@Kiwiwomble let's give the slippery french backs a little bit of credit - yeah it wasn't pretty but I think 3 times he completely lost his footing going in for a tackle. Maybe just nerves, but it can be corrected anyway.
Beauden Barrett doesn’t have to play. Love needs as much time as possible at first five and there are other options there, McKenzie and Jordan are apparently the best two fullbacks in the world, Barrett’s two positions are covered by the starters so there’s no point having him on the bench and it’s not a primary school team where everyone has to get a go so they don’t get their feelings hurt.
@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Kiwiwomble let's give the slippery french backs a little bit of credit - yeah it wasn't pretty but I think 3 times he completely lost his footing going in for a tackle. Maybe just nerves, but it can be corrected anyway.
i dont think i was particularly harsh on him and previously had said i would have given him another run to try and settle, if anythign i was alluding to the idea he should be much more comfortable
With BB it's not just the aimless chip kicks, it's exits in general - when was the last time you saw him send a ball from his 22 anywhere close to halfway? I don't want him at 15 any more than I want him at 10 - OK, that's not true, I'd be a little happier at 15...
But either way, I think DMac is a significantly better 15 than BB, and with Love and Jordan (I know, I know) there when the chosen one comes back, I really don't see a role for BB going forward.
Wonderful AB, but time beats everyone eventually. He can go to SA and play the . midweek games as his swansong
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Beauden Barrett doesn’t have to play. Love needs as much time as possible at first five and there are other options there, McKenzie and Jordan are apparently the best two fullbacks in the world, Barrett’s two positions are covered by the starters so there’s no point having him on the bench and it’s not a primary school team where everyone has to get a go so they don’t get their feelings hurt.
Also, in the interests of building depth for the RWC he is a waste of an opportunity to look at someone else like Josh Moorby
9- Preston
10- DMac
11- Clarke
12- ALB
13- Ioane
14- Moorby
15- Barrett
Roigard, Love, Jordan
@ACT-Crusader Now I feel sick.
Roigard Love Jordan? Roigard might have made some passes but Jordan's not sharing with anybody.
@Landers92 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Dan54 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Backline:
9 - Roigard
10 - Love
11 - Clarke
12 - Tupaea
13 - Proctor
14 - Jordan
15 - McKenzie
Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...
I'd prefer Moorby too given his performance last week and Clarke's been carrying a niggle. If Clarke is 100% though, I'd like a power winger back in the side - he's been good at looking for work around rucks previously.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Beauden start at fullback either. He'd be one of the last backs not to get any time on the field prior to them assembling for South Africa.
I can see BB getting a run at 15, we need to look at being able to change things a bit.
By change things, do you mean kick the ball away aimlessly?
I not saying he should be in team or anything ( or even I would pick him), but wouldn't surprise me hugely if he did play is all.
I would actually be interested to see what would happen if he did, with a coaching group advocating the style these fellas seem to be.
I don't pretend to be expert enough to know what or how the coaching team is thinking.
@Dan54 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Landers92 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Dan54 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Backline:
9 - Roigard
10 - Love
11 - Clarke
12 - Tupaea
13 - Proctor
14 - Jordan
15 - McKenzie
Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...
I'd prefer Moorby too given his performance last week and Clarke's been carrying a niggle. If Clarke is 100% though, I'd like a power winger back in the side - he's been good at looking for work around rucks previously.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Beauden start at fullback either. He'd be one of the last backs not to get any time on the field prior to them assembling for South Africa.
I can see BB getting a run at 15, we need to look at being able to change things a bit.
By change things, do you mean kick the ball away aimlessly?
I don't pretend to be expert enough to know what or how the coaching team is thinking.
Don't stress Dan, we have you covered on this
@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
9- Preston
10- DMac
11- Clarke
12- ALB
13- Ioane
14- Moorby
15- BarrettRoigard, Love, Jordan
Could be worse
9 Ratima
10 BB
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Ioane
14 Jordan
15 DMac
Not that it really matters after 13 because there's 4 handbrakes before the wings and fullback.
@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
With BB it's not just the aimless chip kicks, it's exits in general - when was the last time you saw him send a ball from his 22 anywhere close to halfway? I don't want him at 15 any more than I want him at 10 - OK, that's not true, I'd be a little happier at 15...
This is a decent part of the reason our results are so much worse when BB plays without Roigard - if he has to do all the clearances we suffer (it's also a factor in Love's success to be fair).
The other part being that if neither the 9 or 10 are holding the defence, nobody else is getting any space. This is why even young Kemara would be a better 10 option for me.
At 15 it's a bit of a different story - his kicking is good enough (as long as he can be dissuaded from the chips and slightly-too-far uncontested bombs), his passing is fast enough, he is less contact-shy when he has more space, and he is still reasonably quick. Basically all of his problems at 10 are less important in that role. He's still well down the list for me, but I wouldn't have a problem with him getting a run there in case of injury.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Parker an interesting one. They clearly feel they need the archetype, but don't feel he is ready to go just yet. I wouldn't be surprised if he is again unused this week - but to me it makes it highly likely they want to get Frizell back involved.
The loose forwards remain the area I'm least sure about and they also seem to be the area the coaches are least sure about. What's the best combination? Are all the jobs being covered? Who plays where? How will a smaller trio fare against South Africa? And if Jacobson is out, we'll see yet another combination this weekend. That could give Parker an opportunity, either as a starter or off the bench.
I don't think we have the balance right as yet in our loose forward mix. I'm far from convinced by Ardie as captain - and player for that matter. LJ and Segner were far more effective hitting rucks, moving bodies and turning ball over...Ardie is planly in the twilight of his career, sure no-one doubts his commitment, but there are other more effective players and ball carriers.
Segner has been a revelation this season winning and contessting LOs, carrying strongly and turning over ball. I would like to see him at 7, LJ (If fit) at 6 and Lakai at 8..
@Jailbreak7 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Parker an interesting one. They clearly feel they need the archetype, but don't feel he is ready to go just yet. I wouldn't be surprised if he is again unused this week - but to me it makes it highly likely they want to get Frizell back involved.
The loose forwards remain the area I'm least sure about and they also seem to be the area the coaches are least sure about. What's the best combination? Are all the jobs being covered? Who plays where? How will a smaller trio fare against South Africa? And if Jacobson is out, we'll see yet another combination this weekend. That could give Parker an opportunity, either as a starter or off the bench.
I don't think we have the balance right as yet in our loose forward mix. I'm far from convinced by Ardie as captain - and player for that matter. LJ and Segner were far more effective hitting rucks, moving bodies and turning ball over...Ardie is planly in the twilight of his career, sure no-one doubts his commitment, but there are other more effective players and ball carriers.
Segner has been a revelation this season winning and contessting LOs, carrying strongly and turning over ball. I would like to see him at 7, LJ (If fit) at 6 and Lakai at 8..
I think Ardie hit close to 50 rucks against the French. It was a key part of the reason we got such quick ball.
He also made the most carries that game.
Even though he came off early against Italy he was top 4 for both carries and tackles.
To do that while clearly needing a rest and after an jnjury early in the game shows he's still a vital component of the team.
@pakman said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
If I were selecting my pack would be:
EDG/Taylor/Lomax/Darry/Vaa'i/LukeJ/Parker/RD
Bench: Numia/Aumua/Tosi/Patty T/Lakai
Parker would have to be the worst openside of all the loosies and not sure we're ready for Numia at hooker or Aumua at prop.
@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Dan54 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Landers92 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Dan54 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@voodoo said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Backline:
9 - Roigard
10 - Love
11 - Clarke
12 - Tupaea
13 - Proctor
14 - Jordan
15 - McKenzie
Looks good but I'd give Moorby another go - reward the performance, and put Clarke on notice that it's better to draw and pass than to clatter into ther last defender...
I'd prefer Moorby too given his performance last week and Clarke's been carrying a niggle. If Clarke is 100% though, I'd like a power winger back in the side - he's been good at looking for work around rucks previously.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Beauden start at fullback either. He'd be one of the last backs not to get any time on the field prior to them assembling for South Africa.
I can see BB getting a run at 15, we need to look at being able to change things a bit.
By change things, do you mean kick the ball away aimlessly?
I don't pretend to be expert enough to know what or how the coaching team is thinking.
Don't stress Dan, we have you covered on this
Thank god mate!!
