@kidcalder maybe some guys arent responding to the different gameplan at training as well as they expected, hence why they havent had any time yet? Or maybe they had a plan, injuries excepted, on how they intended to use the squad, and some were likely to not get any minutes at all?
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@zinnyzinzin said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Landers92 ..so when do the players get told who is starting ? Has the whole team been named behind closed doors already ?
Players don't find out until same time as we do and spend the next 3 days just playing touch in random positions
spilt my coffee
@kidcalder said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I see Ardie Parker and Lakai but not sure jersey numbers-
Surely you go 6. Parker 7. Savea and 8. Lakai
@Jet said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan I'd take any mix of our tight five over Ireland's "famed" forwards.
Our tight 5 are bloody good right now - they'll give Rassie's lot a really hard time. It's 6/7/8 that needs work.
Hoping to see Darry come of age on the African tour.
Just interested in what are the criteria to 'come of age'?
@Kiwiwomble said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@brodean i feel out idea of a young player has changed a lot recently, i dont think in days gone past we'd talk about 25 year olds as needing to mature or "come of age", i think in the past we'd see guys in the mid 20's becoming regular starters as the norm
Yeah I'm curious because I feel like Darry was close to two MOTM performances in his last two tests so just wondering what the critiera is now days.
Also wondering if Darry is capable of producing 3 games in a row of that quality. Will there be a dip in form this weekend if he's picked?
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Just guessing. Is it possible Parker isn’t quite hitting that new 3 second metric yet?
I think that's what Rennie's comment from a couple of weeks ago was alluding to. If Parker still isn't meeting that target and it’s a standard Rennie expects from his players, then he needs to keep holding him accountable and leave him out of the selection.
@brodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Also wondering if Darry is capable of producing 3 games in a row of that quality. Will there be a dip in form this weekend if he's picked?
Might also depend on the quality of the opposition forwards..
@brodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Jet said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan I'd take any mix of our tight five over Ireland's "famed" forwards.
Our tight 5 are bloody good right now - they'll give Rassie's lot a really hard time. It's 6/7/8 that needs work.
Hoping to see Darry come of age on the African tour.
Just interested in what are the criteria to 'come of age'?
Throwing himself about away from home against the best pack in the world and finishing the tour feared as opposed to being just another lad filling the jersey.
@brodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Jet said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan I'd take any mix of our tight five over Ireland's "famed" forwards.
Our tight 5 are bloody good right now - they'll give Rassie's lot a really hard time. It's 6/7/8 that needs work.
Hoping to see Darry come of age on the African tour.
Just interested in what are the criteria to 'come of age'?
Isn’t it when he starts off as an awkward, overlooked teenager everyone ignores, then gets a makeover, changes his wardrobe, gains confidence and walks into school in slow motion as everyone realises he was beautiful all along?
@ShaquilleOatmeal Also think it is possible they have picked him in the knowledge of it, and want to work with him on it as they see upside.
Which to me would represent a refreshing use of people skills.
@Canes4life option that all 3 play No8 is all
@george33 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Jordie Barrett sitting out training today.
Yeah just on the radio eh
@SouthernMann Stuff report.
@kidcalder said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I could see if Jordi injured Tupaea and Reiko combo ALB on the bench
Rieko jumping ahead of both Proctor and Lienert-Brown?
@ARHS said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Isn't Tupaea and ALB a more logical combo. Maybe Rieko on the bench?
As far as being part of the squad longer yes.
Just personally I would like to see Tupaea - Reiko combo, ALB to the bench seen all we need from him
@kidcalder Personal preference, sure. But I'd be surprised if someone not initially selected in the squad and only now present as injury cover for the outside backs jumps ahead of two players, especially one who's only played 25 minutes. I think they should be playing Tupaea or Proctor as much as possible until they either prove they're up to the task or it becomes obvious they aren't.
Just don't think you can generate much attack with ALB in the team.
ABs were scoring a try every 9 minutes until Jordie was replaced by ALB then managed one in the last 25 minutes through the forwards.
He's ok if you are trying to close a game out from a winning position but I don't think he offers anything if you are behind.
@nonpartizan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
ABs were scoring a try every 9 minutes until Jordie was replaced by ALB then managed one in the last 25 minutes through the forwards.
So no other changes in either team in that period?
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nonpartizan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
ABs were scoring a try every 9 minutes until Jordie was replaced by ALB then managed one in the last 25 minutes through the forwards.
So no other changes in either team in that period?
Nah it was all Luke Jacobson's fault, we only led by 4 when he was on the field - won the game by an extra 26 once we got rid of him.
Should have the back line up tonight/tomorrow morning. Just waiting on confirmation on the last couple and how they pull up today.
@Landers92 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
For me, this is a preference, not oil. I want to see ST start at hooker with Aumua on the bench.
Codie has had a massive year as it is and father time is clearly catching up to him. Give Numia and Tosi the spots on the bench. Have them come on and show us what they can add against a solid Irish side. Sititi drops out of the 23 for me with Lakai coming straight back in at 6 and Segner on the bench.
What I did hear earlier today that is oil, is Rennie is not all too enthused with the halfback options in the country at the moment. Expect to see Ratima get another crack off the bench this weekend.
Yes, its time. taylor to offer the experience in the squad and a safety net if we need it. He wasn't great against Italy.
Our pack lacks ball runners and impact (although our props have made good progress in this area) and Aumua and Sami offer huge amounts of this. They are both in great form. Lets let them off the leash!
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I think they should be playing Tupaea or Proctor as much as possible until they either prove they're up to the task or it becomes obvious they aren't.
Proctor has already had two seasons.
One of the luckiest players in New Zealand to be starting in the ABs I'd say.
@Frank said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I think they should be playing Tupaea or Proctor as much as possible until they either prove they're up to the task or it becomes obvious they aren't.
Proctor has already had two seasons.
One of the luckiest players in New Zealand to be starting in the ABs I'd say.
As well as 14 other players.
@george33 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Jordie gone for scans on his hamstring apparently. Doesn't sound that good.
Wouldn't risk him myself if not 100.
Luckily we have the Super Rugby player of the year to step in if he's injured
Backline:
9 - Roigard
10 - Love
11 - Clarke
12 - Tupaea
13 - Proctor
14 - Jordan
15 - McKenzie
@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Backline:
9 - Roigard
10 - Love
11 - Clarke
12 - Tupaea
13 - Proctor
14 - Jordan
15 - McKenzie
Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...
@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Backline:
9 - Roigard
10 - Love
11 - Clarke
12 - Tupaea
13 - Proctor
14 - Jordan
15 - McKenzie
Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...
me too but i think @antipodean is probably correct
hoping QT's defensive issues are just because he was at 13...
@george33 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Jordie gone for scans on his hamstring apparently. Doesn't sound that good.
Wouldn't risk him myself if not 100.
Jordie was named to start so that will mean there will be a change from what was named yesterday. I’m assuming they won’t risk it and he will be out. No point risking with SA around the corner.
@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Backline:
9 - Roigard
10 - Love
11 - Clarke
12 - Tupaea
13 - Proctor
14 - Jordan
15 - McKenzie
Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...
I'd prefer Moorby too given his performance last week and Clarke's been carrying a niggle. If Clarke is 100% though, I'd like a power winger back in the side - he's been good at looking for work around rucks previously.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Beauden start at fullback either. He'd be one of the last backs not to get any time on the field prior to them assembling for South Africa.
