NC: All Blacks v Ireland

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Someone ban the bloke

Isn't the forum public?

I think there's largely a collective understanding that some information shared on the Fern is shared in confidence. The Myth page on FB has a large following and whoevers leaking information to that page is going against what @landers92 has asked.

Dick move in my view and I'm not suprised @landers92 is now reluctant to share that sort of information going forward.

Why? If the team isn't supposed to be leaked and whichever old mates on here are leaking it then that's on them isn't it?

There's no cone of silence in this place.

I don't say stuff from AB tours in the late 90s if I don't think it's for public knowledge.

Because it means we don’t get it on here if the idiot keeps leaking it to FB. So whoever is doing it is ruining it for the rest of us.

I don't care. The leaking was one of the issues with the last AB regime, I'm actually disappointed in Rennie for not stamping out.

I can hold out to the official team naming days.

Leaking has been going on for years. Players talk to families, family members talk. Staff talk as well.

@mariner4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

yeah "rucks attended" is the dumbest stat

The ref usually scores highly on that one.

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Someone ban the bloke

Isn't the forum public?

I think there's largely a collective understanding that some information shared on the Fern is shared in confidence. The Myth page on FB has a large following and whoevers leaking information to that page is going against what @landers92 has asked.

Dick move in my view and I'm not suprised @landers92 is now reluctant to share that sort of information going forward.

Why? If the team isn't supposed to be leaked and whichever old mates on here are leaking it then that's on them isn't it?

There's no cone of silence in this place.

I don't say stuff from AB tours in the late 90s if I don't think it's for public knowledge.

Because it means we don’t get it on here if the idiot keeps leaking it to FB. So whoever is doing it is ruining it for the rest of us.

I don't care. The leaking was one of the issues with the last AB regime, I'm actually disappointed in Rennie for not stamping out.

I can hold out to the official team naming days.

Leaking has been going on for years. Players talk to families, family members talk. Staff talk as well.

Are you really making a case that the leaking of the past few years has been on a similar par to other years, in most years it's journos guessing from training with a sometime decent and sometimes not strike rate?

I know your natural reaction is shields up for your mostly rednblack coaching team, and I don't fault you for that, but the previous lot leaked like a sieve that only had one gigantic hole.

@Nepia all I can say from my own experience is that during the Henry/Hansen years players talked before teams were named and stuff got out. And I’m not just talking about journos having a calculated guess.

Continued under Fozzie and Razor.

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia all I can say from my own experience is that during the Henry/Hansen years players talked before teams were named and stuff got out. And I’m not just talking about journos having a calculated guess.

Continued under Fozzie and Razor.

I don't remember them being discussed on here during that time, in fact I don't remember them being discussed until the Razor era, maybe it's only noticeable when we're not doing so well (although then I should remember the Fozzie era).

Either way, I think it's a bit precious of us as a group to get upset at our leaks being leaked.

One interesting note

Based on the above it sounds like no Preston - I wonder if its a case of not meeting markers or the plan was to give him a look vs Italy and that didnt happen as Ratima only got 5 mins vs France.

I question how important the leaking of a rugby team is given we find out well in advance of the game anyway.

Without leaks you can probably guess 80% anyway, and generally the 50/50 positions won’t be overly important in regards to the way a side plays - and if it is, teams have time to adjust anyway.

Way more relevant to a sport like football, where you change formation, style of play etc.

Whether it is Jordie or Tupaea, Love or B Barrett, Parker or Segner, I wouldn’t expect the overall gameplan to shift that much.

@KiwiMurph said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

One interesting note

Based on the above it sounds like no Preston - I wonder if its a case of not meeting markers or the plan was to give him a look vs Italy and that didnt happen as Ratima only got 5 mins vs France.

Rennie really isn’t a fan of our available halfback cattle. I know there were very short discussions about wanting to get a kiwi that’s currently overseas back into the squad somehow if it were possible. Was shut down very quickly obviously.

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia all I can say from my own experience is that during the Henry/Hansen years players talked before teams were named and stuff got out. And I’m not just talking about journos having a calculated guess.

Continued under Fozzie and Razor.

I don't remember them being discussed on here during that time, in fact I don't remember them being discussed until the Razor era, maybe it's only noticeable when we're not doing so well (although then I should remember the Fozzie era).

Either way, I think it's a bit precious of us as a group to get upset at our leaks being leaked.

Yeah I’m not sure of the issue when someone posts something on a public forum, it’s free game for people to use at will.

A funny story from a few years ago. I posted one of my top quality Crusader AB lineups on the Fern and then it was posted on two other forums as if that was the official team.

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia all I can say from my own experience is that during the Henry/Hansen years players talked before teams were named and stuff got out. And I’m not just talking about journos having a calculated guess.

Continued under Fozzie and Razor.

I don't remember them being discussed on here during that time, in fact I don't remember them being discussed until the Razor era, maybe it's only noticeable when we're not doing so well (although then I should remember the Fozzie era).

Either way, I think it's a bit precious of us as a group to get upset at our leaks being leaked.

Yeah I’m not sure of the issue when someone posts something on a public forum, it’s free game for people to use at will.

A funny story from a few years ago. I posted one of my top quality Crusader AB lineups on the Fern and then it was posted on two other forums as if that was the official team.

@KiwiMurph said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

One interesting note

Based on the above it sounds like no Preston - I wonder if its a case of not meeting markers or the plan was to give him a look vs Italy and that didnt happen as Ratima only got 5 mins vs France.

Preston hasn't exactly looked in tip top shape eh, doesn't seem nearly as dynamic as last year.

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia all I can say from my own experience is that during the Henry/Hansen years players talked before teams were named and stuff got out. And I’m not just talking about journos having a calculated guess.

Continued under Fozzie and Razor.

Either way, I think it's a bit precious of us as a group to get upset at our leaks being leaked.

It's not that the info isn't for public individual consumption on here, it's someone taking it and passing it off as their own, and mass distributing it while probably trying to make money off their platform.
That shit is well and truly against pub rules.

@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia all I can say from my own experience is that during the Henry/Hansen years players talked before teams were named and stuff got out. And I’m not just talking about journos having a calculated guess.

Continued under Fozzie and Razor.

Either way, I think it's a bit precious of us as a group to get upset at our leaks being leaked.

It's not that the info isn't for public individual consumption on here, it's someone taking it and passing it off as their own, and mass distributing it while probably trying to make money off their platform.
That shit is well and truly against pub rules.

Public is public. The only way to stop it is to not post.

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia all I can say from my own experience is that during the Henry/Hansen years players talked before teams were named and stuff got out. And I’m not just talking about journos having a calculated guess.

Continued under Fozzie and Razor.

Either way, I think it's a bit precious of us as a group to get upset at our leaks being leaked.

It's not that the info isn't for public individual consumption on here, it's someone taking it and passing it off as their own, and mass distributing it while probably trying to make money off their platform.
That shit is well and truly against pub rules.

Public is public. The only way to stop it is to not post.

Well, there's also shame (and a couple of other things) which stop people doing dickhead things they can but shouldn't.

Circa 2010-2015 it was more a.surprise if we didn't know who was starting, people here lamented about it.being boring and predictable.

TBH i am surprised there aren't more leaks, especially when debuts are involved.

Players must be told Monday/Tuesday to start training, combos etc, the fact what we get leaked is all we get is more of a surprise.

@george33 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Segner to start , Jacobson, Ardie. , Lakai bench. That sounds good.

Segner and Jacobson? That could work. I'd also like to see Lakai at 8 and Ardie off bench. Probably won't happen though...

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

If we can keep Fehi he’ll be in the mix as well. Just need to get him on the field this year.

He seems Fehi keen.

@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia all I can say from my own experience is that during the Henry/Hansen years players talked before teams were named and stuff got out. And I’m not just talking about journos having a calculated guess.

Continued under Fozzie and Razor.

Either way, I think it's a bit precious of us as a group to get upset at our leaks being leaked.

It's not that the info isn't for public individual consumption on here, it's someone taking it and passing it off as their own, and mass distributing it while probably trying to make money off their platform.
That shit is well and truly against pub rules.

Passing intel on for profit and passing it as your own is not cool

well

no need to be precious
the big deal here is more about gambling/betting

lets not forget brandon smith got charged by police for giving his buddies some inside intel about team line-ups
doesn't seem to be much of an issue in rugby union . . . yet
but probably will be in the future

a lot of the big sports leagues have direct links with odds-making outfits now, so they dont want to be upsetting those guys

the team naming process is likely to get tightened up and regulated, for that reason

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Canes4life I could swear you're related to Bonesetta with responses to questions that are not even close to an on topic answer.

Pretty hard to ban someone on a public forum is the point.

Might be easier to find them...

On the plus side, a "leak" that BB is playing 13 would be fun

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

@chimoaus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Is there really any advantage in naming the team late Thursday? I mean SA name theirs on what Tuesday?

And change it on Thursday

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Someone ban the bloke

Isn't the forum public?

I think there's largely a collective understanding that some information shared on the Fern is shared in confidence. The Myth page on FB has a large following and whoevers leaking information to that page is going against what @landers92 has asked.

Dick move in my view and I'm not suprised @landers92 is now reluctant to share that sort of information going forward.

Myth has a large following specifically because of the information he reposts from here, he's a opportunistic twat.

@Landers92 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@KiwiMurph said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

One interesting note

Based on the above it sounds like no Preston - I wonder if its a case of not meeting markers or the plan was to give him a look vs Italy and that didnt happen as Ratima only got 5 mins vs France.

Rennie really isn’t a fan of our available halfback cattle. I know there were very short discussions about wanting to get a kiwi that’s currently overseas back into the squad somehow if it were possible. Was shut down very quickly obviously.

Having Aaron Smith back and playing 20 odd mins of test footy off the bench every week would be the ideal solution to this problem - then again, his lack of any running game might be an issue for some...

@Landers92 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@KiwiMurph said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

One interesting note

Based on the above it sounds like no Preston - I wonder if its a case of not meeting markers or the plan was to give him a look vs Italy and that didnt happen as Ratima only got 5 mins vs France.

Rennie really isn’t a fan of our available halfback cattle. I know there were very short discussions about wanting to get a kiwi that’s currently overseas back into the squad somehow if it were possible. Was shut down very quickly obviously.

Interesting. Can't say I disagree with him.

@WoodysRFC said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Myth has a large following specifically because of the information he reposts from here, he's a opportunistic twat.

Just wait until Tony Woodcock sues him for identity fraud...

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

There is nothing wrong with that either, but also given his age, it is hard to see him being of use past 2027.

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago

You lost me right here.

Don't agree with the assessments on Moorby.
Low error rate, excellent option taker, good under the high ball, links well, can play fullback and wing.
Ideal for test footy.

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

There is nothing wrong with that either, but also given his age, it is hard to see him being of use past 2027.

Moorby showed in his debut that he has potential to be explosive, something I can't recall Bridge being

Wouldn't mind seeing Moorby tried at 15 at some point.

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

There is nothing wrong with that either, but also given his age, it is hard to see him being of use past 2027.

4 days over 28 years old? Send him to the knackers yard!

@canefan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Moorby showed in his debut that he has potential to be explosive, something I can't recall Bridge being

To. be fair to George most people would avoid an explosive Bridge.

@canefan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

There is nothing wrong with that either, but also given his age, it is hard to see him being of use past 2027.

Moorby showed in his debut that he has potential to be explosive, something I can't recall Bridge being

You don't remember Bridge's early games for the ABs?

@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly

@jimmyb said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly

If Moorby could have half as long a fine career as Ben Smith did I'd be very satisfied!

@Frank said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Don't agree with the assessments on Moorby.
Low error rate, excellent option taker, good under the high ball, links well, can play fullback and wing.
Ideal for test footy.

Yep, just like Kahui (except the fullback part).

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Whether it is Jordie or Tupaea, Love or B Barrett, Parker or Segner, I wouldn’t expect the overall gameplan to shift that much.

I respectfully disagree on this point. I think the game plan would change a lot

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

Hard disagree.

Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.

For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.

@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

Hard disagree.

Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.

For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.

There's a great team try highlight that pops up on the All Blacks' social media every now and then. It features everything you want to see: flowing rugby, offloads, accurate passing, players running into space and plenty of involvement from across the team. Except when the ball reaches Bridge, who stops in his tracks and goes to ground almost before the defender even touches him.