NC: All Blacks v Ireland

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia all I can say from my own experience is that during the Henry/Hansen years players talked before teams were named and stuff got out. And I’m not just talking about journos having a calculated guess.

Continued under Fozzie and Razor.

Either way, I think it's a bit precious of us as a group to get upset at our leaks being leaked.

It's not that the info isn't for public individual consumption on here, it's someone taking it and passing it off as their own, and mass distributing it while probably trying to make money off their platform.
That shit is well and truly against pub rules.

Public is public. The only way to stop it is to not post.

Well, there's also shame (and a couple of other things) which stop people doing dickhead things they can but shouldn't.

Circa 2010-2015 it was more a.surprise if we didn't know who was starting, people here lamented about it.being boring and predictable.

TBH i am surprised there aren't more leaks, especially when debuts are involved.

Players must be told Monday/Tuesday to start training, combos etc, the fact what we get leaked is all we get is more of a surprise.

@george33 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Segner to start , Jacobson, Ardie. , Lakai bench. That sounds good.

Segner and Jacobson? That could work. I'd also like to see Lakai at 8 and Ardie off bench. Probably won't happen though...

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

If we can keep Fehi he’ll be in the mix as well. Just need to get him on the field this year.

He seems Fehi keen.

@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Nepia all I can say from my own experience is that during the Henry/Hansen years players talked before teams were named and stuff got out. And I’m not just talking about journos having a calculated guess.

Continued under Fozzie and Razor.

Either way, I think it's a bit precious of us as a group to get upset at our leaks being leaked.

It's not that the info isn't for public individual consumption on here, it's someone taking it and passing it off as their own, and mass distributing it while probably trying to make money off their platform.
That shit is well and truly against pub rules.

Passing intel on for profit and passing it as your own is not cool

well

no need to be precious
the big deal here is more about gambling/betting

lets not forget brandon smith got charged by police for giving his buddies some inside intel about team line-ups
doesn't seem to be much of an issue in rugby union . . . yet
but probably will be in the future

a lot of the big sports leagues have direct links with odds-making outfits now, so they dont want to be upsetting those guys

the team naming process is likely to get tightened up and regulated, for that reason

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Canes4life I could swear you're related to Bonesetta with responses to questions that are not even close to an on topic answer.

Pretty hard to ban someone on a public forum is the point.

Might be easier to find them...

On the plus side, a "leak" that BB is playing 13 would be fun

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

@chimoaus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Is there really any advantage in naming the team late Thursday? I mean SA name theirs on what Tuesday?

And change it on Thursday

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Canes4life said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Someone ban the bloke

Isn't the forum public?

I think there's largely a collective understanding that some information shared on the Fern is shared in confidence. The Myth page on FB has a large following and whoevers leaking information to that page is going against what @landers92 has asked.

Dick move in my view and I'm not suprised @landers92 is now reluctant to share that sort of information going forward.

Myth has a large following specifically because of the information he reposts from here, he's a opportunistic twat.

@Landers92 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@KiwiMurph said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

One interesting note

Based on the above it sounds like no Preston - I wonder if its a case of not meeting markers or the plan was to give him a look vs Italy and that didnt happen as Ratima only got 5 mins vs France.

Rennie really isn’t a fan of our available halfback cattle. I know there were very short discussions about wanting to get a kiwi that’s currently overseas back into the squad somehow if it were possible. Was shut down very quickly obviously.

Having Aaron Smith back and playing 20 odd mins of test footy off the bench every week would be the ideal solution to this problem - then again, his lack of any running game might be an issue for some...

@Landers92 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@KiwiMurph said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

One interesting note

Based on the above it sounds like no Preston - I wonder if its a case of not meeting markers or the plan was to give him a look vs Italy and that didnt happen as Ratima only got 5 mins vs France.

Rennie really isn’t a fan of our available halfback cattle. I know there were very short discussions about wanting to get a kiwi that’s currently overseas back into the squad somehow if it were possible. Was shut down very quickly obviously.

Interesting. Can't say I disagree with him.

@WoodysRFC said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Myth has a large following specifically because of the information he reposts from here, he's a opportunistic twat.

Just wait until Tony Woodcock sues him for identity fraud...

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

There is nothing wrong with that either, but also given his age, it is hard to see him being of use past 2027.

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago

You lost me right here.

Don't agree with the assessments on Moorby.
Low error rate, excellent option taker, good under the high ball, links well, can play fullback and wing.
Ideal for test footy.

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

There is nothing wrong with that either, but also given his age, it is hard to see him being of use past 2027.

Moorby showed in his debut that he has potential to be explosive, something I can't recall Bridge being

Wouldn't mind seeing Moorby tried at 15 at some point.

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

There is nothing wrong with that either, but also given his age, it is hard to see him being of use past 2027.

4 days over 28 years old? Send him to the knackers yard!

@canefan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Moorby showed in his debut that he has potential to be explosive, something I can't recall Bridge being

To. be fair to George most people would avoid an explosive Bridge.

@canefan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

There is nothing wrong with that either, but also given his age, it is hard to see him being of use past 2027.

Moorby showed in his debut that he has potential to be explosive, something I can't recall Bridge being

You don't remember Bridge's early games for the ABs?

@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly

@jimmyb said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly

If Moorby could have half as long a fine career as Ben Smith did I'd be very satisfied!

@Frank said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Don't agree with the assessments on Moorby.
Low error rate, excellent option taker, good under the high ball, links well, can play fullback and wing.
Ideal for test footy.

Yep, just like Kahui (except the fullback part).

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Whether it is Jordie or Tupaea, Love or B Barrett, Parker or Segner, I wouldn’t expect the overall gameplan to shift that much.

I respectfully disagree on this point. I think the game plan would change a lot

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

Hard disagree.

Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.

For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.

@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

Hard disagree.

Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.

For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.

There's a great team try highlight that pops up on the All Blacks' social media every now and then. It features everything you want to see: flowing rugby, offloads, accurate passing, players running into space and plenty of involvement from across the team. Except when the ball reaches Bridge, who stops in his tracks and goes to ground almost before the defender even touches him.

@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

Hard disagree.

Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.

For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.

You could be talking about Doug Howlett.

@canefan just an opinion.I've been hearing since the French test that Vaai would play 6. If he does start 6 what's happening to Parker will he even make the African tour .

@mr-fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

Hard disagree.

Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.

For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.

You could be talking about Doug Howlett.

Rubbish. Howlett could beat and a man and scored trys against more teams than Japan.

@george33 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan just an opinion.I've been hearing since the French test that Vaai would play 6. If he does start 6 what's happening to Parker will he even make the African tour .

I see 3 options.

• Others outshine him at training/on the field.
• He isn't fit enough.
• He is carrying a niggle.

I suspect it isn't the first as we still don't see someone clearly holding in to that 6 position.

@jimmyb said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly

Smith debuted at 23.

Irish team named.

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@jimmyb said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly

If Moorby could have half as long a fine career as Ben Smith did I'd be very satisfied!

To have half as long a career he'd still be playing in our outside backs at 33, which would be pretty unusual...

@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@jimmyb said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly

If Moorby could have half as long a fine career as Ben Smith did I'd be very satisfied!

To have half as long a career he'd still be playing in our outside backs at 33, which would be pretty unusual...

Much like Ben Smith then.

@Kirwan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@mr-fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

Hard disagree.

Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.

For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.

You could be talking about Doug Howlett.

Rubbish. Howlett could beat and a man and scored trys against more teams than Japan.

Like Bridge's tries against Australia, South Africa and Ireland, you mean?

Howlett had great speed but go back and watch his try-scoring highlights - there are only half a dozen or so amongst them that someone like Bridge couldn't also finish.

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@jimmyb said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly

If Moorby could have half as long a fine career as Ben Smith did I'd be very satisfied!

To have half as long a career he'd still be playing in our outside backs at 33, which would be pretty unusual...

Much like Ben Smith then.

Yes, it would be. Care for a friendly wager?

15 - Hugo Keenan (UCD/Leinster)(47)
14 - Robert Baloucoune (Enniskillen/Ulster)(8)
13 - Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster)(75)
12 - Stuart McCloskey (Bangor/Ulster)(30)
11 - Jimmy O’Brien (Naas/Leinster)(13)
10 - Sam Prendergast (Lansdowne/Leinster)(16)
9 - Jamison Gibson-Park (Leinster)(52)

1 - Tom O’Toole (Ballynahinch/Ulster)(23)
2 - Dan Sheehan (Lansdowne/Leinster)(40)(captain)
3 - Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster)(87)
4 - Joe McCarthy (Dublin University/Leinster)(25)
5 - James Ryan (UCD/Leinster)(82)
6 - Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Munster)(72)
7 - Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster)(80)
8 - Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster)(61)

Replacements

16 - Ronan Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster)(50)
17 - Jeremy Loughman (Garryowen/Munster)(9)
18 - Thomas Clarkson (Blackrock College/Leinster)(15)
19 - Nick Timoney (Queen’s University/Ulster)(13)
20 - Sean Jansen (Connacht)(1)
21 - Craig Casey (Shannon/Munster)(29)
22 - Ciaran Frawley (UCD/Leinster)(14)
23 - Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht)(71)

11 Leinster players in the starting lineup and a few on the bench.

Apart from JGP, I think our backline is much better. Our front row too.
Loosies remain our issue.