It's time he was hooked.
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
Yes the officiating was terrible.
We still deserved to loseAgreed. We could have overcome. But you will never see a yellow card like that ever again in international rugby.
Did you see the Italy/SA game earlier. It made my eyes bleed
What yellow card are you referring to?
Taylor YC was a crap call.
England capitalised on their numerical advantage. NZ didn’t later when Earl went to the bin. And didn’t really look like it either.
@Canes4life She raises an interesting point around the lack of devastation
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Canes4life She raises an interesting point around the lack of devastation
Devastation from the players?
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Canes4life She raises an interesting point around the lack of devastation
That’s because Razor knows our media is weak so doesn’t have to answer any hard questions.
@hikastags said in England Vs All Blacks:
Apart from the obvious issues. Our forwards are bloody soft and go through the motions.
A couple times Roigard was ready to get the ball out quickly, but our forward pod had no urgency to get around and run it. Pre-2019 our forwards were fucking charging to run the ball.
Lakai was good today
It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......
@hikastags said in England Vs All Blacks:
Apart from the obvious issues. Our forwards are bloody soft and go through the motions.
A couple times Roigard was ready to get the ball out quickly, but our forward pod had no urgency to get around and run it. Pre-2019 our forwards were fucking charging to run the ball.
There was no punch from the bench forwards today either
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......
NZ media are complicit in the making of the current malaise
The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicks
@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
So will there be any changes next week now that we’ve lost this game?
Haha imagine if we lost to Wales!
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicks
I’d be happy with all of that.
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......
NZ media are complicit in the making of the current malaise
Crap! If we need the media to tell us what's wrong we got bigger problems. than I thought. The problem is in the team and coaching team is probably part of it.
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've all forgotten about getting fucked over by the officials because we were so shit.
Yes the officiating was terrible.
We still deserved to loseAgreed. We could have overcome. But you will never see a yellow card like that ever again in international rugby.
Did you see the Italy/SA game earlier. It made my eyes bleed
What yellow card are you referring to?
The red card
The red card that was a perfect example of when you should red card, that one? The one where a guy threw his shoulder into an attacking player minus the ball, with force and intent? The one with no intent to tackle?
That one?
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicks
I'd keep JB (once fit again) in the midfield and put Ruben Love at 15, but I agree with the rest.
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicksI'd keep JB (once fit again) in the midfield and put Ruben Love at 15, but I agree with the rest.
I really worry if we think LF at centre is an answer, I didn't think Proctor was bad, but more even on wing LF is pretty slow to turn etc in defence.
Apparently Robertson thought his team played "some really good rugby"
That's some bullshit right there.
@Dan54 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
It feels like someone wrote the headline before watching the match. The penalty count was 2:1 in New Zealand's favour......
NZ media are complicit in the making of the current malaise
Crap! If we need the media to tell us what's wrong we got bigger problems. than I thought. The problem is in the team and coaching team is probably part of it.
They are there to hold the coach and NZRU to account supposedly. Because they aren’t listening to Joe Public
@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
I would settle for the Foster era right now!
Before or after Schmidt? Careful
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
The obvious hard calls are:
BB retires,
Taylor becomes captain,
Roigard vice captain,
Jordan goes to wing,
I'd put JB at 15
QT, LF mid field,
DMac 10 and kicksI'd keep JB (once fit again) in the midfield and put Ruben Love at 15, but I agree with the rest.
No problem with that. QT deserves to be there somewhere
@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I think it’s difficult for Razor to get rid of the ill discipline within the All Blacks from the Foster era. We see it in the Chiefs & why they can’t win important games & it’s rares it head in the All Blacks
Yeah I struggle to see how Razor's failings can't be laid at the feet of foster and the players.
Razor didn't select these players and hasn't been allowed any coaching input until today.