NC: All Blacks v Ireland

@brodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Jet said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Victor-Meldrew said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan I'd take any mix of our tight five over Ireland's "famed" forwards.

Our tight 5 are bloody good right now - they'll give Rassie's lot a really hard time. It's 6/7/8 that needs work.

Hoping to see Darry come of age on the African tour.

Just interested in what are the criteria to 'come of age'?

Throwing himself about away from home against the best pack in the world and finishing the tour feared as opposed to being just another lad filling the jersey.

@brodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Jet said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Victor-Meldrew said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan I'd take any mix of our tight five over Ireland's "famed" forwards.

Our tight 5 are bloody good right now - they'll give Rassie's lot a really hard time. It's 6/7/8 that needs work.

Hoping to see Darry come of age on the African tour.

Just interested in what are the criteria to 'come of age'?

Isn’t it when he starts off as an awkward, overlooked teenager everyone ignores, then gets a makeover, changes his wardrobe, gains confidence and walks into school in slow motion as everyone realises he was beautiful all along?

@ShaquilleOatmeal Also think it is possible they have picked him in the knowledge of it, and want to work with him on it as they see upside.

Which to me would represent a refreshing use of people skills.

@Canes4life option that all 3 play No8 is all

@frugby

Coaching isn't dead

Jordie Barrett sitting out training today.

@george33 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Jordie Barrett sitting out training today.

Yeah just on the radio eh

I could see if Jordi injured Tupaea and Reiko combo ALB on the bench

@SouthernMann Stuff report.

@kidcalder said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I could see if Jordi injured Tupaea and Reiko combo ALB on the bench

Rieko jumping ahead of both Proctor and Lienert-Brown?

Jordie should be fine for the weekend according to Blair.

@Mr-Fish Proctor has play 2 out 3 so could say he has had fair go.
ALB is suited to bench as covers 12 & 13 and would probably get 30 min so he has plenty minutes over the series.
This all depends on Jordis availability though

Isn't Tupaea and ALB a more logical combo. Maybe Rieko on the bench?

@ARHS said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Isn't Tupaea and ALB a more logical combo. Maybe Rieko on the bench?

As far as being part of the squad longer yes.
Just personally I would like to see Tupaea - Reiko combo, ALB to the bench seen all we need from him

@kidcalder Personal preference, sure. But I'd be surprised if someone not initially selected in the squad and only now present as injury cover for the outside backs jumps ahead of two players, especially one who's only played 25 minutes. I think they should be playing Tupaea or Proctor as much as possible until they either prove they're up to the task or it becomes obvious they aren't.

Just don't think you can generate much attack with ALB in the team.

ABs were scoring a try every 9 minutes until Jordie was replaced by ALB then managed one in the last 25 minutes through the forwards.

He's ok if you are trying to close a game out from a winning position but I don't think he offers anything if you are behind.

@nonpartizan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

ABs were scoring a try every 9 minutes until Jordie was replaced by ALB then managed one in the last 25 minutes through the forwards.

So no other changes in either team in that period?

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nonpartizan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

ABs were scoring a try every 9 minutes until Jordie was replaced by ALB then managed one in the last 25 minutes through the forwards.

So no other changes in either team in that period?

Nah it was all Luke Jacobson's fault, we only led by 4 when he was on the field - won the game by an extra 26 once we got rid of him.

@Bones That explains the last few years

Should have the back line up tonight/tomorrow morning. Just waiting on confirmation on the last couple and how they pull up today.

@Landers92 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

For me, this is a preference, not oil. I want to see ST start at hooker with Aumua on the bench.

Codie has had a massive year as it is and father time is clearly catching up to him. Give Numia and Tosi the spots on the bench. Have them come on and show us what they can add against a solid Irish side. Sititi drops out of the 23 for me with Lakai coming straight back in at 6 and Segner on the bench.

What I did hear earlier today that is oil, is Rennie is not all too enthused with the halfback options in the country at the moment. Expect to see Ratima get another crack off the bench this weekend.

Yes, its time. taylor to offer the experience in the squad and a safety net if we need it. He wasn't great against Italy.

Our pack lacks ball runners and impact (although our props have made good progress in this area) and Aumua and Sami offer huge amounts of this. They are both in great form. Lets let them off the leash!

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I think they should be playing Tupaea or Proctor as much as possible until they either prove they're up to the task or it becomes obvious they aren't.

Proctor has already had two seasons.

One of the luckiest players in New Zealand to be starting in the ABs I'd say.

Jordie gone for scans on his hamstring apparently. Doesn't sound that good.
Wouldn't risk him myself if not 100.

@Frank said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I think they should be playing Tupaea or Proctor as much as possible until they either prove they're up to the task or it becomes obvious they aren't.

Proctor has already had two seasons.

One of the luckiest players in New Zealand to be starting in the ABs I'd say.

As well as 14 other players.

@george33 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Jordie gone for scans on his hamstring apparently. Doesn't sound that good.
Wouldn't risk him myself if not 100.

Luckily we have the Super Rugby player of the year to step in if he's injured

Backline:

9 - Roigard

10 - Love

11 - Clarke

12 - Tupaea

13 - Proctor

14 - Jordan

15 - McKenzie

Sorry for Jordi if out injured but would look forward to seeing Tuapea having a shot playing at 12
I have said I would like Reiko to partner him although likely will be ALB ... still would prefer Reiko to geta look at that partnership

@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Backline:

9 - Roigard

10 - Love

11 - Clarke

12 - Tupaea

13 - Proctor

14 - Jordan

15 - McKenzie

Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...

@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Backline:

9 - Roigard

10 - Love

11 - Clarke

12 - Tupaea

13 - Proctor

14 - Jordan

15 - McKenzie

Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...

me too but i think @antipodean is probably correct

hoping QT's defensive issues are just because he was at 13...

@george33 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Jordie gone for scans on his hamstring apparently. Doesn't sound that good.
Wouldn't risk him myself if not 100.

Jordie was named to start so that will mean there will be a change from what was named yesterday. I’m assuming they won’t risk it and he will be out. No point risking with SA around the corner.

@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Backline:

9 - Roigard

10 - Love

11 - Clarke

12 - Tupaea

13 - Proctor

14 - Jordan

15 - McKenzie

Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...

I'd prefer Moorby too given his performance last week and Clarke's been carrying a niggle. If Clarke is 100% though, I'd like a power winger back in the side - he's been good at looking for work around rucks previously.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Beauden start at fullback either. He'd be one of the last backs not to get any time on the field prior to them assembling for South Africa.

@brodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Just interested in what are the criteria to 'come of age'?

when you start giving the opposition something to think about

@Kiwiwomble said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Backline:

9 - Roigard

10 - Love

11 - Clarke

12 - Tupaea

13 - Proctor

14 - Jordan

15 - McKenzie

Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...

me too but i think @antipodean is probably correct

hoping QT's defensive issues are just because he was at 13...

QT is a far better defender at 12. It's his natural role and he's in form. JB playing the house down and being in the leadership group is the only reason QT isn't starting every week.

I'd also agree on Moorby. I like Clarke but he needs to show he can adapt to the new style.

@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Backline:

9 - Roigard

10 - Love

11 - Clarke

12 - Tupaea

13 - Proctor

14 - Jordan

15 - McKenzie

Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...

I'd prefer Moorby too given his performance last week and Clarke's been carrying a niggle. If Clarke is 100% though, I'd like a power winger back in the side - he's been good at looking for work around rucks previously.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Beauden start at fullback either. He'd be one of the last backs not to get any time on the field prior to them assembling for South Africa.

I can see BB getting a run at 15, we need to look at being able to change things a bit.

@Dan54 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Backline:

9 - Roigard

10 - Love

11 - Clarke

12 - Tupaea

13 - Proctor

14 - Jordan

15 - McKenzie

Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...

I'd prefer Moorby too given his performance last week and Clarke's been carrying a niggle. If Clarke is 100% though, I'd like a power winger back in the side - he's been good at looking for work around rucks previously.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Beauden start at fullback either. He'd be one of the last backs not to get any time on the field prior to them assembling for South Africa.

I can see BB getting a run at 15, we need to look at being able to change things a bit.

By change things, do you mean kick the ball away aimlessly?

@Landers92 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Dan54 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Backline:

9 - Roigard

10 - Love

11 - Clarke

12 - Tupaea

13 - Proctor

14 - Jordan

15 - McKenzie

Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...

I'd prefer Moorby too given his performance last week and Clarke's been carrying a niggle. If Clarke is 100% though, I'd like a power winger back in the side - he's been good at looking for work around rucks previously.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Beauden start at fullback either. He'd be one of the last backs not to get any time on the field prior to them assembling for South Africa.

I can see BB getting a run at 15, we need to look at being able to change things a bit.

By change things, do you mean kick the ball away aimlessly?

I sincerely doubt Rennie would let that tactic fly, at least it wouldn't happen again after the first, we've moved on from the Cotter/Robertson gameplans.

One hopes so anyway. I think by the end of SA he'll know who can adapt to the new world and who needs to be told not to come Monday.

@Kiwiwomble let's give the slippery french backs a little bit of credit - yeah it wasn't pretty but I think 3 times he completely lost his footing going in for a tackle. Maybe just nerves, but it can be corrected anyway.

Beauden Barrett doesn’t have to play. Love needs as much time as possible at first five and there are other options there, McKenzie and Jordan are apparently the best two fullbacks in the world, Barrett’s two positions are covered by the starters so there’s no point having him on the bench and it’s not a primary school team where everyone has to get a go so they don’t get their feelings hurt.

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Kiwiwomble let's give the slippery french backs a little bit of credit - yeah it wasn't pretty but I think 3 times he completely lost his footing going in for a tackle. Maybe just nerves, but it can be corrected anyway.

i dont think i was particularly harsh on him and previously had said i would have given him another run to try and settle, if anythign i was alluding to the idea he should be much more comfortable

With BB it's not just the aimless chip kicks, it's exits in general - when was the last time you saw him send a ball from his 22 anywhere close to halfway? I don't want him at 15 any more than I want him at 10 - OK, that's not true, I'd be a little happier at 15...

But either way, I think DMac is a significantly better 15 than BB, and with Love and Jordan (I know, I know) there when the chosen one comes back, I really don't see a role for BB going forward.

Wonderful AB, but time beats everyone eventually. He can go to SA and play the . midweek games as his swansong