@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@jimmyb said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly
If Moorby could have half as long a fine career as Ben Smith did I'd be very satisfied!
To have half as long a career he'd still be playing in our outside backs at 33, which would be pretty unusual...
@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@jimmyb said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly
If Moorby could have half as long a fine career as Ben Smith did I'd be very satisfied!
To have half as long a career he'd still be playing in our outside backs at 33, which would be pretty unusual...
Much like Ben Smith then.
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@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.
But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore
why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.
Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.
Hard disagree.
Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.
For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.
You could be talking about Doug Howlett.
Rubbish. Howlett could beat and a man and scored trys against more teams than Japan.
Like Bridge's tries against Australia, South Africa and Ireland, you mean?
Howlett had great speed but go back and watch his try-scoring highlights - there are only half a dozen or so amongst them that someone like Bridge couldn't also finish.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@jimmyb said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly
If Moorby could have half as long a fine career as Ben Smith did I'd be very satisfied!
To have half as long a career he'd still be playing in our outside backs at 33, which would be pretty unusual...
Much like Ben Smith then.
Yes, it would be. Care for a friendly wager?
15 - Hugo Keenan (UCD/Leinster)(47)
14 - Robert Baloucoune (Enniskillen/Ulster)(8)
13 - Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster)(75)
12 - Stuart McCloskey (Bangor/Ulster)(30)
11 - Jimmy O’Brien (Naas/Leinster)(13)
10 - Sam Prendergast (Lansdowne/Leinster)(16)
9 - Jamison Gibson-Park (Leinster)(52)
1 - Tom O’Toole (Ballynahinch/Ulster)(23)
2 - Dan Sheehan (Lansdowne/Leinster)(40)(captain)
3 - Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster)(87)
4 - Joe McCarthy (Dublin University/Leinster)(25)
5 - James Ryan (UCD/Leinster)(82)
6 - Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Munster)(72)
7 - Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster)(80)
8 - Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster)(61)
Replacements
16 - Ronan Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster)(50)
17 - Jeremy Loughman (Garryowen/Munster)(9)
18 - Thomas Clarkson (Blackrock College/Leinster)(15)
19 - Nick Timoney (Queen’s University/Ulster)(13)
20 - Sean Jansen (Connacht)(1)
21 - Craig Casey (Shannon/Munster)(29)
22 - Ciaran Frawley (UCD/Leinster)(14)
23 - Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht)(71)
@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@jimmyb said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus only a year younger than Ben Smith in 2013. That worked out terribly
If Moorby could have half as long a fine career as Ben Smith did I'd be very satisfied!
To have half as long a career he'd still be playing in our outside backs at 33, which would be pretty unusual...
Much like Ben Smith then.
Yes, it would be. Care for a friendly wager?
No, thanks. I don't see Moorby making it past the World Cup next year either.
@pakman said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Irish team named.
And it’s still Wednesday over there.
Innovation.
@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.
But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore
why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.
Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.
Hard disagree.
Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.
For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.
Bridge possibly not the best example, but what I am really trying to say is Josh Moorby has been nothing more than a good Super Rugby player across his career, and then at 27, as a winger, he all of a sudden becomes this good?
It isn't meant as a critique, but the chances of this being anything other than a massive purple patch feel really low to me - and there isn't anything wrong with that. I'd far rather them play the hot hand and win now, then opt for someone like Clarke, who at the moment seems to have very little threat with ball in hand, or a project player (say a Hutchinson).
@reprobate said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Apart from JGP, I think our backline is much better.
Stuart McCloskey is class though.
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.
But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore
why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.
Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.
Hard disagree.
Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.
For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.
Bridge possibly not the best example, but what I am really trying to say is Josh Moorby has been nothing more than a good Super Rugby player across his career, and then at 27, as a winger, he all of a sudden becomes this good?
It isn't meant as a critique, but the chances of this being anything other than a massive purple patch feel really low to me - and there isn't anything wrong with that. I'd far rather them play the hot hand and win now, then opt for someone like Clarke, who at the moment seems to have very little threat with ball in hand, or a project player (say a Hutchinson).
Some guys develop late. Who knows if his french adventure helped in any tangible way or not. He strikes me as having the potential for a Cory Jane style career, as opposed to a NMS career or even someone who depends on outright gas. If we look back after 2028 and he's given us a couple of excellent years of service I would be very pleased for us and for him
@ACT-Crusader crazy to see a guy that couldn’t even get into the Otago NPC team and was middling around for Green Ireland now start for Ireland against the ABs. Good on him
@The-Irishman said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Easy win for the AB's.
We will play an aging rake, don’t have any world class locks, can’t even decide who our best 6, 7 or 8 are, have a rookie 10, a revolving door at centre and left wing. Add to that a new game plan that barely got us over the line against a France D side. Plus the daunting unbeaten record since forever at Eden Park. Take all that into account and add that Ireland have NZs greatest ever non-AB halfback.
Ireland by 10
@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@The-Irishman said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Easy win for the AB's.
We will play an aging rake, don’t have any world class locks, can’t even decide who our best 6, 7 or 8 are, have a rookie 10, a revolving door at centre and left wing. Add to that a new game plan that barely got us over the line against a France D side. Plus the daunting unbeaten record since forever at Eden Park. Take all that into account and add that Ireland have NZs greatest ever non-AB halfback.
Ireland by 10
Add that we can't defend up the middle or our wide, have a captain selected mostly for "the feels", and have a geriatric on the bench
Ireland by 18
@Mr-Fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Kirwan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@mr-fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.
But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore
why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.
Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.
Hard disagree.
Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.
For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.
You could be talking about Doug Howlett.
Rubbish. Howlett could beat and a man and scored trys against more teams than Japan.
Like Bridge's tries against Australia, South Africa and Ireland, you mean?
Howlett had great speed but go back and watch his try-scoring highlights - there are only half a dozen or so amongst them that someone like Bridge couldn't also finish.
Lol what are you talking about, I have never seen Bridge skin players on the outside the way Howlett used too. His pace was a weapon, Bridge didn't have a single weapon in his arsenal on attack, he was nothing more than a solid Super player.
@No-Quarter said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Mr-Fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Kirwan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@mr-fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.
But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore
why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.
Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.
Hard disagree.
Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.
For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.
You could be talking about Doug Howlett.
Rubbish. Howlett could beat and a man and scored trys against more teams than Japan.
Like Bridge's tries against Australia, South Africa and Ireland, you mean?
Howlett had great speed but go back and watch his try-scoring highlights - there are only half a dozen or so amongst them that someone like Bridge couldn't also finish.
Lol what are you talking about, I have never seen Bridge skin players on the outside the way Howlett used too. His pace was a weapon, Bridge didn't have a single weapon in his arsenal on attack, he was nothing more than a solid Super player.
Lots of players benefit from being in great teams. He was one of them
@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@The-Irishman said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Easy win for the AB's.
We will play an aging rake, don’t have any world class locks, can’t even decide who our best 6, 7 or 8 are, have a rookie 10, a revolving door at centre and left wing. Add to that a new game plan that barely got us over the line against a France D side. Plus the daunting unbeaten record since forever at Eden Park. Take all that into account and add that Ireland have NZs greatest ever non-AB halfback.
Ireland by 10
Add in a fullback prone to choking
A right-wing who should be fullback
Severe drop off to back up 9
Too many Crusaders
...
@No-Quarter said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Mr-Fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Kirwan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@mr-fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.
But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore
why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.
Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.
Hard disagree.
Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.
For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.
You could be talking about Doug Howlett.
Rubbish. Howlett could beat and a man and scored trys against more teams than Japan.
Like Bridge's tries against Australia, South Africa and Ireland, you mean?
Howlett had great speed but go back and watch his try-scoring highlights - there are only half a dozen or so amongst them that someone like Bridge couldn't also finish.
Lol what are you talking about, I have never seen Bridge skin players on the outside the way Howlett used too. His pace was a weapon, Bridge didn't have a single weapon in his arsenal on attack, he was nothing more than a solid Super player.
That doesn't really counter what I said though?
While we wait on the team, any sppeculation on whether we will look too change our gameplan at all? Will we continue to look for quick ball and show patience in retention for multiple phases? Or will we look to play territory more, kick more (whether high balls or for corners)? One aspect that I thought was disappointing across both the first 2 tests was our mauling - we didn't seem to make a lot of ground in either game. With Ireland having arguably a better pack than both Italy and France F, it is hard to see that improving this week?
@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@voodoo i don’t know about all that but I can almost guarantee that it will be a game of two halves with lots of credit to the boys.
no mums in the kitchen putting on a feed afterwards?
All Blacks: 1. Ethan de Groot, 2. Codie Taylor, 3. Tyrel Lomax, 4. Josh Lord, 5. Patrick Tuipulotu, 6. Tupou Vaa'i, 7. Luke Jacobson, 8. Ardie Savea (c), 9. Cam Roigard, 10. Ruben Love, 11. Josh Moorby, 12. Jordie Barrett, 13. Quinn Tupaea, 14. Will Jordan, 15. Damian McKenzie.
Bench: 16. Asafo Aumua, 17. Xavier Numia, 18. Fletcher Newell, 19. Anton Segner, 20. Peter Lakai, 21. Cortez Ratima, 22. Anton Lienert-Brown, 23. Caleb Clarke.
Unavailable: Fehi Fineanganofo (shoulder), Leroy Carter (shoulder)
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@Frank said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Landers mate.
Where's the team?I had it locked and ready to go but the Jordie injury has thrown a spanner in the works.
I’ll post what it was going to be anyway, I’m sure it will spark some discussion.
- Roigard
- Love
- Moorby
- J. Barrett
- Tupaea
- Jordan
- Dmac
Bench
21. Ratima
22. ALB
23. ClarkeAll subject to change now due to the JB injury obviously.
On the money. JB still one to watch with a game time decision
A couple of surprises but a decent sized team to secure ruck ball and provide a platform for the backs.
Only thing I’m slightly nervous about is we could easily snooker ourselves with that bench.
I am assume the plan will be for Tuipulotu to go off for Lakai (Vaa’i to lock) and Segner for Jacobson.
If an injury comes at the wrong time, we could be left with Segner at lock…
@akan004 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
Would have preferred Tosi over Newell and what's this obsession with Taylor?
Ryan obviously has plenty of say in the front row selections. I hope we see changes by the end of the SA tour.
All this talk about playing up tempo rugby and then we pick a forward pack full of cart horses.
Then we go and select Newell as an impact prop over Tosi who is our best in that role.
You also have the under done Tuipolotu coming in for our form lock.
Just another year of head scratching selections in all honesty.
Would have liked to see someone else given a start at hooker. Taylor was not as good in Wellington as in Christchurch and he is not a spring chicken.
I get why they have selected him but that cap might have been better given to Samisoni with Aumua off the bench.
Vai'i picked at 6 to challenge the Irish lineout....?
Feel like I have heard that somewhere before...
@taniwharugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@akan004 guess they are managing Darry's workload? But he has been arguably our best player in both tests.
If that's the case they should have rested him against Italy. Not a fan of that decision.
@akan004 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@taniwharugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:
@akan004 guess they are managing Darry's workload? But he has been arguably our best player in both tests.
If that's the case they should have rested him against Italy. Not a fan of that decision.
at first i agree but also like the idea of two games back to back rather than in and out
Other concern is Ratima and ALB - not sure a backline is scoring much with both on in the latter stages of a match.
I don't think leaving out Darry is as big an issue as being made out. All our locks are of a decent standard, which isn't to say Darry hasn't performed best so far, but I remember even during the team naming some posters not being on board with him.
I think lock is the one position in the current ABs I don't mind us mixing up so much.
Not a huge fan of Vai'i at 6 though but maybe Rennie can make it work.
